Things you're tired of seeing in a game?

[Network 34 Games]

Continuing my airing of grievances in AVN's (hope to get a Festivus tree this year), one thing that I kinda hate is forced 180ºs of a character without a choice, like for example, in a novel, because of the author wanna be cool/edgy, suddenly the MC wants to smoke weed/do drugs. The drugs situation hits close to home on me because I lost many family members and friends to drug related issues. If presented with proper context and choices, it's fine, but when it's forced, it's just lazy writing.

Sandboxes in general are mostly no-no's for me because of the eternal grinding cycle, same goes for the Akabur-esque training games.

I'd have to push back a little bit on this. when it comes to coffee and alcohol it is just treated as "something that they do, something that they have always done"

Now i can see your point for characters being newly introduced to it, but, for example, my MC smokes weed, has for years, it's no big thing, it is what he does instead of having a beer or a glass of wine. while the player does NOT get a choice in whether he smokes or not, I'd hardly call it forced either.

if you WERE to call it forced, then surely you would have to allow the option to decline for Coffee, alcohol, meat, tobacco, medication, medical treatment and 100 other things. Delving into the realms of the truly silly.

 

[Robwood]

I'm tired of games where you have to perform certain tasks on certain days at certain times, especially when those tasks are close to each other (maybe even on the same day). Not only do I have to waste time keeping track of it all but I also have to plan the schedule. Boring! I'm trying to jerk off here, not arrange a talent show.

 

[TifasMakesMeNut]

Hmmm mostly not having a choice. Like if i play a NTR game and have to fuck every single person or else i wont have enough corruption stats(pandoras box) Grinding anything thats poorly done or made either in Renpy games or rpgmaker can also been bad. I dont mind grinding but when i cant push battle speed up or have some kind of shortcut for stuff and gonna do over and over thats bad. Having a timeset also pretty annoying where you have set days or you get a gameover and not fun. I could work if there is like some time travel stuff put in there were you reset a day or something like that. And rpgmaker games where its a on rail show with nothing in either the towns or world also bad. Seeing same maps for rpgmaker games aswell over and over with no touch from a dev also pretty bad since it kinda takes me out of it and start to remember other games were i play with that exact map loadout. I wrote lot more then i thought and could probably write more but all i listed luckily not happend too much atleast in my experience.

 

[qwsaq]

I'd have to push back a little bit on this. when it comes to coffee and alcohol it is just treated as "something that they do, something that they have always done"

Now i can see your point for characters being newly introduced to it, but, for example, my MC smokes weed, has for years, it's no big thing, it is what he does instead of having a beer or a glass of wine. while the player does NOT get a choice in whether he smokes or not, I'd hardly call it forced either.

if you WERE to call it forced, then surely you would have to allow the option to decline for Coffee, alcohol, meat, tobacco, medication, medical treatment and 100 other things. Delving into the realms of the truly silly.

I think the issue at hand here is really more about the player than the game.
Some people like to do the whole "self insert" thing where they imagine themselves in the MC's shoes. To them, "something the MC is doing" is imagined as something they, themselves, are doing. Others want an interactive story where remarkable things happen to remarkable people who do remarkable things. It's kinda like the difference between the straight men who really like to watch POV blowjob porn and those into lesbian scenes. So with the roleplay crowd, them "being" someone who smokes weed in game feels a lot more forced than it does to the voyeuristic crowd who see it as a scenario they just happen to have some limited control over.

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[zuulan]

-MTF TF games where the male becomes female at the start, fuck off with that shit, if you want a female character JUST MAKE THE FEMALE FROM THE START! You aren't creative by just having a 'male' be a 'female slut'.

Yes this is mostly no go for , me i can play female character and be wholesome or slut with it. But if i know seconds agi that "female" character was male then i just cant play it, it would still be like men suck dick or get fucked by male. So those kind of games i dont even play and if there is such game without warning , i give 1 star.

 

[Orlox]

-faux femdom, femdom that involves treating the MC like shit. THATS NOT FEMDOM! THATS ABUSE! IM LOOKING AT YOU FEMU AND 3072 AD!

A lot of the "femdom games" on here are much more about masochism than actual dominant females. In those games, the female characters are often incredibly shallow and their entire "raison d'être" is to torment the MC or any other male character and nothing else.

Unfortunately, there's this weird and all too common misconception that dominant, and this applies to both the male and female variety, is synonymous with treating people like absolute shit.

