Recommending Story-first games

[Dessolos]

Btw, since I can talk freely about F95, how vital is that crack? Will it just give me some nice extras, or is it the only way to access thegame past chapter 2?

Edit: Also, where's the walkthrough mod for it?

I replied in the other thread about the crack since I saw a notification for that thread.

I don't use walkthrough mods so no idea but for the most part I didn't feel it really is needed from what I can tell so far. But for people that use WT mods it might be in future updates but im not even sure if your choices carry over to each episode or not yet. As the engine the game uses you can start a new game for any episode once you unlocked it by playing it and each episode has it's own separate saves.

 

[jufot]

Chasing Sunsets: I know the author. They're someone that's actually lived, has a life, and and based off of their own life experiences. this one I especially would like your thoughts on

Chasing Sunsets began well - with childhood angst, corporate drama, and highly advertised (and never happened) rivalry between the two LIs. All of that was abandoned quickly in favour of a pointless fuckfest. Plot points resolved themselves without any effort by the protagonist, who just went on holiday for a while and fucked anything that moved. The adults in the room fixed the corporate stuff behind the scenes, so the protagonist went home. The End.

Rebirth Episode 1 was my favorite VN for years, and is still one of my faves, and I hope to get to the rest of the series now that it's complete. I'd love to hear your spoiler free thoughts on the series.

Rebirth is unusal as a largely sex-free AVN, but the writing became worse and worse over time. The protagonist is an asshole with delusions of grandeur who, somehow, not only made Sharon subservient to him, but other characters much, much stronger than him also became his pawns. The plot that took years to build just kind of fizzled out, and the game ended. Mercy killing by the dev, really.

I also forgot to ask, what have you liked that's come out in the last 2 years? Anything that you'd especially recommend?

I'm generally not a fan of overly generic questions like these. I don't even remember what I've played over the last 2 years, let alone which one of those I really liked. Your best bet is to go through the OP, I keep that updated

 

[TheimmortalP]

Chasing Sunsets began well - with childhood angst, corporate drama, and highly advertised (and never happened) rivalry between the two LIs. All of that was abandoned quickly in favour of a pointless fuckfest. Plot points resolved themselves without any effort by the protagonist, who just went on holiday for a while and fucked anything that moved. The adults in the room fixed the corporate stuff behind the scenes, so the protagonist went home. The End.

I love it but you know what? Valid. I told the author that the mc that he shouldn't have written a story about someone that has no money troubles and can do whatever, it gives him an absurd amount of privilege, and makes him a lot less relatable.

Rebirth is unusal as a largely sex-free AVN, but the writing became worse and worse over time. The protagonist is an asshole with delusions of grandeur who, somehow, not only made Sharon subservient to him, but other characters much, much stronger than him also became his pawns. The plot that took years to build just kind of fizzled out, and the game ended. Mercy killing by the dev, really.

Aww, that sucks, hope I end up disagreeing with you, or at least find something redeeming about it.

I'm generally not a fan of overly generic questions like these. I don't even remember what I've played over the last 2 years, let alone which one of those I really liked. Your best bet is to go through the OP, I keep that updated

Will do.

Thanks for answering my questions, I appreciate it.

On a related note, I just tried and failed to read chapter 1 of Streaming for love. it's one of the worst vns I've tried all year.

Hope that you're doing better that usual Jufot, nice to be talking to you again.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

Can we please go back to discussing the things we do like, the games that we do appreciate.
There is enough hate in the game threads.

Alright, I will reply to the comments addressed to me already and then leave the discussion for somewhere else. I don't know if a possible LOF Hate's Club thread would be accepted by forum rules (or against any other game), most people are so touchy nowadays that you can never be sure.

WOW amazing, it's like you can read my mind through the screen, it's exactly how I feel, it's like everything is so crazy you go from being sad to having women come out from everywhere specifically for you, we went from 0 to 100 in less than 5 minutes and it's overwhelming to think that all the women in this game are not happy and for some reason you are the only one who can give them what they are looking for, it's stressful because you will hurt all the others which is fucked up, maybe if they weren't so lacking in affection I wouldn't feel so bad but it's hard.

And yes, obviously I lean towards the girl with BPD because she is simply the one who is in the worst condition and who knows what she would do if you don't choose her, which being that the author is emotionally manipulating me.

