Yeah, that's another thing I saw while reading those three posts. How long you've been in the scene too.
I don't know the history of AVNs and stuff, but from what I remember those early html games she made were some of the only adult games that had a story. I don't remember anything else like it at the time. And, if I remember right, it wasn't the html boiler template common today. Much cleaner.
WTF It's the most unreal thing I ever saw in a story, and I'm including fantasy games with magic, hentai games etc... This is the typical hentai experience but this was supposed to be a game with a serious story.
Interesting points, so games like Leap of Faith are good for audiences which want a very fast and stylized rollercoaster ride of emotions.
but they are always somehow displayed as at the very top of attractiveness for their sex (roughness, extreme muscularity, violence and lifestyles full of danger for males; pretty faces and bodies for females). They are never normal nobodies, for that you need to look at the Mary Sueness of other dubious pieces of artwork like Twilight or 50 sades of Grey. The protagonist of Leap of Faith IS a Mary Sue, intentionally, he himself said he was a retired cleaner.
Also agree. I actually ended up in this thread today looking exactly for that.
Yeah, I don't know much of the AVN history either. All I remember is when I got into western VNs, High Life was the most visually polished AVN I had seen.
WOW amazing, it's like you can read my mind through the screen, it's exactly how I feel, it's like everything is so crazy you go from being sad to having women come out from everywhere specifically for you, we went from 0 to 100 in less than 5 minutes and it's overwhelming to think that all the women in this game are not happy and for some reason you are the only one who can give them what they are looking for, it's stressful because you will hurt all the others which is fucked up, maybe if they weren't so lacking in affection I wouldn't feel so bad but it's hard.EXACTLY LIKE THAT, I'm eager to do a full bomb review on how that game is a massive turn off and has every element which make an AVN wrong. I bought it after it was finished because it had such high praises I took for granted that the game was at least serviceable.
I thought about writting the review in the game's thread, but it's probably full of fanbois and I understand they won't like to read it.
So, for the time being, these are the reasons why I think the game has a TERRIBLE story development and interactions with women, and NOBODY interested in story heavy games should play it:
1º Women throw themselves at the protagonist for no reason at all. Even a rockstar singer he didn't know beforehand does it after a 2 minutes chance conversation
2º Story development and interaction with women looks like it was written by a 12 years old boy with 0 experience about real, actual 18 to 50 women. Except for one character (more on this on 3º point), they don't talk like that, they don't think like that, they don't act like that and they for sure don't interact with a nobody man like that.
3º The main LI is a textbook young BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) with suicidal tendencies. This is the point I might be more biased to think this isn't any kind of groundbreaking element in the history of storytelling, because if you never knew one you might be impacted. But if you had any kind of dating experience (either fuckboi or just looking for a LTR) or if you happened to interact with one for a mid to long period of time, then they aren't any kind of positive surprise to you. You wouldn't feel sorry for them and wouldn't want to have any of it with them, because you would know they are trouble asking for help they will reject when offered, among many other toxic behaviours.
This is the most realistic character in the game, I suppose it's because I read somewhere that the author based this game on her daughter, which commited suicide, so he knew BPDs well. It's an odd thing to do a tribute to your suicided daughter in the form of a porn game, but that's the way it was. The other women are taken out of a 12 years old boy fantasy, very shocking for a man which had sons, you can presume he had to deal with at least a woman.
4º I couldn't put up with the game for long, but from what I know from my gameplay experience and what I read from others, you get a hentai harem in place just to be required to end up with only one. And the story is presented, as hard as it could, for you to end up with the BPD. Really? The game sets up a hentai harem for you just to be REQUIRED to choose only one? I get it had to be the BPD because it's the author own daughter, but then why setting up the harem story.
