Recommending The thread for the NOT recommended games

[yossa999]

story : The sea our friend

Not yet, but she will be in U4IA.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

Again, your thread is NOT about not recommending games but a place to rant.

It's not, I already explained it, in full detail, in my first message.

Or it could be from the fact that your first post about a game focuses solely on writing and story. You mention nothing about
game mechanics
sound
graphic
gameplay
difficulty
bugs

I did it in the following messages in that thread.

But what is there to say? It's shit through and through, the only thing I could say is how shitty everything is. Technically, it's really below subpar on all accounts, I could find many demo games by authors which are just starting to develop which are better than this piece of work.

could it be that you made this thread because you know the review section doesn't allow your style of game bashing?

No, my style of "game bashing" is fully compatible with both the review system and this thread.

" written by a 12 years old boy with 0 experience about real, actual 18 to 50 women. "
" The other women are taken out of a 12 years old boy fantasy, very shocking for a man which had sons, you can presume he had to deal with at least a woman. "

You and I clearly have VERY different ideas of what "positive vibes" means

Yes, clearly. I think I'm being positive because I'm trying for this thread to be useful, while you are just spilling negative vibes all around.

No it's an observation, with you mixing up "serious story" and "realistic story", with you complaining about no harems in a game that never hinted, tagged or promised one etc. etc. etc.

I'm not complaining about the lack of harems, I'm complaining about the fact that it was the poorest written harem in the history of harem stories. The moment the game starts, women throw themselves at your mercy, right into your harem and said harem is the main plot of the game, other than the BPD being a drama queen.

75% is made up, without having finished the game you have no actual way of calculating how much was left and so no way to calculate how much you played.

No, with linear renpy games, there are many ways to know how much content you are missing still.

This is a flawed point, unless the meal is brought out piece by piece over months and the chef slowly tries to improve the next portion coming out.... trying to compare a complete meal served all at once with a incomplete game that releases updates months apart and the dev has time to get feed back, add things, fix bugs etc. makes no sense.

This is the reason I kept playing the game, despite the early game being dog's shit. I was expecting the game to either suddenly or progressively improve, but it never happened, the game remains dog's shit for said 75% of the game and I'm pretty sure it keeps being dog's shit for the whole 100%, with a massively underwhelming ending which boils down to "romance the BPD, or else her death will be on you".

So you have read many stories written by 12 year olds? clearly you would have to in order to compare and then make the analogy.

Yes, I did, weren't you to a school with other 12 years old when you were 12 years old? Maybe you were homeschooled and you missed the experience.

Also you clearly made another mistake here, what makes you think a adult porn game HAS to take knowledge from "the real adult world" even if a porn game or story takes inspiration from the real world it's also meant to make fantasies come true.

It's not about the game being fantastic, it's about how the game is ludicrously fantastic while pretending not to be. That's the offending aspect.

Lastly, where in the tags, the overview or in the game itself does the game say, offer or imply it is meant to be a realistic, true to the real world representation?

Because it portrays:

• A world which is obviously copied from present day reality, with real cities, locations, societies, social norms, technology etc... while having nothing from straight fantasy
• The main character is the male Mary Sue, something like a SEWAGE CLEANER
• The women are taken from present day reality: a school friend, a rockstar, a lesbian couple, a BPD...
• Mature themes like mental disorders, depression and suiciding

It's reason enough for the unreal parts to be beyond infuriating.

As you keep bringing it up, again I ask:
So you have read many stories written by 12 year olds? clearly you would have to in order to compare and then make the analogy.

Yes, except for the home schooled and the none schooled, at the very least everyone had to read many stories written by other 12 years old classmates.

I clearly remember how they thought at that age, both written and spoken, and I'm shocked it's shocking for you, except if you were home schooled or never went to a school.

Except you CLAIM you are writing this for the benefit of others by pointing out the flaws and this is a flaw specific to you. So it would have no influence on anyone but you.

It's not a flaw specific to me, many other people might find it as wrong as I do, like the ones which agreed with me in the other thread.

Also personal experiences of these types of cases differ, you ignore that and the fact that the dev might be using writing techniques to illicit responses from the player. By calling it a flaw you are saying only your experience is right and what the dev tried to do is wrong.

What the dev tried to do is wrong on many levels, regardless of my opinion about anything.

You couldn't care less? well your point 4 seems to contradict that statement....

" 4º I couldn't put up with the game for long, but from what I know from my gameplay experience and what I read from others, you get a hentai harem in place just to be required to end up with only one. And the story is presented, as hard as it could, for you to end up with the BPD. Really? The game sets up a hentai harem for you just to be REQUIRED to choose only one? I get it had to be the BPD because it's the author own daughter, but then why setting up the harem story. "

That is one long winded "I couldn't care less", also if you couldn't care less then why list it as a flaw?

I'm outraged by his 12 years old kind of take on how an adult harem is, and how it doesn't belong in this story.

The harem should be toned down or removed altogether, because it's poorly written, forced down your throat and doesn't belong with the rest of the story, specially with the "romance me or else" female BPD.

except in porn games.... because it's... you know... a GAME

There are MANY GAMES which are orders of magnitude better than this shit, and they don't enjoy as much popularity (which they DO deserve).

As I said, if this game had 4 reviews and 100 downloads, I wouldn't find it offensive, because it's on par with those very same games, and not with the actual AVN reference games.

Ok let's for argument sake say that is even remotely true, YOU who is soooo fixated on realism and the real world, YOU are saying that because you know "Not by the dozen" but "enough" that you know what ALL of them are like, what ALL of them think, what ALL of them feel, how ALL of them act, ALL the time.....