The author is totally trying to manipulate you, making you think that if you prefer any other girl, then her ultimate demise would be on you because you are selfish. That somehow you HAVE the responsability to save a girl which doesn't want to be saved, and you have to screw your own life because of that. It's wrong, plain and simple.

I can't even figure out if this is a show of superiority over the "fanbois", contempt for them, or fear of being rejected and not getting validation in their "pathetic fanboish community." Why you care about "fanbois" opinions when deciding whether to publish your review of a game.

Neither of those, in general I don't go out of my way just to offend other people, I prefer to express my opinion where it wouldn't, like I don't want others to go out of their way to offend me.

But in particular with a game like this, which was so popular for reasons I can't understand but I suspect it might be because it resonated with touchy people, I prefer to express my opinions elsewhere than stirring up the hornet's nest. I'm not an asshole so as I wouldn't go into an epilepsy forum to post epilepsy inducing images and videos, neither I want to go to the official thread to call their beloved game a nasty piece of work.

Some adult stories prioritize pacing and excitement over realism, but that doesn't make them bad.

I totally agree, there are many completely over the top games but which are really fun. I can think of Once in a life time and Eternum by Caribdis as prime examples of this, both are harem hentai ported into the western AVN genre, but he got the fantasy parts right and the women throwing themselves at the protagonist also feel right inside the lore because it's not so blatant and unwarranted, so I'm not always against over the top stories and action.

But Leap of Faith is obviously trying to be based on reality, on the reality of a male Mary Sue seducing women left and right with totally unrealistic conversations. The rockstar first conversation was, and I'm not saying this lightly, the most unreal event I've ever seen in any fiction artwork. If you know ANYTHING about adult life, you know a story with dragons, elves and dwarves is more feasible than that.

Haha, now probably 90% of the AVN developers and scriptwriters of TV shows and films have burst into tears and walked away into the sunset.

I mean, I'm not sure I myself could write realistic women characters, but I do realise when they are realistic or not.

calling random women whores

NOT "random" women, as I literally said just the particular subset of women which are female spies. I can tell the facts and name the names to prove this is the truth, as in the truth in real, actual life, not in fantastic stories by writers who know absolutely nothing about real life female spies (or male spies, for that matter, which are the male counterpart).

Welcome to the club of LoF haters.

Let's do the club brother, I'm not sure if it's allowed by forum rules (to open a thread against a game, I just recently started reading here), but if it is, let's write the ultimate testament on how the game is everything wrong about AVNs.

The lesbian couple are annoying and cheesy.

I FORGOT ABOUT THE LESBIANS, damn, my mind would probably rather forget so it tried to protect me from this shitty story.

Those slutty lesbians which are just straight women waiting for MC's redemption, are the ultimate 12 years old boy image of how lesbians might be, without actually being in real life. Being a DIK got this so much more realistically done, so it isn't just impossible to be portrayed.

The graphics are outdated, the UI and gameplay are cumbersome and a pain to use.

I took for granted the game was close to 10 years old because it's so technically outdated compared to the other major Renpy+DAZ games. But no, it looks like it's recent Much older games look so much better...

And I'm not even talking about lots of other stupid plot points, like the MC jumping forward and catching the Cece's hand and dragging her (being off balance) out of the void at the very last moment. As a guy who studied physics I'm sure she would drag him with her, or at least he couldn't stop her from falling down.

I can confirm, he would need to be incredibly heavy and strong to stop her from falling at that very last moment, even if she would just weigh 50 kg/110 lbs, because a free falling object quickly starts gaining linear momentum which makes it very difficult to stop. Gravity acceleration is very significant, even though many don't realise it because we are used to be attached to the floor, but speed and linear momentum when free falling increase very rapidly.

Seriously, I cannot think of any redeeming qualities of that game. That's why I say I hate this game. If it would be just another poorly written boring game, I wouldn't care. But it is a star of this site and it's so bad in any possible sense, that it just feels cringey. Well, I guess millions of flies cannot be wrong.

I ALSO HATE IT, and I pity the fool who thinks this is a great game, because it's just the opposite.

I couldn't believe how bad it was because the praise was general and immense, I thought it was just a very early game, or that the early part was rough around the edges but it would improve (like many other games), or that my dislike for the author trying to get you to love his favourite character was preventing me from enjoying other aspects of the game. BUT NO, the game is JUST BAD at everything.

Fortunately you don't speak for everyone, or accurately portray everyone for that matter. Some people will be in relationships with people with BPD -and other disorders, and some people with them will get help.