 

[shabadu]

It's not all that common, but the 4th wall breaking intro segment where either the dev themselves or one of the characters from the game pop in and handle the disclaimers and name input, etc. Especially so if they do the same fucking joke of "oh, that's the name you're going with? What a dumb name! Hyuck hyuck!" It's not cute or endearing, it's super cringe-worthy and a huge turn off. I've quit at least one game before it ever even started because of this shit.

 

[Network 34 Games]

A lot of the "femdom games" on here are much more about masochism than actual dominant females. In those games, the female characters are often incredibly shallow and their entire "raison d'être" is to torment the MC or any other male character and nothing else.

Unfortunately, there's this weird and all too common misconception that dominant, and this applies to both the male and female variety, is synonymous with treating people like absolute shit.

I gotta agree here, None of the "Doms" or Dominants I have seen have actually been Dominants. It really makes me wish that writers would learn more about that sort of thing before trying to include it in their game.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Hmmm mostly not having a choice. Like if i play a NTR game and have to fuck every single person or else i wont have enough corruption stats(pandoras box)

This so much. Or the other case is if there's some character you're trying to make progress with, and to get to a certain point you need to make progress with another character who you have no interest in.

There are ways to do this where it would make sense, like you want the first girl, but you need to get her homely best friend to trust you first. Unfortunately the way it's usually implemented, you need to fuck the homely girl then it'll move the story forward with the main girl.

Also why do so few games use variables to close off clearly undesirable routes? I'm fine with being given the options for milf or ntr or incest stuff for example, but then once the character repeatedly choses "no" to a route, why keep pestering them? It's so easy to put a variable like "ChoseMilfRoute = True" then every further interaction, if "ChoseMilfRoute = False", it closes off the seduction dialogue. "Where The Heart Is" is a particularly egregious offender of this. Best thing is, if a game is made this way, it can be popular to lovers of many different genres, because nothing gets forced at them.

 

[whizwart]

Honestly, kinda tired of lots of Black characters being the bad guy or being some animal like sex hound. Because its racist, yes, but also because its lazy writing to me. Project Miriam has a great scene where the MC goes out with her boss whose Black on an actual date and yea, they have some rough BBC sex, but its on the context of two people who care and wanna get it on and not some "black guy bang white chick next" kinda thing.

I'd love to have a story where female MC is a trophy wife of some shitty wall street banker who meets a young black guy at a cocktail party whose heading a start up or something, not the fucking janitor, and they start a relationship that has genuine caring on top of the awesome H scenes.

 

[lupy30]

OK list time.

#.Giant dicks especially ridicules size ones.
#. Smoking of any kind.
#. Repetition oh god sometimes this way over done.
#. 64bit not having 32bit option can be frustrating to say the least.
#. Landlady and roommate instead of mom and sister.
#. While I like some NTR would like option to use or not.
#. Too text heavy with not much sex happening. (I mean are sex games after all.)

There are others but stop hear gor now.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Honestly, kinda tired of lots of Balck charecters being the bad guy or being some animal like sex hound. Because its racist, yes, but also because its lazy writing to me. Project Mirium has a great scene where the MC goes out with her boss whose Black on an actual date and yea, rhey have some rough BBC sex, but its on the context of two people who care and wanna get it on and not some "black giy bang whote chick next" kinda thing.

I'd love to have a story where female MC is a trophy wife of some shitty wall street banker who meets a young black guy at a cocktail party whose heading a start up or something, not the fucking janitor, and they start a relationship thay has geniune caring on top of the awesome H scenes.

Yep, I think a big part of why I hate IR porn in general and IR-ntr games isnt because im against seeing blacks having sex, it's because the writing ALWAYS has embedded stereotypes and a humiliation aspect. It's never like the wife fucking the next door neighbor black teenager who's actually skinny anime nerd or the local golf club pro who's black, no, like you said, it's always a fucking janitor or manually laborer built like a bodybuilder who talks like a thug.

Of course im also biased because there never seems to be enough genuinely sensual hot sex scenes in sharing/ntr games, it's always an emphasis on degredation (which means little kissing, lots of gangbangs and face down stuff) - with a few exceptions like "Deliverance".

 

[Angelsong]

* Seeing the same Daz3D models in nearly every game. Sure, some of them can be tweaked to look unique and attractive but in general they all look the same and wear the same clothes. This leads to everyone looking younger than their age with zero flaws and basically the same bodies so seeing one character naked is like seeing all the others naked. I understand most developers don't want to create every asset themselves but having unique characters seems pretty important to set yourself apart.

