I would not call anyone an idiot)) but you're absolutely right about "paying for silence ..." this is of course nonsense. whether he will make an update or not, it does not matter anymore. the very fact that people give money for nothing, I don’t even know what to call it. yes, how to manage money is the right of everyone, but still.try being a teir 4 supporter,he goes missing again and again and again-nearly everyday he checks this site-3.07 today - all through his vanishing acts hes been here on f95 but wont speak here or on patreon.even now 246 idiots are paying him over £660 a month for his silence.you want an update tell the 246 idiots to stop paying him and see how fast he updates.
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finally one person to agree with me.... some shaming reasons in that case ....theres 246 reasons he is still there £661 a month
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sorry thats how i feel,promise after promise has been broken by saddog he has become a joke by any standard of dev on f95,the fact that he comes here to check on things makes it even worse ,never mind his patrons whom he does not give a shit about yet they pay him-what would you call them?
My dude, I was a Spoony patreon back in the day. I am very much familiar with the thoughts of bitterness that comes with looking at someone make grands just by coasting on old fame while doing nothing. Which yeah, is wrong.try being a teir 4 supporter,he goes missing again and again and again-nearly everyday he checks this site-3.07 today - all through his vanishing acts hes been here on f95 but wont speak here or on patreon.even now 246 idiots are paying him over £660 a month for his silence.you want an update tell the 246 idiots to stop paying him and see how fast he updates.
But there is a difference between a scammer and simply someone enabled by the nature of patreon funding to let their levels of inspiration and mental state to dictate their work output instead of, you know, treating the whole thing like a job. As they should.
We can be bitter. We can hate the target of this unfairness in the world and speak out against them. But we can't choose what kind of villain they are, simply so they most accurately fit our emotional state.
Saddog wronged us so now he is automatically the worst kind of developer of porn games in this industry of ours? The Scammer kind? I don't think so. Let things be as bad or as a good as they are and not a bit more.
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Just stumbled across this the other day, gave it a play and while it could definitely do with some polish it's impressively solid. Hope the dev's just taking a prolonged and unannounced Hiatus and resumes work some day, because very few other games have managed to actually make me enjoy playing them quite so much.
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with their actions they create our emotional state towards them,in the past i have defended him,then it got to pleading with him for contact both here and on patron.this is not the first disappearance nor will it be the last when he comes back.the fact that two more people have become patrons to a dev who has taken over £660 a month since his last apperance in march,for a game that has been marked abandoned here with no contact to his patrons.you dont think he is a scammer and that is your right-i do.decent devs will communicate and if development of project stops they will suspend your payments if they cant meet their promises.patrons pay a dev to develop a project and expect the rewards as outlined in whatever teir they sign up for-when a dev fails to do this,patrons should ask why-after six months this time its time to call it what it is.
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have you tried the saz mod,its 1 update behind(working on it as we speak)but has more scenes than earlier game
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I did, but I didn't realize it wasn't up-to-date with the main game. That might've been the source of a significant amount of the "missing polish" I came across, because I installed it with 9.4b. Worked surprisingly well, though, I didn't notice anything game-breaking.have you tried the saz mod,its 1 update behind(working on it as we speak)but has more scenes than earlier game
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the game for me is much better with the mod-it can take some time to update but its worth the wait
No, the developer does not communicate enough to keep the forum "active" that is why it got tagged abandoned. It is not the first time and may not be the last time that happens.
Have a great day and be safe...
I find the whole discussion about his patreon and update cycle rather shitty tbh.
The money he currently makes isnt even on social welfare level where i live and if it is his second income its probably high enough so that he would have to pay some taxes for it and patreon is of course also taken its cut.
So lets say he made around 5000 bucks per year average, so like 20k and take taxes and patreon of of that and he may have made 15k at most, i guess.
That's for making a game that has around as much, if not more content than most other games here and he isn't complete roque, but just isnt doing monthly updates.
Because that would probably even cut more into what content he can make as every release itself is costing time itself for testing and rounding scenes up and stuff and would probably not be enough content to make anyone really happy anyway.
So if this is his second job kinda i would expect him to spend around 40 hours a month on this project compared to other side jobs and what are you guys expecting how much content one does make in such amount of time?
And if someone isnt happy hes free to not spent money on patreon! Just do a 1 month and then cancel to kinda buy into somoenes project noone is forcing anyone to pay for 4 years in a row every month.
Anyone that is spending money on patreon and is expecting that it pays out in the future is an idiot imo.