I've never claimed to speak for everyone, but I do have experience with these things.

The mix between trying to tell good story and the need to provide "dating simulation" does not always work. In a lot of AVN games, it doesn't work that well.

For me, the early scenes in Being a DIK are a good example of a well done mix of story and dating simulator experience.

But one thing is being required to "win" in a dating simulator, and another one is looking at a totally unrealistic story in which women throw themselves at you for no reason.

For Leap of Faith, the game would have a better story if it's just Cece and maybe a couple other characters. There's too many characters in Leap of Faith.
Cece story was good enough. It's not perfect, but some things in it was worth reading. When I was playing the game or just finished playing the game, I do remember thinking and saying that Cece does not need a new boyfriend, not at that particular moment.

I agree, when thinking about how to fix this game, removing the harem set up and giving the chance to just help Cece, without romancing her, would be the first to do.

There's a lot of AVN like this tbh. Leap of Faith is not alone on this point. This is why to me, characters inner monologue is a hit or miss for me. One person (usually main character) inner monologue is one thing, but when a game has inner monologues for many of it's characters, often time it doesn't work for me because often time the writer is not good enough to be able to write inner monologues for that many of their characters.

It's definitely hard to realistically describe even the inner thoughts of the different characters, it's hard enough already to describe their external appearance, words and acts. You need to know them very well and also how to describe a realistic instance, because if you only know how they are, but don't know how to write a good situation, it will come up as forced or cheesy.

 

[yossa999]

Hi there Jufot, how've been you been? Been way too long.

I've come to ask your opinion on a few titles.

Chasing Sunsets: I know the author. They're someone that's actually lived, has a life, and and based off of their own life experiences. this one I especially would like your thoughts on

Streaming for Love: The person that recommended it to me compared it to Leap Of Faith, before it fell apart.
The Missing Part
Sort of Justice

Edit: I also forgot to ask, what have you liked that's come out in the last 2 years? Anything that you'd especially recommend?

Edit: Also, while I'm here, Rebirth Episode 1 was my favorite VN for years, and is still one of my faves, and I hope to get to the rest of the series now that it's complete. I'd love to hear your spoiler free thoughts on the series.(well, spoiler free past the first episode anyways.)

My 2 cents on "The Missing Part". I enjoyed the prologue, but if you are easily emotional or sensitive, I would suggest you wait until the next chapter. The prologue contains a tragic part of the MC's past and ends at the lowest point, leaving a very strong, albeit depressing impression, playing on the contrast between how happy the MC is at one moment, and how a tragic event turns his life upside down the next.

I can only assume that the protagonist should leave the past behind and move forward, especially considering the "harem" tag.
Although personally I am wary of it because in the prologue I did not see any prerequisites for the plot to develop further in the direction of a harem.

 

[MalkavianVamp]

Iam offtopic but if you wanna play a game with great story play Xenogears that game story is legendary also my favorite rpg vampire masquerade bloodlines is my favorite western rpg for it's characters and story and malkavian clan especially and also nosferatu but my favorite is malkavian for visual novels it's house in fate morgana

 

[moskyx]

Alright, I will reply to the comments addressed to me already and then leave the discussion for somewhere else. I don't know if a possible LOF Hate's Club thread would be accepted by forum rules (or against any other game), most people are so touchy nowadays that you can never be sure.



The author is totally trying to manipulate you, making you think that if you prefer any other girl, then her ultimate demise would be on you because you are selfish. That somehow you HAVE the responsability to save a girl which doesn't want to be saved, and you have to screw your own life because of that. It's wrong, plain and simple.



Neither of those, in general I don't go out of my way just to offend other people, I prefer to express my opinion where it wouldn't, like I don't want others to go out of their way to offend me.

But in particular with a game like this, which was so popular for reasons I can't understand but I suspect it might be because it resonated with touchy people, I prefer to express my opinions elsewhere than stirring up the hornet's nest. I'm not an asshole so as I wouldn't go into an epilepsy forum to post epilepsy inducing images and videos, neither I want to go to the official thread to call their beloved game a nasty piece of work.



I totally agree, there are many completely over the top games but which are really fun. I can think of Once in a life time and Eternum by Caribdis as prime examples of this, both are harem hentai ported into the western AVN genre, but he got the fantasy parts right and the women throwing themselves at the protagonist also feel right inside the lore because it's not so blatant and unwarranted, so I'm not always against over the top stories and action.

