Things you're tired of seeing in a game?

[Squark ⚧❤️]

"Ordinary Guy"
"Underachiever"

That arsery that is the double peace sign or whatever the fuck it is. It ruins so many otherwise super lewd shots in my opinion.

 

[MrSancini]

Bald MC's that doesn't look like bald, instead, they look like a normal haired guy, just without the hair. It is the uncanniest of uncanny valleys.

Mind control games.

 

[Sphere42]

Mind control games.

My main gripe there is that I don't recall any proper mind control games. Most of the time it's some vague bullshit excuse to move the plot in a specific direction but the implications of that power existing in the world aren't really thought through very well. And if the game pretends to give you control it usually still feels like you're railroaded like in any other game with "consenting" partners due to inherent system limitations. Those games tend to lean towards maledom and female humiliation so you'll see commands such as pissing herself or banging a stranger in a public toilet reasonably often, but with that level of control over the victim there is no in-universe explanation why I wouldn't be able to make her ride me, give me a footjob or wear her swimsuit around the house. The real life explanation is painfully obvious though: no dev team can ever cover all halfway reasonable choices.

By contrast mind control/hypnosis inflicted upon the player is fairly easy to do well enough as you just remove whatever controls the player normally has access to for the duration.

 

[Jonboy80]

My main gripe there is that I don't recall any proper mind control games. Most of the time it's some vague bullshit excuse to move the plot in a specific direction but the implications of that power existing in the world aren't really thought through very well. And if the game pretends to give you control it usually still feels like you're railroaded like in any other game with "consenting" partners due to inherent system limitations. Those games tend to lean towards maledom and female humiliation so you'll see commands such as pissing herself or banging a stranger in a public toilet reasonably often, but with that level of control over the victim there is no in-universe explanation why I wouldn't be able to make her ride me, give me a footjob or wear her swimsuit around the house. The real life explanation is painfully obvious though: no dev team can ever cover all halfway reasonable choices.

By contrast mind control/hypnosis inflicted upon the player is fairly easy to do well enough as you just remove whatever controls the player normally has access to for the duration.

Superpowered probably has one of the best mind control mechanics I've seen.

 

[SoulsSurvivor]

Superpowered probably has one of the best mind control mechanics I've seen.

Now if only the game was actually complete instead of the "abandoned but dev doesn't really want to admit that it's abandoned so they marked it as complete" state it is in now.

 

[Taboo-Sho]

*Snip about mind control*

I think mission mermaiden does it right, if you have the hypno helmet on during the 2nd boss you get a cutscene where one of the main villainesses captures you and mind controls you. Its a really good scene.

 

[Sphere42]

I think mission mermaiden does it right, if you have the hypno helmet on during the 2nd boss you get a cutscene where one of the main villainesses captures you and mind controls you. Its a really good scene.

What is your point? I was mainly complaining about games claiming to give you control not inflicting it upon you. The latter still is challenging to make an entire game around in my opinion unless it's already a linear kinetic novel or very light on sex scenes to begin with. Based on the preview pictures the game you named is not built around mind control but rather features it in a small handful of scenes as a means of rape, that is the easy variety.

 

[Lunarius]

If there's one thing I'm sick of seeing in VNs and porngames, it's protagonists who randomly do inexcusably stupid things.

I'm not talking about protagonists who are morons from the get-go. Those are actually kinda bearable, because you know what to expect.

No, I'm talking about protagonists who seem like normal people initially, and who then randomly do things that are utterly retarded. Stuff that they had no reason for doing. As if they just lost 50 IQ points all of a sudden.

It's bad enough if that's used as a setup for humour (as in, "let's all point and laugh at how retarded the protagonist is"). But it's so much worse if the character is actually reprimanded and punished for that stupidity. Why is that? Well, you're the player. You're looking through the protagonist's eyes. So basically, it's actually *you*, the reader/player, who's being laughed at or reprimanded.

Surprisingly, one of the worst offenders in this regard is a VN with a female protagonist - Nurse Love Addiction. Even though the protagonist in that one is not exactly the brightest bulb in the tree, she's still a nurse in training who knows full well that trying to comfort a bedridden incontinent girl by pissing herself in the middle of a hospital hall is an astoundingly bad idea in every possible way. Oh, and did I mention that you can't avoid this scene? This VN does have choices, but not when it comes to this clusterfuck! No, you get the pleasure of being railroaded through doing something utterly mind-bendingly stupid with no way to avoid it, and then half an hour's worth of content of getting reprimanded for it. All from a first-person perspective.

..

Other than that, all the things that I'm tired of have already sort of faded away anyway.