Yes, exactly like that, intelligent people can extrapolate.

Would you need to fuck every prostitute in the world to realise they are usually not virgins?

So where is your proof that the dev was basing the spy in reality or realistic spies.
Where is your proof that the dev was not maybe just inspired in part or whole by them?

Because of the adult themes and the portrayed present day reality, as I said in this message.

and can you even tell the difference between based on and inspired by? and can you show us were the dev states what he was doing / thinking when he made the spy?

I don't know or care what he was thinking about, I just know for a fact that it's an unreal depiction of an actual female spy, because absolutely no career female spy is like that. I mean "career spy" as in, not coerced into being a spy, but being a full time, professional, voluntary spy.

Strange? because here I thought we were talking about a porn game in a fantasy world and NOT real life.
Seems like you are mixing up fantasy and reality again...

I know the difference between fantasy and reality, hence why I find this game as offensive and wrong as I do.

You mean, what you think is shitty about the part of the game you played and gave a detailed explanation based on criteria, assumptions and expectations few if any others would have AND because YOU thought that part was useful, you could just add stuff to bash the game more?

You don't need much to bash this game, just not being a 12 years old boy, either physically or mentally.

Using your example, it doesn't mean the room was a bad movie, the camera doesn't shake all the time, the sound doesn't drop in and out, you don't see the boom drop into shot from time to time, the background music isn't so loud you can't hear the dialog but sure you ignore ALL that because it doesn't fit your taste and call it bad.... at least you didn't make up stuff to bash it.

So, for you, The Room is a good movie............ an actual good movie, not with irony or a taste for the abhorrent. Is that what you just said?

Well your thread has been up for little over 2 days, had 549 views as of me writing this, you've managed to spill hate on one game and it doesn't seem like anyone is finding that one "unrecommended game post" helpful....

Why are you all haters so obsessed with the popularity of this thread? Like you rejoice in this thread not being popular, and then blaming me because you perceive me as negative lol

"the game was allegedly a tribute to the author's SUICIDED DAUGHTER" Was it advertised as such? or did you read that somewhere and start making assumptions?

It was pretty much common knowledge when it was released in GOG, and there are no reasons for it being fake news.

and yet.... in season 1 she was already disobeying orders based on her feelings....

Because it's both a comedy and a tv show whose target are ingenuous nerds, not hardened killers and spies, which could immediately know her character isn't like a real life spy.

and yet... he wasn't even a spy or a woman...

He was a spy, the killer type of spy. His main role was to infiltrate behind enemy lines and then kill his targets, so a killer spy, using spy tricks, with a spy personality.

The female spy does exactly what you say they can't / won't /don't

She did exactly what I said they can/will/do right until the ending, which had to be happy because it's a comey.

The male agent isn't a spy, is not a woman and does things you say spies don't / won't / can't

The male spy is a spy (the killer subtype), acts like a spy, talks like a spy, behaves like a spy, thinks like a spy, walks like a spy and only later he became more humanized but just as a series trope.

This is one more reason to call your interpretation of things into question, while reacher (movie) does use spy-like acquaintances to surveille, collect information etc. He is nothing like a spy or spy-like and most of his actions or the actions he takes are no where near being considered spy-like or even covert.

Of course he and his actions are spy-like. His training is that of a spy, to act alone against much more numerous opponents, to manipulate strangers into doing what he needs, to blend with crowds etc... a regular officer doesn't need all of that, because regular officers don't operate in the shadows and don't need to manipulate strangers because he and his superiors and subordinates belong to the same chain of command.

BUT did the game ever claim to be trying to portray anyone realistically? or was that something you assumed from reading other members posts?

You keep bring up real world / realistic but have yet to provide anything to show that it is what the game promised and then didn't deliver.

You can very much assume he would portray her real world suicided daughter with some reality around.

Simple, enough players found they were entertained, found a good fap scene or two or ten, enjoyed their time in the GAME.

Now you keep posting about YOUR personal opinions, assumptions and expectations, how about you post images, screen shots, quotes, anything, where the game advertises, implies or promises you all those things you have a problem with.

Because so far, you read some stuff from other people, came up with some ideas, played the game and it "surprise surprise" didn't have what you made up or read from others and now you want to bash it...

If you think LoF is a good AVN and The Room is a good movie, I can finally understand why there are people thinking LoF is great.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

Bro, you just came up with another piece of bullshit on the fly and for some reason you want me to discuss it as if I agreed with the pressuposition.

It's not bullshit, the game tries to pressure you into romancing a certain woman among the others because of the implied risk of her suiciding if not.

I also said that I didn't think it would be beneficial for an adult entertainment game to have a fictional spy character be similar to a possible real-life prototype. And I also said that I didn't think the author intended for his spy character to be a carbon copy of a real-life prototype, and that I didn't know where you got that idea from.

It's the opposite of a carbon copy, it's the straight opposite. It's not a fictionalised spy like the ones in Chuck the tv show, which are actually based on actual reality and very close to the real thing, even for a comedy. The serious adult themes, like a suicidal girl being the main plot of the game, hinted at the spy story not being absolutely fake and unreal.

A spreadsheet listing female spies and their behavior in bed, showing that they are all cold, heartless and unattached would be a great addition to support your point.

There are many already, female spies are basically state sponsored whores which are focused on getting information and manipulating powerful men, so they fuck around all the time.

But when I go to one of those fast-food cafes, it's either a guy, probably a student with a sloppy hairdo or a woman in her late 40s with a tired expression and... hmm... traces of consuming the menu from that cafe every day. Where is the fucking Kira? The dev is liar!