But Leap of Faith is obviously trying to be based on reality, on the reality of a male Mary Sue seducing women left and right with totally unrealistic conversations. The rockstar first conversation was, and I'm not saying this lightly, the most unreal event I've ever seen in any fiction artwork. If you know ANYTHING about adult life, you know a story with dragons, elves and dwarves is more feasible than that.



I mean, I'm not sure I myself could write realistic women characters, but I do realise when they are realistic or not.



NOT "random" women, as I literally said just the particular subset of women which are female spies. I can tell the facts and name the names to prove this is the truth, as in the truth in real, actual life, not in fantastic stories by writers who know absolutely nothing about real life female spies (or male spies, for that matter, which are the male counterpart).



Let's do the club brother, I'm not sure if it's allowed by forum rules (to open a thread against a game, I just recently started reading here), but if it is, let's write the ultimate testament on how the game is everything wrong about AVNs.




I FORGOT ABOUT THE LESBIANS, damn, my mind would probably rather forget so it tried to protect me from this shitty story.

Those slutty lesbians which are just straight women waiting for MC's redemption, are the ultimate 12 years old boy image of how lesbians might be, without actually being in real life. Being a DIK got this so much more realistically done, so it isn't just impossible to be portrayed.

I took for granted the game was close to 10 years old because it's so technically outdated compared to the other major Renpy+DAZ games. But no, it looks like it's recent Much older games look so much better...




I can confirm, he would need to be incredibly heavy and strong to stop her from falling at that very last moment, even if she would just weigh 50 kg/110 lbs, because a free falling object quickly starts gaining linear momentum which makes it very difficult to stop. Gravity acceleration is very significant, even though many don't realise it because we are used to be attached to the floor, but speed and linear momentum when free falling increase very rapidly.



I ALSO HATE IT, and I pity the fool who thinks this is a great game, because it's just the opposite.

I couldn't believe how bad it was because the praise was general and immense, I thought it was just a very early game, or that the early part was rough around the edges but it would improve (like many other games), or that my dislike for the author trying to get you to love his favourite character was preventing me from enjoying other aspects of the game. BUT NO, the game is JUST BAD at everything.



I've never claimed to speak for everyone, but I do have experience with these things.




For me, the early scenes in Being a DIK are a good example of a well done mix of story and dating simulator experience.

But one thing is being required to "win" in a dating simulator, and another one is looking at a totally unrealistic story in which women throw themselves at you for no reason.




I agree, when thinking about how to fix this game, removing the harem set up and giving the chance to just help Cece, without romancing her, would be the first to do.



It's definitely hard to realistically describe even the inner thoughts of the different characters, it's hard enough already to describe their external appearance, words and acts. You need to know them very well and also how to describe a realistic instance, because if you only know how they are, but don't know how to write a good situation, it will come up as forced or cheesy.

My 2 cents nobody asked for, regarding the 'hateful' comments towards certain game I never played. If you played this game and found it laughable, or didn't like how some topics or characters were portrayed, or experienced whatever other issue, you have several options.

First, by clicking on the stars you see at the top of the game's thread you can write an honest and respectful review to warn potential players about these shortcomings - you'll be helping some fellow forum users by letting them know about the aspects you didn't like and, depending on whether the dev is active on the forum, you may also help him improve his next games by tackling those issues if he feels your criticism has a point. You won't get any direct reply to your rating so there won't be any discussion about these things you 'hated' from this game - you might upset some fans but that's all, since hardly anyone would come out to get you for a respectful, negative review. So it's a clean and effective way to speak your mind with no forum drama attached.

Secondly, you can engage in a discussion in the game's thread. Basically the same as above, but this time you'll surely receive direct feedback to your criticism -and you might not like it. Handle with care.

Third, you can create a thread in the General Discussions subforum to voice your opinion. You may not get any substantial feedback, only memes and trolling, but it's possible to find people who agree with you (you could also find people willing to fight your opinion, of course). You'll feel good with yourself having stated your opinion publicly, and won't be derailing the game's thread.

All of the above are better options than stating a fiercely negative opinion (and then look for supporters and rejoice in those shared feelings, slowly turning the discussion into a dogpile) in a thread made for suggestions like this one. Sure, there are some negative comments about games in here, but we try to keep those discussions about negative experiences to a minimum. This is not where we trash games, but where we say why their stories didn't hook us -and especially, where we share the titles that did hook us. That's it. If there's nothing good to say about a game, just let it go and make your peace with the fact that other people out there have different tastes.

