Can we please go back to discussing the things we do like, the games that we do appreciate.
There is enough hate in the game threads.
Alright, I will reply to the comments addressed to me already and then leave the discussion for somewhere else. I don't know if a possible LOF Hate's Club thread would be accepted by forum rules (or against any other game), most people are so touchy nowadays that you can never be sure.
WOW amazing, it's like you can read my mind through the screen, it's exactly how I feel, it's like everything is so crazy you go from being sad to having women come out from everywhere specifically for you, we went from 0 to 100 in less than 5 minutes and it's overwhelming to think that all the women in this game are not happy and for some reason you are the only one who can give them what they are looking for, it's stressful because you will hurt all the others which is fucked up, maybe if they weren't so lacking in affection I wouldn't feel so bad but it's hard.
And yes, obviously I lean towards the girl with BPD because she is simply the one who is in the worst condition and who knows what she would do if you don't choose her, which being that the author is emotionally manipulating me.
The author is totally trying to manipulate you, making you think that if you prefer any other girl, then her ultimate demise would be on you because you are selfish. That somehow you HAVE the responsability to save a girl which doesn't want to be saved, and you have to screw your own life because of that. It's wrong, plain and simple.
I can't even figure out if this is a show of superiority over the "fanbois", contempt for them, or fear of being rejected and not getting validation in their "pathetic fanboish community." Why you care about "fanbois" opinions when deciding whether to publish your review of a game.
Neither of those, in general I don't go out of my way just to offend other people, I prefer to express my opinion where it wouldn't, like I don't want others to go out of their way to offend me.
But in particular with a game like this, which was so popular for reasons I can't understand but I suspect it might be because it resonated with touchy people, I prefer to express my opinions elsewhere than stirring up the hornet's nest. I'm not an asshole so as I wouldn't go into an epilepsy forum to post epilepsy inducing images and videos, neither I want to go to the official thread to call their beloved game a nasty piece of work.
Some adult stories prioritize pacing and excitement over realism, but that doesn't make them bad.
I totally agree, there are many completely over the top games but which are really fun. I can think of
Once in a life time and
Eternum by Caribdis as prime examples of this, both are harem hentai ported into the western AVN genre, but he got the fantasy parts right and the women throwing themselves at the protagonist also feel right inside the lore because it's not so blatant and unwarranted, so I'm not always against over the top stories and action.
But Leap of Faith is obviously trying to be based on reality, on the reality of a male Mary Sue seducing women left and right with totally unrealistic conversations. The rockstar first conversation was, and I'm not saying this lightly, the most unreal event I've ever seen in any fiction artwork. If you know ANYTHING about adult life, you know a story with dragons, elves and dwarves is more feasible than that.
Haha, now probably 90% of the AVN developers and scriptwriters of TV shows and films have burst into tears and walked away into the sunset.
I mean, I'm not sure I myself could write realistic women characters, but I do realise when they are realistic or not.
calling random women whores
NOT "
random" women, as I literally said just
the particular subset of women which are female spies. I can tell the facts and name the names to prove this is the truth, as in the truth in real, actual life, not in fantastic stories by writers who know absolutely nothing about real life female spies (or male spies, for that matter, which are the male counterpart).
Welcome to the club of LoF haters.
Let's do the club brother, I'm not sure if it's allowed by forum rules (to open a thread against a game, I just recently started reading here), but if it is, let's write the ultimate testament on how the game is everything wrong about AVNs.
The lesbian couple are annoying and cheesy.
I FORGOT ABOUT THE LESBIANS, damn, my mind would probably rather forget so it tried to protect me from this shitty story.
Those slutty lesbians which are just straight women waiting for MC's redemption, are the ultimate 12 years old boy image of how lesbians might be, without actually being in real life.
Being a DIK got this so much more realistically done, so it isn't just impossible to be portrayed.
The graphics are outdated, the UI and gameplay are cumbersome and a pain to use.
I took for granted the game was close to 10 years old because it's so technically outdated compared to the other major Renpy+DAZ games. But no, it looks like it's recent
Much older games look so much better...
And I'm not even talking about lots of other stupid plot points, like the MC jumping forward and catching the Cece's hand and dragging her (being off balance) out of the void at the very last moment. As a guy who studied physics I'm sure she would drag him with her, or at least he couldn't stop her from falling down.
I can confirm, he would need to be incredibly heavy and strong to stop her from falling at that very last moment, even if she would just weigh 50 kg/110 lbs, because a free falling object quickly starts gaining linear momentum which makes it very difficult to stop. Gravity acceleration is very significant, even though many don't realise it because we are used to be attached to the floor, but speed and linear momentum when free falling increase very rapidly.
Seriously, I cannot think of any redeeming qualities of that game. That's why I say I hate this game. If it would be just another poorly written boring game, I wouldn't care. But it is a star of this site and it's so bad in any possible sense, that it just feels cringey. Well, I guess millions of flies cannot be wrong.
I ALSO HATE IT, and I pity the fool who thinks this is a great game, because it's just the opposite.
I couldn't believe how bad it was because the praise was general and immense, I thought it was just a very early game, or that the early part was rough around the edges but it would improve (like many other games), or that my dislike for the author trying to get you to love his favourite character was preventing me from enjoying other aspects of the game. BUT NO, the game is JUST BAD at everything.
Fortunately you don't speak for everyone, or accurately portray everyone for that matter. Some people will be in relationships with people with BPD -and other disorders, and some people with them will get help.
I've never claimed to speak for everyone, but I do have experience with these things.
The mix between trying to tell good story and the need to provide "dating simulation" does not always work. In a lot of AVN games, it doesn't work that well.
For me, the early scenes in
Being a DIK are a good example of a well done mix of story and dating simulator experience.
But one thing is being required to "win" in a dating simulator, and another one is looking at a totally unrealistic story in which women throw themselves at you for no reason.
For Leap of Faith, the game would have a better story if it's just Cece and maybe a couple other characters. There's too many characters in Leap of Faith.
Cece story was good enough. It's not perfect, but some things in it was worth reading. When I was playing the game or just finished playing the game, I do remember thinking and saying that Cece does not need a new boyfriend, not at that particular moment.
I agree, when thinking about how to fix this game, removing the harem set up and giving the chance to just help Cece, without romancing her, would be the first to do.
There's a lot of AVN like this tbh. Leap of Faith is not alone on this point. This is why to me, characters inner monologue is a hit or miss for me. One person (usually main character) inner monologue is one thing, but when a game has inner monologues for many of it's characters, often time it doesn't work for me because often time the writer is not good enough to be able to write inner monologues for that many of their characters.
It's definitely hard to realistically describe even the inner thoughts of the different characters, it's hard enough already to describe their external appearance, words and acts. You need to know them very well and also how to describe a realistic instance, because if you only know how they are, but don't know how to write a good situation, it will come up as forced or cheesy.