5º I couldn't put up with the game for long enough to check this myself, but I know from reading spoilers that the protagonist was married to the perfect, loving and caring woman, which dumped him by suddenly disappearing, and it results she did it because she was a spy. LOL WTF then again hentai fantasy here, real life spy women are cold, soulless whores which would NEVER marry a nice guy AND THEN REGRET DUMPING HIM. They might marry a nice guy if it suits them, but they would never care about it, they would just ride onto the next dick with absolutely no regrets, because all they care about is they themselves.
I couldn't finish the game but I'm sure the end is a shitshow as shitty as the beginning and mid parts.
I just can't understand how the game became as famous and as well rated, it's really subpar at every possible level, I thought it might be because it was released many years ago (like in 2016 or something like that) and it was ground breaking then, but no, it was finished in 2022 so it's not old.
I can't even figure out if this is a show of superiority over the "fanbois", contempt for them, or fear of being rejected and not getting validation in their "pathetic fanboish community." Why you care about "fanbois" opinions when deciding whether to publish your review of a game.
Wow, I'm not a big fan of LoF, although I think it's a decent story-driven adult game and it has its moments that make it worth playing despite all its flaws. But I still don't see how my interest in a story-heavy games can stop me from enjoying lighter, comedic stories like LoF, where the comedic and uplifting moments still outweigh the tragic elements of the plot. Some adult stories prioritize pacing and excitement over realism, but that doesn't make them bad.
Haha, now probably 90% of the AVN developers and scriptwriters of TV shows and films have burst into tears and walked away into the sunset.
Never has a comment left me feeling so conflicted. I read a bit that has me saying "yes, exactly, I agree!" (LoF is a bad game) which sadly is immediately followed by some deranged screed. Generalizations galore, calling random women whores, unironically using "nice guy"... Not once, not twice, but soo many times...
Welcome to the club of LoF haters. I just cannot believe how bad this game is, seeing all the positive reviews. All the characters are dull and boring, speaking in cliches. The MC is the worst. He and his BF try to goof around but it feels annoying, just like a bunch of stupid teenager's jokes. And his job is basically aEXACTLY LIKE THAT, I'm eager to do a full bomb review on how that game is a massive turn off and has every element which make an AVN wrong. I bought it after it was finished because it had such high praises I took for granted that the game was at least serviceable.
I thought about writting the review in the game's thread, but it's probably full of fanbois and I understand they won't like to read it.
So, for the time being, these are the reasons why I think the game has a TERRIBLE story development and interactions with women, and NOBODY interested in story heavy games should play it:
1º Women throw themselves at the protagonist for no reason at all. Even a rockstar singer he didn't know beforehand does it after a 2 minutes chance conversation
2º Story development and interaction with women looks like it was written by a 12 years old boy with 0 experience about real, actual 18 to 50 women. Except for one character (more on this on 3º point), they don't talk like that, they don't think like that, they don't act like that and they for sure don't interact with a nobody man like that.
3º The main LI is a textbook young BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) with suicidal tendencies. This is the point I might be more biased to think this isn't any kind of groundbreaking element in the history of storytelling, because if you never knew one you might be impacted. But if you had any kind of dating experience (either fuckboi or just looking for a LTR) or if you happened to interact with one for a mid to long period of time, then they aren't any kind of positive surprise to you. You wouldn't feel sorry for them and wouldn't want to have any of it with them, because you would know they are trouble asking for help they will reject when offered, among many other toxic behaviours.
This is the most realistic character in the game, I suppose it's because I read somewhere that the author based this game on her daughter, which commited suicide, so he knew BPDs well. It's an odd thing to do a tribute to your suicided daughter in the form of a porn game, but that's the way it was. The other women are taken out of a 12 years old boy fantasy, very shocking for a man which had sons, you can presume he had to deal with at least a woman.
4º I couldn't put up with the game for long, but from what I know from my gameplay experience and what I read from others, you get a hentai harem in place just to be required to end up with only one. And the story is presented, as hard as it could, for you to end up with the BPD. Really? The game sets up a hentai harem for you just to be REQUIRED to choose only one? I get it had to be the BPD because it's the author own daughter, but then why setting up the harem story.