 

[Pgsurprise]

I think the games from lewd labs

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are story driven. But, there is a lot of sleep sex and other noncon that will turn some people off. Dreams of Desire, and off shoots, is complete. Midnight in Paradise is in work, but far along.

 

[yossa999]

I don't know if a possible LOF Hate's Club thread would be accepted by forum rules (or against any other game), most people are so touchy nowadays that you can never be sure.

Why not, unless you make it the name of your thread. Call it Critical Cece's Cafe or whatever you like and unleash your critical heart

As long as it's in the off-topic section of the forum and there are no kinkshaming, personal attacks or rule 7 violation, mods shouldn't bother you unless one of them is a LoF fan.

Neither of those, in general I don't go out of my way just to offend other people, I prefer to express my opinion where it wouldn't, like I don't want others to go out of their way to offend me.

What made me yuck about your post was that "I know better" tone of superiority, even if it wasn't intentional, even if you made the remark that it was "you think". But still, generalizations like "NOBODY interested in story heavy games should play it" already set me up for a negative attitude towards everything you gonna say next. This is reminiscent of the famous opus of one guy who collected all his preferences regarding what a good AVN should be and called it "12 rules for a good game." Rules, yeah.

But in particular with a game like this, which was so popular for reasons I can't understand but I suspect it might be because it resonated with touchy people, I prefer to express my opinions elsewhere than stirring up the hornet's nest. I'm not an asshole so as I wouldn't go into an epilepsy forum to post epilepsy inducing images and videos, neither I want to go to the official thread to call their beloved game a nasty piece of work.

Haha, but it works the other way too: critics become so touchy and aggressive when someone doesn't accept their point of view and argues with their statements. Such well-known critical techniques as calling the opponent a fanboy or a dev's ass licker are immediately set to use.

But I'm glad that you think it's an asshole move to shit on what other people love and consider important to themselves, even if you don't like it. I totally agree with that. On the other hand, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so I don't see any problem with people expressing theirs, as long as it's not just an insult to the game, its developers and its fans.

I totally agree, there are many completely over the top games but which are really fun. I can think of Once in a life time and Eternum by Caribdis as prime examples of this, both are harem hentai ported into the western AVN genre, but he got the fantasy parts right and the women throwing themselves at the protagonist also feel right inside the lore because it's not so blatant and unwarranted, so I'm not always against over the top stories and action.

I played a chapter or two of Eternum when it first came out, but found it extremely bland and boring, and abandoned it and never returned back. I often see Once in a life time on the first page of downloads, but until now I haven't seen enough there to attract my curiousity and play it. Sorry
And LoF doesn't force you to play the harem route, in fact I don't even remember if anything is possible other than a few different throuple endings.

But Leap of Faith is obviously trying to be based on reality, on the reality of a male Mary Sue seducing women left and right with totally unrealistic conversations. The rockstar first conversation was, and I'm not saying this lightly, the most unreal event I've ever seen in any fiction artwork. If you know ANYTHING about adult life, you know a story with dragons, elves and dwarves is more feasible than that.

Well, here we go again. It's obvious for whom it's trying to be based on reality? It's obvious to me that it's an erotic fantasy, mostly a comedy with dramatic elements. How about Chasing Sunsets, it's extremely popular too, does it look realistic? BaDIK maybe?

Why look too far, the OP of this thread with the list of recommendations - in any game on the list you will find stretches as wide as Australia! But seems only Drifty is responsible for the entire genre to you.

I mean, I'm not sure I myself could write realistic women characters, but I do realise when they are realistic or not.

And that's because you know all the real women and how they all behave. Damn, I envy you, man.
To me, female hentai characters look way more unrealistic than any of LoF's girls. Even anime guys make my palm meet my face all the time. Nosebleeds as a sign of arousal, damn.

 

[TheimmortalP]

Wow Jufot, it seems like you've had a bad year as far as new games are concerned. Only one game on your list is from this year, and its the latest Elsaverse game.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on Gemini, and I hope that next year is better for you.