Exactly, finally you got it.

On a serious note, I can't comment again your beliefs about the real life female spies. It sounds like complete nonsense to me. Sorry.

It's normal if you never met spies or were around their circles, it's a trade like many others whose secrets are only known to a few.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

Next, I'm going to tell why a certain game whose main selling point is catering to a wide range of optional kinks, allowing you to granularly find or avoid kinks at will, is just a sissification psyop and should't be played by any straight male. I forgot the name of the game, it's about becoming a soldier in a space story.

 

[c3p0]

It was pretty much common knowledge when it was released in GOG, and there are no reasons for it being fake news.

What is on the GOG page:


And last but not least:
My name is Bond, James Bond.
I'm sure that if you're that famous for a spy that everyone know you, you won't survive long. But then again I sure, that Ian Fleming is also only another 12 year old that don't have any idea how a real spy would be, regardless that he had worked for the Britan's Naval Intelligence Division.

But what do I know myself, as I'm surely another home schooled child.

 

[Goeffel]

and I thought I was bored ... but you guys, wow.

What is on the GOG page:
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HowTF do you get prices displayed in French Francs in 2024?

 

[c3p0]

HowTF do you get prices displayed in French Francs in 2024?

Seems a mistery for this famous duo.

 

[morphnet]

I did it in the following messages in that thread.

First, you didn't
Second, if you had, how would that have helped anyone as you are claiming to?

Yes, clearly. I think I'm being positive because I'm trying for this thread to be useful, while you are just spilling negative vibes all around.

Not addressing the point, not surprising, it seems to be a habit with you....

I'm not complaining about the lack of harems,

"4º I couldn't put up with the game for long, but from what I know from my gameplay experience and what I read from others, you get a hentai harem in place just to be required to end up with only one. And the story is presented, as hard as it could, for you to end up with the BPD. Really? The game sets up a hentai harem for you just to be REQUIRED to choose only one? I get it had to be the BPD because it's the author own daughter, but then why setting up the harem story. "

I'm complaining about the fact that it was the poorest written harem in the history of harem stories.

Of course it is the poorest written harem story, that happens when the story is NOT a harem story....
You just make this stuff up as you go along?

No, with linear renpy games, there are many ways to know how much content you are missing still.

It's not like it had multiple characters with multiple group and solo scenes?

I was expecting the game to either suddenly or progressively improve, but it never happened, the game remains dog's shit for said 75% of the game and I'm pretty sure it keeps being dog's shit for the whole 100%, with a massively underwhelming ending which boils down to "romance the BPD, or else her death will be on you".

Well worded, well phrased, well thought out... sorry I was reading something else there for a second, back to yours...

75% is not 100%, pretty sure means you don't know and given that you have lied, ignored and avoided your way through, it's easy to come to the conclusion you are basing everything off a tantrum and nothing close to an unbiased helpful "review"

Yes, I did, weren't you to a school with other 12 years old when you were 12 years old? Maybe you were homeschooled and you missed the experience.

Funny, I didn't realize erotic lit was accepted in schools, I also didn't realize schools expected 12 year olds to write 20+ hour novels for assignments. Silly me, after all writing is all the same right? /s

It's not about the game being fantastic, it's about how the game is ludicrously fantastic while pretending not to be. That's the offending aspect.

Again with the unfounded accusations and contradicting yourself, where exactly does that game promise NOT to be "fantastic"
You keep replying without linking or posting anything that backs up what you are claiming.

Because it portrays:

• A world which is obviously copied from present day reality, with real cities, locations, societies, social norms, technology etc... while having nothing from straight fantasy
• The main character is the male Mary Sue, something like a SEWAGE CLEANER
• The women are taken from present day reality: a school friend, a rockstar, a lesbian couple, a BPD...
• Mature themes like mental disorders, depression and suiciding

None of that "says, offers or implies it is meant to be a realistic or true to the real world?", you are the one making that assumption and connection. Who ever heard of a writer adding fictious characters, events and a story to real world locations, societies, technology etc... AND covering mature themes like depression and suiciding...

It's a good thing you weren't around to um "review" Shakespeare

It's not a flaw specific to me, many other people might find it as wrong as I do, like the ones which agreed with me in the other thread.

First, they didn't agree with you on the flaw, I checked, you guys just patted each other on the backs over your mutual hatred of LOF.

Second, you guys seem to have a "very special" double standard going here, if many characters offer the opportunity for sex, you guys will say screw reality and drive right in, why not it's just a game, why be faithful to a made up character? But when faced with a choice all of a sudden reality is ALL that matters and how dare they NOT stick to it? Is the game at fault or could you just not keep your fly zipped?

Of course you could stick to one route, stay faithful and reply the game again doing the other routes but why bother? you want all the content now, so you ignore cherished reality, sleep with everyone then get pissed that the game that was NEVER a harem isn't a HAREM....

yup makes sense....

What the dev tried to do is wrong on many levels, regardless of my opinion about anything.

If it's NOT just your opinion then I'm sure you will have no trouble providing sources stating so....

I'm outraged by his 12 years old kind of take on how an adult harem is, and how it doesn't belong in this story.

It's all in your head.... what part of NOT a harem game are you having trouble with exactly?
Have you tried reporting LOF OP for needing and not having the harem tag? good luck with that....

The harem should be toned down or removed altogether,

Again NOT a harem game and by now it's clear you don't even know what a harem is....

The harem should be toned down or removed altogether, because it's poorly written, forced down your throat and doesn't belong with the rest of the story, specially with the "romance me or else" female BPD.

So turning down sex with other characters leads to a game over page?