Incest plots, for example. Mother-son incest especially. I don't mind or care if other people fap to this, but I just loathe it. Instant bonerkiller for me, and it can actually ruin an otherwise good game for me.

But hey, we all know what Patreon did!

Hence, the workarounds that games like Zombies' Retreat and School of Lust got are just perfect. Now people like me get to enjoy these games without running into any literal motherfucking, while the people who do like incest get to patch/customize the game to restore it to its former incestuous glory.

Best of both worlds.

And the other thing I'm really tired of? This tired old "virgins always bleed"-thing.

It was (and up to a point still is) everywhere in the Japanese stuff. But the days that the Japanese had a monopoly on visual novels and non-crappy porngames are long gone. There's now a huge selection of Western VNs and porngames available, both in manga/anime style and semi-realistic 3DCG. And even though the Western weeb stuff does tend to reproduce Japanese clichées, the "virgins always bleed"-thing isn't one of them.

But you know what is worse than a school setting? When a University setting is made into a School Setting. Really, maybe it was for me, but my school and university life were really different. Just the freedom i had in uni was epic.

Holy fuck, this.

I groan every time I see a game that's set in "college" even though it's obviously just a highschool.

Sure, I get why creators do that - they don't wanna take risks with Patreon's bullshit. Merely slapping the "everyone's totes 18, pinky swear"-label on it is not enough anymore these days, so anything with a highschool setting is now tricky business unless you pretend that it's actually about college.

Not that that makes the result any less cringeworthy, though. Looking at you, Taffy Tales...

(yeah, I know that the school in Taffy Tales really was a highschool in earlier versions of the game. And I know that the creators were just trying not to get banned. But it still doesn't work)

 

[Jonboy80]

And the other thing I'm really tired of? This tired old "virgins always bleed"-thing.

It was (and up to a point still is) everywhere in the Japanese stuff. But the days that the Japanese had a monopoly on visual novels and non-crappy porngames are long gone. There's now a huge selection of Western VNs and porngames available, both in manga/anime style and semi-realistic 3DCG. And even though the Western weeb stuff does tend to reproduce Japanese clichées, the "virgins always bleed"-thing isn't one of them.

Holy hell, I forgot how much this annoys me. I'm forty-three years old and I have been a girl's first around four or five times. Not once has my dick been coated in blood like Carrie was during prom. There has been some specks here or there but, for the most part, I wouldn't have noticed, if not for the initial resistance one felt (plus her letting me know beforehand).

 

[RandyTyr]

I groan every time I see a game that's set in "college" even though it's obviously just a highschool.

Sure, I get why creators do that - they don't wanna take risks with Patreon's bullshit. Merely slapping the "everyone's totes 18, pinky swear"-label on it is not enough anymore these days, so anything with a highschool setting is now tricky business unless you pretend that it's actually about college.

I agree. If you go to a certain length in pretending that your highschool is a college, it may be better to just go ahead and make it an actual college. The even worse companion trope is when we get an unholy blend of a teenager and an adult as protagonist. If you tell me I'm playing a teenager, I have much more tolerance for temporary stupidity and innonence, but if you just spend a lot of effort of convincing a prospective censor that the guy is totally an adult it becomes weird. Either make a choice, or make a patch.

 

[SoulsSurvivor]

I agree. If you go to a certain length in pretending that your highschool is a college, it may be better to just go ahead and make it an actual college. The even worse companion trope is when we get an unholy blend of a teenager and an adult as protagonist. If you tell me I'm playing a teenager, I have much more tolerance for temporary stupidity and innonence, but if you just spend a lot of effort of convincing a prospective censor that the guy is totally an adult it becomes weird. Either make a choice, or make a patch.

Oh hey we can go even deeper with this, a supposed 18+ person acting like a 10 or below child is probably one of the worst version of this. Happens a lot in Japanese games because I swear those games are obsessed with children.

 

[MrSancini]

One thing that I think is mostly misused and annoying, is the supposedly MORAL CHOICES that have the same problem as Mass Effect's moral choices.

What I mean is, certain games that have actions that are splitted in Good or Bad or Alpha or Beta (or insert any two polar opposites here). Those are annoying because that's reducing every choice to Black and White. Because sometimes, the "Good" choice are the bad one in terms of how the character acts, and in sometimes, the supposed Alpha choice are the bad one in terms of character development.

 

[Meaning Less]

Because sometimes, the "Good" choice are the bad one in terms of how the character acts, and in sometimes, the supposed Alpha choice are the bad one in terms of character development.

That's the point of those choices. Sometimes you make evil decisions in order to save someone or vice versa.