5º I couldn't put up with the game for long enough to check this myself, but I know from reading spoilers that the protagonist was married to the perfect, loving and caring woman, which dumped him by suddenly disappearing, and it results she did it because she was a spy. LOL WTF then again hentai fantasy here, real life spy women are cold, soulless whores which would NEVER marry a nice guy AND THEN REGRET DUMPING HIM. They might marry a nice guy if it suits them, but they would never care about it, they would just ride onto the next dick with absolutely no regrets, because all they care about is they themselves.
I couldn't finish the game but I'm sure the end is a shitshow as shitty as the beginning and mid parts.
I just can't understand how the game became as famous and as well rated, it's really subpar at every possible level, I thought it might be because it was released many years ago (like in 2016 or something like that) and it was ground breaking then, but no, it was finished in 2022 so it's not old.
I enjoyed it for a while. Unlike most games, I thought the humor worked. And I thought it was well written and some of the characters had interesting depth.
Fortunately you don't speak for everyone, or accurately portray everyone for that matter. Some people will be in relationships with people with BPD -and other disorders, and some people with them will get help.
The mix between trying to tell good story and the need to provide "dating simulation" does not always work. In a lot of AVN games, it doesn't work that well.Interesting points, so games like Leap of Faith are good for audiences which want a very fast and stylized rollercoaster ride of emotions.
This is totally beyond me, I'm really clueless about how this might be possible, and I for one enjoyed:
The other actors are extreme cases of fast and furious
- Top Gun 1 romance, it was reasonably realistic for a movie, and an action move at that. Tom Cruise was an outstanding fighter pilot (it was considered the sexiest military role) and she worked at the academy, he was peak physique including a pretty face and he acted very alpha and careless of danger. The relationship developed slowly while both played their game, not suddenly forced by external events. I've seen relationships like that IRL all the time. Days of Thunder romance, on the other hand, felt very much forced and I think this is a much better example (at least for me) of what you meant than Top Gun 1.
- I enjoyed both Before Sunrise and Before Sunset, still having Before Midnight pending. Someone told me there was a 4th instalment planned but one of the protagonists didn't want to film it so it stalled. Considering they were movies, I didn't feel the relationship development was fake or over the top. Even though specially the first one would have never happened today because absolutely nobody would commit like that anymore after a single night, but at the time (1995) it was very much alright. I think those are the most relevant Ethan Hawk movies for this topic, but there might be better examples of him with fast romance/action.
The over the top action movie that comes to my mind when thinking about unbelievable romances is Transformers 1, that a very nerdy and socially clumsy Shia LaBeouf could romance "bad girl into bad boys" prime Megan Fox is indeed the stuff of science fiction.
There's a lot of AVN like this tbh. Leap of Faith is not alone on this point. This is why to me, characters inner monologue is a hit or miss for me. One person (usually main character) inner monologue is one thing, but when a game has inner monologues for many of it's characters, often time it doesn't work for me because often time the writer is not good enough to be able to write inner monologues for that many of their characters.
Your comment reminded me of vdategames that I played a long time ago. Characters would be loosely found in each other's stories and I enjoyed the stories that came out of them. It's been so long since I played them that I do not remember if they were story first. But it certainly did have narratives from what I remember.
Probably was me comparing it to LOF , since I made a few post like that 1 on this site and 2 on reddit. I was only comparing how sad and hard the game hit me emotionally like LOF but overall it isn't meant to be sad at all. One part can be sad depending on how you take it personally and how much blame you put on the MC for his misfortune and break up.
ah i thought it was you. I will say it did take me until either the end of CH 1 or part way into CH 2 to get into the game then by Ch 3 I was feeling all the things I was feeling that I stated in my post with how hard the game hit me lol. But objectively id say it's just an average game
Btw, since I can talk freely about F95, how vital is that crack? Will it just give me some nice extras, or is it the only way to access thegame past chapter 2?