As I said, if this game had 4 reviews and 100 downloads, I wouldn't find it offensive, because it's on par with those very same games, and not with the actual AVN reference games.

How dare something YOU don't like do well... yup that's an opinion that should be shared /s

Yes, exactly like that, intelligent people can extrapolate.

Would you need to fuck every prostitute in the world to realise they are usually not virgins?

Your examples really make no sense, you aren't trying to find out if they are virgins, you are claiming to know what everyone of them is thinking, feeling and their motivations. So going off your so called "example" it would be like you claiming...

"All prostitutes are in it for the power over men and to breaking up marriages"

Which you can not say because you don't know what every prostitutes thinking, feeling and their motivation is.

Because of the adult themes and the portrayed present day reality, as I said in this message.

That is called an assumption, proof would be a quote from the dev or the game overview or the game itself etc.

I don't know or care what he was thinking about, I just know for a fact that it's an unreal depiction of an actual female spy, because absolutely no career female spy is like that.

The dev and the game NEVER claim that is a depiction of an actual female spy, it's all in your head... You saw the word spy, said to yourself "must be a depiction of a real one", it wasn't, then you threw a tantrum... I'm not seeing how any of that makes it the dev or games fault?

I know the difference between fantasy and reality, hence why I find this game as offensive and wrong as I do.

So you know the difference AND YET...

You are offended that a game with a fictional story is NOT based in reality EVEN though it never claimed to be...
You are honestly making less sense by the minute....

So, for you, The Room is a good movie............ an actual good movie, not with irony or a taste for the abhorrent. Is that what you just said?

So you ignore the points, to be expected, most of your replies are just you making stuff up BUT do you really have that much of a reading / comprehension issue?

and I quote myself....

it doesn't mean the room was a bad movie

Why are you all haters so obsessed with the popularity of this thread? Like you rejoice in this thread not being popular, and then blaming me because you perceive me as negative lol

I'm going to go with English is not your first, second or third language given your obvious lack of understanding of the definitions of many of the words you use.

1) ALL? The majority of the so called "haters" are not even in this thread
2) Obsessed? replying when being pinged or quoted or mentioned in a thread now qualifies as obsessed?
3) Popularity of the thread? you made claims, I used facts to dispute those claims
4) Rejoice? Pointing out facts is now considered rejoicing?
5) Blaming you? Pointing out the flaws in what YOU perceive as without fault is blaming now?
6) Perceive you as negative? Yes, very much so, as would ANY other intelligent, rational and sane person...
and I can quote you if needed...

It was pretty much common knowledge when it was released in GOG, and there are no reasons for it being fake news.

In other words you made assumptions....

He was a spy, the killer type of spy. His main role was to infiltrate behind enemy lines and then kill his targets, so a killer spy, using spy tricks, with a spy personality.

Sure.... it's not like he was an NSA agent and NOT an intelligence officer, no need to bother with actual names, titles, job descriptions when dealing with reality right..... but games, better not get it wrong or else.....

She did exactly what I said they can/will/do right until the ending, which had to be happy because it's a comey.

Ok so you DON'T just make up stuff about games, you do it for tv shows too... good to know....
For the record... it wasn't a happy ending, oh wait, did you not finish this one either...

Of course he and his actions are spy-like. His training is that of a spy

Seriously, it's embarrassing just how much you are getting wrong.... do you want me to called anyone to drop food down to you in the hole you've dug?

" In the stories, Jack Reacher was a major in the U.S. Army's military police. "

You must be registered to see the links

All this info is freely available online, you could've easily looked it up and not made it so obvious you don't know what you are talking about....

not going to bother with the rest of the nonsense in that part of the reply...

You can very much assume

That and make stuff up is all you do, try relying on facts they don't leave you with egg on your face...

If you think LoF is a good AVN and The Room is a good movie, I can finally understand why there are people thinking LoF is great.

Again with the reading and comprehension issues.... you really do just read / see stuff and then make up something completely different in your head and say it's reality don't you?

Also it's kind of strange that your LIST is only one game long but then I read this...

I don't know if a possible LOF Hate's Club thread would be accepted by forum rules (or against any other game), most people are so touchy nowadays that you can never be sure.

Kind of calls into question your whole "it's not a game bashing thread", guess you decided to give it a try and find out...

 

[yossa999]

What is on the GOG page:


And last but not least:
My name is Bond, James Bond.

Fact checking? It's low even for you, Mr. Bond, to use such a powerful real weapon against fellow forum members!

 

[Jaike]

Next, I'm going to tell why a certain game whose main selling point is catering to a wide range of optional kinks, allowing you to granularly find or avoid kinks at will, is just a sissification psyop and should't be played by any straight male. I forgot the name of the game, it's about becoming a soldier in a space story.

The Last Star Walker?

HowTF do you get prices displayed in French Francs in 2024?

They're Swiss francs?

 

[c3p0]

They're Swiss francs?

Are you from the FBI?

 

[Goeffel]

The Last Star Walker?


They're Swiss francs?

That was my first thought, my second "no, that'd be SFr", and googling currency fr gave me lots of "see the newest French Francs Dollar conversion rates" :huh:
Later I thought maybe Forint, but nope, so Swiss it is after all. (somewhat anticlimactic)

 

[guidedbyvoices]

The Last Star Walker?

Thank you for replying despite of all the haters trying to ruin this thread.

I found it, this one: Space Corps XXX

It took me a while because I performed a damnatio memoriae (I deleted the game, save games and all mentions of it) and for some reason the main thread wasn't being returned to me when searching for the related terms I could remember, I had to find it through being mentioned elsewhere.