Always pay for what's already presented and then stop, if you can't afford to throw away your money or see it as a gift.
In the real world you get paid at the end of the month for your job not at your first day. Why would anyone think that giving someone money on patreon entitles them to get something in the future... your fucking morong
simple calc
40 hours x 10 month x4 years are around 1600 hours for the project as projected as a side job.
yeah thats 2 whole months vacation and sickness time per year.
15k / 1600 are rounded up 10 bucks an hour
and that is max im pretty sure that he spent way more hours and made overall less money.
Then theres asset costs and of course power and hardware.
So crying around here that someone made less money, making a game for you, than he would have made spending that time flipping burgers at MC D, is just ridiculous imo.
There are people out there that made way more money with projects that took way less time to build. That flappy birds guy for example spend not even a month on that thing i bet and made millions!
And there are tons of projects out there like that.
You guys live on a fantasy communist planet were people arent allowed to make money or what?
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Add to the calc that a developer or graphics guy cost around 4 to 5 k a month for a company. So that makes the whole project like 3 to 4 month of fulltime value. Which would give you around 640 dev time hours at 4 month at regular 40 hour weeks.
So really, were the fuck is the scam?
The money he currently makes isnt even on social welfare level where i live and if it is his second income its probably high enough so that he would have to pay some taxes for it and patreon is of course also taken its cut.
So lets say he made around 5000 bucks per year average, so like 20k and take taxes and patreon of of that and he may have made 15k at most, i guess.
That's for making a game that has around as much, if not more content than most other games here and he isn't complete roque, but just isnt doing monthly updates.
Because that would probably even cut more into what content he can make as every release itself is costing time itself for testing and rounding scenes up and stuff and would probably not be enough content to make anyone really happy anyway.
So if this is his second job kinda i would expect him to spend around 40 hours a month on this project compared to other side jobs and what are you guys expecting how much content one does make in such amount of time?
And if someone isnt happy hes free to not spent money on patreon! Just do a 1 month and then cancel to kinda buy into somoenes project noone is forcing anyone to pay for 4 years in a row every month.
Anyone that is spending money on patreon and is expecting that it pays out in the future is an idiot imo.
Always pay for what's already presented and then stop, if you can't afford to throw away your money or see it as a gift.
In the real world you get paid at the end of the month for your job not at your first day. Why would anyone think that giving someone money on patreon entitles them to get something in the future... your fucking morong
simple calc
40 hours x 10 month x4 years are around 1600 hours for the project as projected as a side job.
yeah thats 2 whole months vacation and sickness time per year.
15k / 1600 are rounded up 10 bucks an hour
and that is max im pretty sure that he spent way more hours and made overall less money.
Then theres asset costs and of course power and hardware.
So crying around here that someone made less money, making a game for you, than he would have made spending that time flipping burgers at MC D, is just ridiculous imo.
There are people out there that made way more money with projects that took way less time to build. That flappy birds guy for example spend not even a month on that thing i bet and made millions!
And there are tons of projects out there like that.
You guys live on a fantasy communist planet were people arent allowed to make money or what?
edit post add:
Add to the calc that a developer or graphics guy cost around 4 to 5 k a month for a company. So that makes the whole project like 3 to 4 month of fulltime value. Which would give you around 640 dev time hours at 4 month at regular 40 hour weeks.
So really, were the fuck is the scam?
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There were a couple of points where his Patreon was making over 3k a month (A decent bit more than you make flipping burgers); It no longer does, I assume because people are tired of the total lack of communication leaving them wondering if he's dead, if he ran off to argentina, or just not communicating (it's at least not the first of those three, since he's still browsing here regularly). From what I can tell, this isn't even the first time he's just disappeared without a word.
If he's not the type to keep people updated when there isn't much of significance to talk about, whatever, but it definitely seems like it'd be better for everyone if he even so much as said "yeah I'm still working on it" every few weeks (or that he's quit) so the people who already enjoy his game enough to become patrons could at least know that their money is (or isn't) actually going to help make more of it.
i don't know the fact that he doesn't communicate with anyone about his plans or anything really even with his patreons
or his website that hasn't been updated since 2017 or have a free ssl
take a year to release an update for just 3 or 4 new scenes while other games on this site that do more with less or even less with more but at least they talk about it they have plans they share
or where you think 5k isn't a lot of money specially for doing nothing or the minimum and let's assume the project doesn't make him enough money to justify working on it so why keep it a live just kill it and be done and move to other thing unless the money is good and he want to keep milking the people that keeps paying him
but hey i'm not the one paying him so i guess it's none of my business just my 2 cent about it
This game needs to be played over and over from the beginning .