The point is playing how you want and not just clicking the colors as if you are following a walkthrough...

 

[MrSancini]

That's the point of those choices. Sometimes you make evil decisions in order to save someone or vice versa.

The point is playing how you want and not just clicking the colors as if you are following a walkthrough...

I get this point, but sometimes, the GAME is presenting the options through some color coded bullshit at the beginning like @ the introduction:

In this game, you can be a Emasculate Alpha, the leader of the pack, the savior of mankind or you can be a Beta Cuck, softie yada yada

Yep, I took this description above from my ass, but I saw in some games descriptions like that.

I think my biggest problem with those choices, is that the game presentation already makes you see everything as black and white, while the narrative says it isn't (like the "Evil" choice being the correct in order to save someone, as for example: Sucker punch a possible rapist, while the "Good" choice of trying to talk the situation leads you to being stabbed by said rapist). This problem is also on the the Mass Effect trilogy with the Paragon/Renegade choices, which have the same level of BS IMO, but I'm on a tangent with this.

 

[Kali Steele]

End game pregnancy is the bane of my existence, I wish more games had it spread throughout instead of tacked on at the end.

 

[justcuriousyouknow]

I'm going to say my two cents. Please understand, I'm just annoyed/frustrated with these issues. There are those who won't find issues with these things, or enjoy some of them, but with how little of a pool there is of games I've searched for has led me to be irritated at best. I tried softening the language as much as possible:

1.) I'm tired of games that actually have an all romancable male cast, or is femdom, but the MC is ONLY. SUBMISSIVE. Never being allowed to play a dominant character for most of those gay games and BARELY in a femdom game that isn't abandoned. Yes, I know there are players who enjoy that. It is irritating to see a game pop up with a high percent chance of catering to subs only or mostly. Or the ongoing games that manage to grow so incredibly good being only those sub targeted games.

I'm not saying they shouldn't exist, or should automatically cater to doms too, just that it's annoying that so little games cater to doms outside of the straight male centric games.

2.)Tired of games that have the MC acting so oblivious, a doormat, or lack so much confidence that it makes me wonder how they even knew how to breathe (or the otome/dating sim MC personality type) because either the dev believe this is a good way of exposition or because they believe/were told the target audience enjoy it.

3.)Hate when I DO find a game that allows dominant play will simultaneously force me to do submissive play with certain characters I WANT to dominate. Those who complain about that get replies from others will simply be "just do the other characters created to be dominated" or talking about how they wish other characters exclusively for doms could be allowed to dominate them.

Look, I know the reasons behind this, but if they are going to do this then devs should at least have a list of which characters are doms and which ones are going to be available to subs if they are going to be committed to doing it in that format. Don't force your players to blindly find out which character will only be sub/dom with them through their playthrough.

4.)Games that only offers one mlm scene, or one (MAYBE two) male character(s), to have sex with when the game itself is literally catered to the straight male players with all of those romancible female cast.

5.)Games that lets you play a female character who DOES act dominant but the game is more focus on making her SUBMISSIVE or break her down into a broken version of one with BARELY enough dom scenes. If a game finally DOES let the female MC be dom it's because she fucks only other females.

6.)Games that start off offering content for all only to focus on the straight/lesbian content down the line, leaving all of the gay/MC femdom content incomplete and bare. Everyone on here have said their piece about these type of games, including how they lose their way narrative and theme wise. It just frustrates me when this happens, cause that promise? That excitement it had me feeling about what it can do with the content I WANT to see in those games? Gone.

7.)Games that say to have romancable trans character, but it's only futas. No cuntboys, no male hermaphrodites, just futas. I don't mind futas, it just isn't fair that so many devs are so chill with including them but not the others. Again, I know not many are into it but if futas are going to show up, at least have the male equivalent show up if the MC can be one. Oh, and don't have it only available as a customizable feature for player characters, actually have some cuntboys or male herms in it too. The player should not be the only cuntboy/male herm in this game's existence when there are other futas walking around in game.

8.)Prison games that literally. DO NOT. Let the player play dominant unless it is a male MC in some all female prison or something. I know there are folks out there who love the prison bitch concept, but I do not. I want a prison game that, at LEAST, make it possible for the player to gain some reputation to be a prison alpha or something. Let me experience being a top dog when I put in the effort of training, learning, and making connections with the right people.

9.)This isn't with the games themselves, but I'm tired of finding some games that do NOT inform the players if the MC is dominant/switch/submissive. I have to read thousands of pages of comments not only on here but in the other sites the game is available in to find out.