I'll write a full review when I could spare the time, replying to the haters is surely time consuming but they need to be confronted.

 

[LaShou23]

Why waste your time hating on one specific game for ...reasons...? You didn’t like it? That’s fine—leave a review with your reasons and move on. There’s a difference between being critical of a game and downright hating it. If the game is *that* popular, it means a lot of people enjoyed it.

I didn’t like Eternum; I’ve tried it about three times at different points in time, and it never resonated with me. But I don’t hate it, and I won’t create a thread stating how much I despise it. It’s in the top 3 on the site for a reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Just live and let live...

 

[guidedbyvoices]

Why waste your time hating on one specific game for ...reasons...? You didn’t like it? That’s fine—leave a review with your reasons and move on. There’s a difference between being critical of a game and downright hating it. If the game is *that* popular, it means a lot of people enjoyed it.

I didn’t like Eternum; I’ve tried it about three times at different points in time, and it never resonated with me. But I don’t hate it, and I won’t create a thread stating how much I despise it. It’s in the top 3 on the site for a reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Just live and let live...

Tell that to the Leap of Faith fanbois which prevent me from reviewing other games with their hate, I would have already but I got limited time lately so I can't both confronting them and writing other reviews.

Is there something in particular from Eternum which you didn't like? Would you unrecommend it? This is exactly what I had in mind with this thread, as I said in the opening message, to be a place where you could be critic of the more popular games, to unrecommend the games which get blindly recommended all the time.

 

[LaShou23]

Tell that to the Leap of Faith fanbois which prevent me from reviewing other games with their hate, I would have already but I got limited time lately so I can't both confronting them and writing other reviews.

Is there something in particular from Eternum which you didn't like? Would you unrecommend it? This is exactly what I had in mind with this thread, as I said in the opening message, to be a place where you could be critic of the more popular games, to unrecommend the games which get blindly recommended all the time.

Well, as I said, I've never really gotten into the story (which is more of a me problem), but my biggest issue is the almost complete linearity of the plot. The choices are essentially about whether to hook up with the LIs or not. The game is designed as a harem, and one wrong choice can take you off an LI's path forever.

 

[Jaike]

In a review you should have different categories and rate them against some requirement, you must name before, then weight the induvidual ratings (eg. graphics 30%, story 30%, grammar 10%, bugs or absent of it 10%, gameplay 20%, music 10%, math skill 20%).
With that everyone can see why you've rate it as you have and how that score comes to it.

And yes, even if you eg. have a section characters where you give 0/5 for all the characters they have in the game, cause they too cliche and not deep and you give it 80% of the overall score and the rest of your categories all have 5/5, thus having an overall of 1/5 everone can follow and have their own conclusion about the game...

When you say "should" there, that's wrong. It's a subjective choice to rate different categories and conclude a total from that. If you look around, you see this way of rating is more common with consumer (consoomer?) items like hairdryers and toasters and less with art or book reviews in scientific journals.

What's important in a review is that the reason for a score is explained with enough detail and that the explanation is based on true facts.

Thank you for replying despite of all the haters trying to ruin this thread.

I don't endorse your thread btw, I just don't think it achieves anything to try argue you out of it. That you got in a fight in the story first games topic had to do more with your tone and the words you chose though. I'd honestly be pissed if you posted "sluts this, sluts that" in one of my topics.

Well, as I said, I've never really gotten into the story (which is more of a me problem), but my biggest issue is the almost complete linearity of the plot. The choices are essentially about whether to hook up with the LIs or not. The game is designed as a harem, and one wrong choice can take you off an LI's path forever.

Linearity is usually a good thing for plot quality, though. Branching eats up much time. I think it's fair to call that an artistic choice in this case. But I like kinetic novels too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Most choices to stay on an LI's path are very obvious too. Alex's path has an early choice that may be confusing, though her personality is a strong hint, and maaaybe Nova's path has one too. But I only follow 1 and 2 LIs in my playthrough and I usually have to get the MC off other LI's routes. And most "wrong" choices don't kick you off an LI's path, they just keep your score too low to stay on it so it takes many wrong choices like that to leave a path.

 

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"the game was allegedly a tribute to the author's SUICIDED DAUGHTER" Was it advertised as such? or did you read that somewhere and start making assumptions?

It was pretty much common knowledge when it was released in GOG, and there are no reasons for it being fake news.

What is on the GOG page:
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Several comments on the GOG store page, which I always read before buying, cited the developer main intention with the game: a tribute to her suicided daughter, represented by said character.

And last but not least:
My name is Bond, James Bond.
I'm sure that if you're that famous for a spy that everyone know you, you won't survive long. But then again I sure, that Ian Fleming is also only another 12 year old that don't have any idea how a real spy would be, regardless that he had worked for the Britan's Naval Intelligence Division.

Ian Fleming wasn't a spy himself, he just worked around them. He was fact checked all the time (like I just did it with you) by real spies, like when he had to correct the pistol James Bond carried around because real life spies wrote to him to tell him no actual spy would carry that.

He wasn't by far the best spy novelist, he was just one of the first to be hugely successful but mainly thanks to the movies, not to his novels.

But, movies like License to Kill (played by Timothy Dalton) or Goldeneye (played by Pierce Brosnan) are great portraits of actual male spies, save for the action movies genre concessions of course: They are cold, frivolous, manipulative sociopaths which exploit those around them, both because they are chosen precisely because of those traits and because they need them to do their job.

But what do I know myself, as I'm surely another home schooled child.

I'm not sure if I personally learned to correctly fact check in school, but it generally helps.