It needs a remake, no sandbox, too confusing.
When is the update?
It needs a remake, no sandbox, too confusing.
When is the update?
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Note the abandoned tag on the thread.
Nobody knows if there is going to be one except the developer, who's been MIA for 5 months
I kinda made my point money wise But even with higher numbers i think my point is still valid.
In short it came out for a simple calc with higher income at around 55k he would probably made 20 bucks and hour with the imo way too low work hour count of 1.6k i used before.
There are a shitton of pix in this and quite enough events in the sandbox and text, then you get programming and testing.
So i have no problem to double my initial hour count to over 3k spent on this cause he wasent a profesional and working alone.
I kinda still have my doubts that the guy even made a proper 10 bucks an hour in the end over the whole project at this point in time.
I also think that there are a lot of games and apps out there were devs really got undeserving amounts of money in end for their projects.
FIFA makes billions for selling you basically the same game every year,
GTA is spending not even a fraction on development on the online mode compared to the billions they get from it, same for RDR.
Pubg mobile makes ridiculous amounts of money of of kids. And they developed the main game in under a year and the mobile version will probably have taken them another 6 months at most.
Minecraft guy made 1.5 billion selling the company and game rights to microsoft.
How can you complain about a guy making around 15k per year when there are people on this planet raking in over 100 million per year.
And i'm not a white knight but i think its far from a scam comparing overall projected income time it took to make and what people got for it up to this point imo.
And communication can sometimes even bring more problems than it would solve.
Just look at icstors shitshow it doesent matter what he says the complainers going to complain regardless of what is being said or promised. And just saying one is working isnt needed since that is kinda implied by taking further money at this point and people tend to complain regardless anyway.
So why even bother with making promises you may cant keep and then get even more shit for it.
From my point of view its ok if a dev is cashing in for a bit if he did work constantly for years underpaid, to get at least closer to what its worth in the end. In the end its the patreons fault for getting angry if they have expectations that arent met in the end as all fund plattforms bare the risk to throw the money away for nothing.
Btw Games don't stop selling on steam after 3 month either, regardless if anyone is working on them or not.
And yes it would be sad if this would never got a nicer finish but from what i saw it was basicly done with most acts these games deliver.
In short it came out for a simple calc with higher income at around 55k he would probably made 20 bucks and hour with the imo way too low work hour count of 1.6k i used before.
There are a shitton of pix in this and quite enough events in the sandbox and text, then you get programming and testing.
So i have no problem to double my initial hour count to over 3k spent on this cause he wasent a profesional and working alone.
I kinda still have my doubts that the guy even made a proper 10 bucks an hour in the end over the whole project at this point in time.
I also think that there are a lot of games and apps out there were devs really got undeserving amounts of money in end for their projects.
FIFA makes billions for selling you basically the same game every year,
GTA is spending not even a fraction on development on the online mode compared to the billions they get from it, same for RDR.
Pubg mobile makes ridiculous amounts of money of of kids. And they developed the main game in under a year and the mobile version will probably have taken them another 6 months at most.
Minecraft guy made 1.5 billion selling the company and game rights to microsoft.
How can you complain about a guy making around 15k per year when there are people on this planet raking in over 100 million per year.
And i'm not a white knight but i think its far from a scam comparing overall projected income time it took to make and what people got for it up to this point imo.
And communication can sometimes even bring more problems than it would solve.
Just look at icstors shitshow it doesent matter what he says the complainers going to complain regardless of what is being said or promised. And just saying one is working isnt needed since that is kinda implied by taking further money at this point and people tend to complain regardless anyway.
So why even bother with making promises you may cant keep and then get even more shit for it.
From my point of view its ok if a dev is cashing in for a bit if he did work constantly for years underpaid, to get at least closer to what its worth in the end. In the end its the patreons fault for getting angry if they have expectations that arent met in the end as all fund plattforms bare the risk to throw the money away for nothing.
Btw Games don't stop selling on steam after 3 month either, regardless if anyone is working on them or not.
And yes it would be sad if this would never got a nicer finish but from what i saw it was basicly done with most acts these games deliver.
It's disappointing that the developer's production appears to have fallen off again. I just recently began playing the game, and I'm unsure how many scenes still remain available; specifically in the corruption and ntr routes. I found this page on e-hentai:
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there appears to be quite a few more ntr scenes I have not yet encountered. Are all/most of these in the game? Or were they likely bonuses made for Patreon?