10.)I cannot stand games that have the gay tag on it only to reveal that the MC, or the male character that can be fucked, is turned into a WOMAN (or futa, or shemale) and is then fucked like that. That is NOT gay, that is LITERALLY straight sex when one of them does NOT stay a man in it. Again, I know there is an audience for it, and I know the gay tag is there as more of a warning for those to avoid those scenes or to be prepared for them in those games. Just...SAY it in the description, it's tiring to search through thousands of conversations in the thread to find an answer to the "is their actual gay scenes?" question. I know there are some devs that do say this, but there are many more who don't even bother.

11.)Games that advertise to give players choices but then pull the "illusion of choice" on a dom/sub choices by either ignoring the choice picked and force the unwanted sexual action that the player doesn't want (forcing a sub in a dom scene or forcing a dom in a sub scene) or makes the choice (most of them being dom choices or choices where the MC stands up for themselves) is punished or gets a game over scene.

This is why I enjoyed games that does dom/switch/sub paths and actually keep the sub content in the sub path and as an option on the switch path.

12.)Games where devs say the unwanted content can be "avoided", but all they do is simply give the player the option to skip reading it. The scene STILL happened, the game LITERALLY lets the player know it acknowledged it happened. Even more insulting if the dev substitutes it with humor that only comes off as mocking since they still force the player's character/MC to endure the unwanted content off screen.

13.)Games that actually do have decent gay content, but then forces the player to have sex with a female character FIRST at the beginning of the game. If not that, forces the MC into being abused/raped/or be a NPC's bitch at the start of the game. STOP DOING THIS. This is not fun and it kills any interest to continue the game.

14.)I know many won't agree with me on this, but I'm tired of seeing demons. Especially seeing them being the main reason for why the plot happens or being an overpowered force/species in game. There are literally other mythical/fantasy creatures to use as a big threat. Heck, use ALIENS-not the stereotypical extraterrestrials-but some creative creatures from beyond the stars (or more lovcraftian creatures). It gets tiring seeing these demons so much, and to be honest, they get more content/attention from the story than the other creatures and cast at times. If not be boring because of how similar they all act. It would be nice for more games where corruption doesn't have demons involve as the reason behind it.

Yes, I know the whole deal with demons. However, they are NOT the only ones that do corruption or lewd stuff. PLEASE, WORK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

15.)Sissification annoys me greatly because most either transforms the male character a woman, does this ONLY TO THE MC, or ends up treating it as a transitioning to being a woman/have the use of female pronouns. It doesn't help that most games that includes some kind of gay content will almost automatically include this, MOSTLY TO THE MC. Yes, there are people who enjoy this, but it feels like some devs who want to do gay content in their games will immediately use this method most of the time and call it a day.

There are probably more, but those are the biggest issues for me.

 

[SoulsSurvivor]

End game pregnancy is the bane of my existence, I wish more games had it spread throughout instead of tacked on at the end.

This right here, I feel it in my bones. Really fucks with the pregnancy tag as well because I'm pretty sure the vast majority of content under that tag is just this.

 

[Johnny1035]

I hate when they cocktease exhibitionism. Like oooh, she's going outside naked. She's embarrassed but also turned on, she's thinking about whether she should go back home or push herself a bit fur- oh now there's a guy. Oh he saw her. Oh now they're fucking, great. Two renders/drawings/whatever of exhibitionism followed by twenty of two people having sex outdoors. Yeah, great *ehibitionism* game.

Oh what about this game? Oh, she's wearing a skirt with no panties to class and sitting in the middle row of the auditorium. I wonder if her professor will see? Oh, he did. He wants to see her after class. Aaaaannd they're fucking.

Okay, this one looks good. She's at the beach but her bikini got lost in the ocean and now she's... being raped. Great.

Alright, how about this one oh they're fucking.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

One thing that I think is mostly misused and annoying, is the supposedly MORAL CHOICES that have the same problem as Mass Effect's moral choices.

What I mean is, certain games that have actions that are splitted in Good or Bad or Alpha or Beta (or insert any two polar opposites here). Those are annoying because that's reducing every choice to Black and White. Because sometimes, the "Good" choice are the bad one in terms of how the character acts, and in sometimes, the supposed Alpha choice are the bad one in terms of character development.

yeah lets be real here though, 9/10 times the "Bad" choice offers more gameplay than the opposite, which is another complaint of mine - you can do the "good thing", but in the realm of adult games, often the "bad" or "perverse" choice leads to far more content and story.

 

[Robwood]

Alright, how about this one oh they're fucking.

Where can I find that kind of game? I've been looking for it everywhere, but so far, it hasn't shown itself.