 

[Beduin123]

I can confirm, he would need to be incredibly heavy and strong to stop her from falling at that very last moment, even if she would just weigh 50 kg/110 lbs, because a free falling object quickly starts gaining linear momentum which makes it very difficult to stop. Gravity acceleration is very significant, even though many don't realise it because we are used to be attached to the floor, but speed and linear momentum when free falling increase very rapidly.

You got everything right. I may only add that the force of the falling body is directed at an angle to the MC's body. If he would be just standing on the edge of the bridge he still could hold her by the arm. But he is bent over the edge, probably standing on one leg, since he just jumped there and had no time to take a steady position. There are only two outcomes in this situation. Either he let her go or she brings him down with her over the edge.

hird, you can create a thread in the General Discussions subforum to voice your opinion. You may not get any substantial feedback, only memes and trolling, but it's possible to find people who agree with you (you could also find people willing to fight your opinion, of course). You'll feel good with yourself having stated your opinion publicly, and won't be derailing the game's thread.

All of the above are better options than stating a fiercely negative opinion (and then look for supporters and rejoice in those shared feelings, slowly turning the discussion into a dogpile) in a thread made for suggestions like this one. Sure, there are some negative comments about games in here, but we try to keep those discussions about negative experiences to a minimum. This is not where we trash games, but where we say why their stories didn't hook us -and especially, where we share the titles that did hook us. That's it. If there's nothing good to say about a game, just let it go and make your peace with the fact that other people out there have different tastes.

This is a thread in General Discussions and we are discussing here how the story affects a particular game (in a good or bad way). You are not the topic starter, so you cannot set the rules here.
I don't mean that we have to turn this thread into something negative, but I don't see a point why shall we be banned from occasionally voicing out less than flattering opinion about a game, especially the one that is considered by many as something like a story-first champion.

 

[Finuee]

You got everything right. I may only add that the force of the falling body is directed at an angle to the MC's body. If he would be just standing on the edge of the bridge he still could hold her by the arm. But he is bent over the edge, probably standing on one leg, since he just jumped there and had no time to take a steady position. There are only two outcomes in this situation. Either he let her go or she brings him down with her over the edge.



This is a thread in General Discussions and we are discussing here how the story affects a particular game (in a good or bad way). You are not the topic starter, so you cannot set the rules here.
I don't mean that we have to turn this thread into something negative, but I don't see a point why shall we be banned from occasionally voicing out less than flattering opinion about a game, especially the one that is considered by many as something like a story-first champion.

There can be all kinds of fun subtext to such a scene, though.

 

[Beduin123]

I think the games from lewd labs

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are story driven. But, there is a lot of sleep sex and other noncon that will turn some people off. Dreams of Desire, and off shoots,

Oh, no. I don't want to continue the negative trend but Dreams of Desire is definitely not a good example of story driven game. I'd better not to repeat myself but just quote my review from the game's thread:

"While the graphical part of this game is generally OK (the graphics are old and a bit outdated, though gradually improving towards the end), the animations aren't bad, showing the scene from different angles, it is the plot and the writing in general, where the problem lies.
This game reminds me one of those "parody" porn films which pretend to have a plot, but in general nobody believes in that and doesn't care
The MC is one of the worst kind I've seen in these games. He is 21 but totally immature, uninspiring and dull. He act and thinks all the time like 15 years old horny virgin teenager (actually he is a virgin for the first half of the game).
The dialogues and characters are boring as hell.
The lewd scenes in the first half are repetitive grinding, mostly when the victim is asleep. After that they become just average hardcore porn.
There is no cuddles or anything after the sex for the most of the game. The characters just cum, say "OK, time to go, I have lots of things to do, seeya later".
The plot is about magic and fantasy, I accept that, but it has too many holes.
The girls in the game are kinda hot (though the models look too plastic), but they somehow do not inspire any emotional attachment.
All in all, the game is just for faps. There are better completed incest games, even of the same age with similar graphics but much better writing."

 

[Impenitent]

...real life spy women are cold, soulless whores which would NEVER marry a nice guy AND THEN REGRET DUMPING HIM...

Have you known a lot of spies?

 

[camube]

Alright, I will reply to the comments addressed to me already and then leave the discussion for somewhere else. I don't know if a possible LOF Hate's Club thread would be accepted by forum rules (or against any other game), most people are so touchy nowadays that you can never be sure.

anyone can make story games discussion alternative to this one. it's just up until now nobody hasn't. i don't want to make one either. but if anybody else make one, i'd check it out too