 

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Tell that to the Leap of Faith fanbois which prevent me from reviewing other games with their hate, I would have already but I got limited time lately so I can't both confronting them and writing other reviews.

So "the Leap of Faith fanbois which prevent" you from "reviewing" and your first post in 2 days while the thread was dead is to try continue bashing leap of faith.... and ignoring ALL the follow up points, replying to a post from Nov 6, 2024

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Several comments on the GOG store page, which I always read before buying, cited the developer main intention with the game: a tribute to her suicided daughter, represented by said character.

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"the game was allegedly a tribute to the author's SUICIDED DAUGHTER" Was it advertised as such? or did you read that somewhere and start making assumptions?

Now,

Several comments on the GOG store page, which I always read before buying, cited the developer main intention with the game: a tribute to her suicided daughter, represented by said character.

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to quote by way of example, authority, or proof

None of the comments you posted quoted the dev in saying the game is a tribute to his (not her) suicided daughter, represented by said character AND that the game was advertised as such AND that the dev intended for it to be 100% based on and in reality.



Inspired by

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to spur on : impel, motivate



remembrance

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None of those are quotes from the dev, the game itself was NOT marketed, advertised as a tribute to his dead daughter. The dev also NEVER came out and said I made this game based on reality and everything is 100% authentic and you should expect a real world experience.

The fact is, this is ALL in your head, very much like how I now believe, all your tall tales in this thread are....

I'm not sure if I personally learned to correctly fact check in school, but it generally helps

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He wasn't by far the best spy novelist, he was just one of the first to be hugely successful but mainly thanks to the movies, not to his novels.

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" The Bond stories rank among

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of all time, having sold over 100 million copies worldwide. "

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" However it wasn’t until early 1952 that he finally made that dream a reality. Casino Royale was the first of what would ultimately be a series of 12 novels and two short story collections written by Fleming at his home in Jamaica while escaping the gloomy London winter each year.
The book was an immediate success in Britain, with the initial 4,728 print run selling out in less than a month, leading to a second and then third printing, and the 1955 paperback edition sold 41,000 copies in one year. By the time of You Only Live Twice, the last book to be published in Fleming’s lifetime, there were a staggering 62,000 advance orders in Britain alone."

But, movies like License to Kill (played by Timothy Dalton) or Goldeneye (played by Pierce Brosnan) are great portraits of actual male spies, save for the action movies genre concessions of course: They are cold, frivolous, manipulative sociopaths which exploit those around them, both because they are chosen precisely because of those traits and because they need them to do their job.

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Written by : Michael G. Wilson, Richard Maibaum
Based on : James Bond by Ian Fleming

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Screenplay by : Jeffrey Caine, Bruce Feirstein
Story by : Michael France
Based on : James Bond by Ian Fleming

Have you considered asking your school for a refund?

 

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Again, your thread is NOT about not recommending games but a place to rant.

It's not, I already explained it, in full detail, in my first message.

First, you didn't

And again, I did it:

In the story-first games thread many of us felt the need for a thread where anyone could UNrecommend games, specially if they are popular or considered as great, with the reasons why.

The current situation is:

• If you are critical of a game in its official thread, the standard response is "If you don't like this game then why are you here, just forget it exists and leave this thread already". The expected social custom is for official games to be populated by fans of the game, and only light and partial criticising is allowed (i.e. you can say "I didn't like that subplot because...", but not "I hate this whole game because ..." without getting said answer.
• If you don't like a game but you want to fully explain the reasons why and to engage in a conversation about it, it's less likely that in the official thread it would be read by other people which share your opinion, because if they don't like a game, likely they won't be reading about it.
• There are very popular games which are supposed to be 10/10 for everyone, but you could consider they are 5/10, or 0/10, or -10/10. For every critic they get, there are many more fans praising it, which create the general perception of the game being flawless.
• There is little sense in unrecommending an author's first game, which is barely a testing project and got 10 total downloads, because everyone will take for granted the game isn't interesting enough. But there is a lot of sense in discussing why one of those games which always get a free pass might not be 100% perfect, or why they would be outright trash for you.
• If you don't want to read any critical opinion whatsoever, you are safe from those if you never enter a thread like this one. It's a place for the people who enjoy discussing games but without offending others.

Playing games take time/effort/money/the like, and it's a massive turn off when a game doesn't meet your expectations because you could only read the positive opinions beforehand and none of the critical ones.

Not addressing the point, not surprising, it seems to be a habit with you....

It's you who keep ignoring what I write, and then inventing alternative facts. I'm quoting myself all the time to prove you wrong.

Of course it is the poorest written harem story, that happens when the story is NOT a harem story....

This is what I initially wrote about the harem in the game:

4º I couldn't put up with the game for long, but from what I know from my gameplay experience and what I read from others, you get a hentai harem in place just to be required to end up with only one. And the story is presented, as hard as it could, for you to end up with the BPD. Really? The game sets up a hentai harem for you just to be REQUIRED to choose only one? I get it had to be the BPD because it's the author own daughter, but then why setting up the harem story.



Did I say I was disappointed by the lack of a harem in the game? No

I said this:

I'm outraged by his 12 years old kind of take on how an adult harem is, and how it doesn't belong in this story.

The harem should be toned down or removed altogether, because it's poorly written, forced down your throat and doesn't belong with the rest of the story, specially with the "romance me or else" female BPD.

I'm not complaining about the lack of harems, I'm complaining about the fact that it was the poorest written harem in the history of harem stories. The moment the game starts, women throw themselves at your mercy, right into your harem and said harem is the main plot of the game, other than the BPD being a drama queen.

My key points, for those which were home schooled around here:

• Poorest harem ever written
• The game throws women at you, happily into your harem, since the very first minutes of the game and during the main plot (the trip to the rockstar's away house)
• After much of the game being a harem plot, then you are forced to choose only one
• If the dev wants to force you to choose only one, then the harem should be either removed or toned down, because monogamous only women would never allow the protagonist to freely fuck around in front of them (like he did in the harem trip)

You just make this stuff up as you go along?

No, I don't, it's why my reasoning is solid and yours isn't.

It's not like it had multiple characters with multiple group and solo scenes?

Which are all inside the game folder, it's not like it's summoned out of nowhere using black magic. There are tools to check Renpy content without having to sequentially play it all.

Well worded, well phrased, well thought out... sorry I was reading something else there for a second, back to yours...

75% is not 100%, pretty sure means you don't know and given that you have lied, ignored and avoided your way through, it's easy to come to the conclusion you are basing everything off a tantrum and nothing close to an unbiased helpful "review"

How can you write such a childishly offensive and unwarranted comment, and then accuse me of throwing a tantrum?

I'm the adult here, trying to have a reasonable conversation about unrecommending games, specially those which get recommended all the time to everyone. And keeping it civil, despite an inordinate amount of hate. All while you keep flaming me, but at once accusing me of being negative...

75% of a game, 8 hours in, is enough to know if a game is shit or not. I'm not talking about being able to minutely describe it, but to tell apart if it's a shit or not.

And this game, to me IS SHIT. It's not my fault you are a fanboi and 99.99999% or 100% wouldn't be enough for you, if you can't prevent your little fanboi feelings from getting hurt, then don't come here and stick to the official butt-kissing thread.

Funny, I didn't realize erotic lit was accepted in schools, I also didn't realize schools expected 12 year olds to write 20+ hour novels for assignments. Silly me, after all writing is all the same right? /s

I never had to deal with home schooled people, so I was wrong taking for granted adult men remember how it was to be 12 years old around other 12 years old mates.

Now I see there are (presumably) adult men around there which never experienced what a 12 years old male environment was, and which can't comprehend other men which do know and do remember.

Again with the unfounded accusations and contradicting yourself, where exactly does that game promise NOT to be "fantastic"
You keep replying without linking or posting anything that backs up what you are claiming.

None of that "says, offers or implies it is meant to be a realistic or true to the real world?", you are the one making that assumption and connection. Who ever heard of a writer adding fictious characters, events and a story to real world locations, societies, technology etc... AND covering mature themes like depression and suiciding...

If it's NOT just your opinion then I'm sure you will have no trouble providing sources stating so....

You are offended that a game with a fictional story is NOT based in reality EVEN though it never claimed to be...
You are honestly making less sense by the minute....

In other words you made assumptions....

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"THE LARGE TEXTS YOU READ AT THE END OF CHAPTER 6 HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE... ESPECIALLY THE PART WHEN SHE TOLD HIM TO WRITE THE STORY -- THE HUG, AND THE LAST TIME HE WOULD SEE HER ALIVE."

Is that real enough for you?

Since you are such a fanboi, you could ask himself if it wasn't all a fantasy.

It's a good thing you weren't around to um "review" Shakespeare

Did you actually ever read or went to any Shakespeare stage play? Because if you did, you would know that even though he included magic in a few of his workings, it was all coherent inside each lore. And women were accurately portrayed, like in Othello.

Second, you guys seem to have a "very special" double standard going here, if many characters offer the opportunity for sex, you guys will say screw reality and drive right in, why not it's just a game, why be faithful to a made up character? But when faced with a choice all of a sudden reality is ALL that matters and how dare they NOT stick to it? Is the game at fault or could you just not keep your fly zipped?

I thought you would have at least played the game, since you are such a fanboi:

• The game starts with the protagonist recovering from some kind of heart broken depression, because his wife/girlfriend suddenly dumped him and disappeared, so he was single and open to new relationships
• The first scene is the protagonist and his buddy sidekick circling the macho wagons, preparing to go out on the hunt
• Hot women literally throw themselves at him, happily joining and contributing to run his harem
• Not only none of them talked about being monogamous, but they looked like being comfortable with being cattled into the protagonist harem

I don't know if you know, but monogamous people don't act like that, so it isn't exactly like it was a "monogamous relationship only" what was suggested by the early and mid parts of the game.

Of course you could stick to one route, stay faithful and reply the game again doing the other routes but why bother?

I do that all the time, but with games which AREN'T UTTER S.H.I.T.

It's all in your head.... what part of NOT a harem game are you having trouble with exactly?
Have you tried reporting LOF OP for needing and not having the harem tag? good luck with that....

Many other games have early open relationships until a certain point, and then either require you to choose, or offer you to choose but keep an option to keep being with open relationships. As with Being a DIK and many others.

And in those games, the harem isn't as blatantly thrown down your throat as it is in this game, as in Being a DIK and many others.

So turning down sex with other characters leads to a game over page?

Pretty much, yes, in every AVN ever made. If you aren't playing AVNs to have sex, you are doing it wrong.

It's like playing chess and never moving any pieces or something.

How dare something YOU don't like do well... yup that's an opinion that should be shared /s

The Room did well but nobody, except you, consider it a good movie.

"All prostitutes are in it for the power over men and to breaking up marriages"

Which you can not say because you don't know what every prostitutes thinking, feeling and their motivation is.

I know enough prostitutes to know why they are in it for, which it isn't always the same reason but there is definitely a finite set of reasons, the others posible reasons (like a certain prostitute in the world doing it because she read it in her horoscope) being absolutely statistically negligible.

You are a proponent of "Ignoramus et ignorabimus" and I'm of "Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen".

Like David Hilbert replied 94 years ago to those of your school of thought. and still totally true today:

We must not believe those, who today, with philosophical bearing and deliberative tone, prophesy the fall of culture and accept the ignorabimus. For us there is no ignorabimus, and in my opinion none whatever in natural science. In opposition to the foolish ignorabimus our slogan shall be Wir müssen wissen – wir werden wissen ("We must know – we will know").

Natural science is totally able to explain at least >95% of prostitutes motives, and if there are unknown reasons it couldn't still, it will.

it doesn't mean the room was a bad movie

Enough said about The Room, it fits your other opinions.

The dev and the game NEVER claim that is a depiction of an actual female spy, it's all in your head... You saw the word spy, said to yourself "must be a depiction of a real one", it wasn't, then you threw a tantrum... I'm not seeing how any of that makes it the dev or games fault?

So you invent alternative facts all the time about what I think or thought, but at once accuse me of not providing proof etc...

What is your proof of that? I already provided my proof why that female spy story is in line with the rest of the story, except for the suicidal BPD: a 12 years old boy fantasy.

I get it someone which considers The Room a good movie must have waived coherency as a desirable attribute, but I find the lack of coherency a massive turn off, everywhere, including in fiction.

The female "spy" being a joke of a spy, in a serious game tributed to a dead daughter is offensive enough for me.

1) ALL? The majority of the so called "haters" are not even in this thread
2) Obsessed? replying when being pinged or quoted or mentioned in a thread now qualifies as obsessed?
3) Popularity of the thread? you made claims, I used facts to dispute those claims
4) Rejoice? Pointing out facts is now considered rejoicing?
5) Blaming you? Pointing out the flaws in what YOU perceive as without fault is blaming now?
6) Perceive you as negative? Yes, very much so, as would ANY other intelligent, rational and sane person...
and I can quote you if needed...

1) I assume the majority of LOF fanbois are in the official thread and on the dev Patreon/Subscribestar/the like, but I definitely got a few hard cases here

2) , 3) , 4), 5) and 6) You agreed to this hateful piece with a happy emote:

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so now don't play dumb.

Sure.... it's not like he was an NSA agent and NOT an intelligence officer, no need to bother with actual names, titles, job descriptions when dealing with reality right..... but games, better not get it wrong or else.....

You are really intelligent:

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The National Security Agency (NSA) is an

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of the

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, under the authority of the

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(DNI).

"Intelligence agency" under the authority of the "Director of National Intelligence" Would they deal in intelligence things?

The NSA is responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign intelligence and

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purposes, specializing in a discipline known as

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(SIGINT). The NSA is also tasked with the

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of U.S. communications networks and

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. The NSA relies on a variety of measures to accomplish its mission, the majority of which are

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Well well well, "Global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data", you really know your shit, don't you. Also they employ "a variety of measures, the majority of which are clandestine", everything sounds very intelligent to me.

Nothing related to spies though, of course, nothing at all.

For the record... it wasn't a happy ending, oh wait, did you not finish this one either...

Wasn't it a happy ending for you? Damn, then what's a happy ending for you? Besides LOF and The Room, of course.

Seriously, it's embarrassing just how much you are getting wrong.... do you want me to called anyone to drop food down to you in the hole you've dug?

I don't know, please tell me like if English were your first, second or third language:

I'm going to go with English is not your first, second or third language given your obvious lack of understanding of the definitions of many of the words you use.

" In the stories, Jack Reacher was a major in the U.S. Army's military police. "

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All this info is freely available online, you could've easily looked it up and not made it so obvious you don't know what you are talking about....

not going to bother with the rest of the nonsense in that part of the reply...

"WAS" a major in the military police is the part you missed, "was" as in he is no longer in either the military or related to the military police.

He worked in the military police after being graduated from West Point, which is the academy where tons of USA SPIES are recruited from.

What he actually does in the novels and movies, is to be a solo drifter, always acting in unknown territory, having to resort to operate with whatever he can get around by chance (like a spy, not like a military policeman).

Does a military policeman usually operate secretly, alone, outside of the army or any official hierarchy, outside of any chain of command, with whatever he can muster around by chance? No, totally the opposite, they always operate inside the chain of command, surrounded by other military policemen, with their provided equipment, following strict orders and almost never behind enemy lines.

Does a spy usually operate secretly, alone, outside of the army or any official hierarchy, outside of any chain of command, with whatever he can muster around by chance? Yes, all the time, when they are behind enemy lines and can't contact anybody else.

Jack Reacher in the books and movies is acting like a spy, doing spy things, using spy tricks. He isn't arresting military personnel in a military policeman uniform, like the military police does.

I tried to dumb it down as much as I could to highlight the difference between military policeman actions and spy actions.

That and make stuff up is all you do, try relying on facts they don't leave you with egg on your face...

I filled this post with facts you were ignoring since the beginning, you aren't about facts but about being hateful.

Again with the reading and comprehension issues.... you really do just read / see stuff and then make up something completely different in your head and say it's reality don't you?

No, that's what you do. Accusing others of what you actually do is called projection, it's what some people do when they can't process their own thoughts.

Kind of calls into question your whole "it's not a game bashing thread", guess you decided to give it a try and find out...

It's not, as I abundantly made it clear.

I hate LOF, and I pity the fool who thinks it's a good game. But if I wanted a thread to just hate on that game, I would have called it "LOF Hate's Club" and not "The thread for the NOT recommended games".



Now, if you could stop being hateful here, we could have a constructive dialogue about games. Thank you.