* Horse cock for the main character. Completely kills immersion when you're wielding a giant club that shouldn't be able to go 1/4 of the way into a woman yet they all take it like champs.

* Little control over the main character. By this I mean the reader/player has no control over the MC lusting over someone and they go spying on everyone in the house or sneaking into their bedrooms without the user's choice. It's forced development that kills the game. I prefer choosing my own path and allowing for replayability.

* As someone else mentioned.. incest for the sake of it, without build-up. Just a bunch of adults living in a house and the MC is immediately sexualizing them. They may as well be a bunch of acquaintances who just happen to live together as there's no "taboo" feeling involved in this kind of setup. I want a gradual realization and possible shame that the characters must overcome, etc. And you don't have to make EVERYONE a love interest, or at least make it where you can say "no" to romancing everyone in the house. Sometimes you just want your sister to be your best friend and not your sex buddy.

 

[andrewgard1212]

Half completed and released games that get abandoned after a few updates

 

[Robwood]

I dont mind grinding...

It would be a good idea if you did, as grind is bad game design.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

* Seeing the same Daz3D models in nearly every game. Sure, some of them can be tweaked to look unique and attractive but in general they all look the same and wear the same clothes. This leads to everyone looking younger than their age with zero flaws and basically the same bodies so seeing one character naked is like seeing all the others naked. I understand most developers don't want to create every asset themselves but having unique characters seems pretty important to set yourself apart.

* Horse cock for the main character. Completely kills immersion when you're wielding a giant club that shouldn't be able to go 1/4 of the way into a woman yet they all take it like champs.

* Little control over the main character. By this I mean the reader/player has no control over the MC lusting over someone and they go spying on everyone in the house or sneaking into their bedrooms without the user's choice. It's forced development that kills the game. I prefer choosing my own path and allowing for replayability.

* As someone else mentioned.. incest for the sake of it, without build-up. Just a bunch of adults living in a house and the MC is immediately sexualizing them. They may as well be a bunch of acquaintances who just happen to live together as there's no "taboo" feeling involved in this kind of setup. I want a gradual realization and possible shame that the characters must overcome, etc. And you don't have to make EVERYONE a love interest, or at least make it where you can say "no" to romancing everyone in the house. Sometimes you just want your sister to be your best friend and not your sex buddy.

your #3+#4 together are sooooo many games and its obnoxious- "Younger sister walks into bathroom....... [Peek] or [Dont Peek] " It's almost like a default meme at this point. I wish games had the same sensitivity towards incest as ntr in that there'd be like a single warning choice "THIS OPTION CLOSES OFF INCEST vs THIS OPTION LEAVES OPEN", that would leave all players happy.

 

[MrSancini]

I think this one is more of a personal opinion rather than complaining, but a think the concept of "corruption" of a lot of games here is kinda misused. At least when you think in the story context, your character isn't corrupting no one, instead, he just makes the LI/LIs more proactive in sex related things (two examples that I can think on top of my mind is Dating My Daughter and Parental Love).

When I think of corruption, I usually associate with things like coercion, blackmail, degradation and humiliation.

Honestly, kinda tired of lots of Black charecters being the bad guy or being some animal like sex hound. Because its racist, yes, but also because its lazy writing to me. Project Mirium has a great scene where the MC goes out with her boss whose Black on an actual date and yea, rhey have some rough BBC sex, but its on the context of two people who care and wanna get it on and not some "black giy bang whote chick next" kinda thing.

I'd love to have a story where female MC is a trophy wife of some shitty wall street banker who meets a young black guy at a cocktail party whose heading a start up or something, not the fucking janitor, and they start a relationship that has genuine caring on top of the awesome H scenes.

Yep, I think a big part of why I hate IR porn in general and IR-ntr games isnt because im against seeing blacks having sex, it's because the writing ALWAYS has embedded stereotypes and a humiliation aspect. It's never like the wife fucking the next door neighbor black teenager who's actually skinny anime nerd or the local golf club pro who's black, no, like you said, it's always a fucking janitor or manually laborer built like a bodybuilder who talks like a thug.

Of course im also biased because there never seems to be enough genuinely sensual hot sex scenes in sharing/ntr games, it's always an emphasis on degredation (which means little kissing, lots of gangbangs and face down stuff) - with a few exceptions like "Deliverance".

As a black dude, I'm one for a little change in this stereotype of Black dude with a long dong who talks like a thug. FFS, people need to get creative once in a while.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I think this one is more of a personal opinion rather than complaining, but a think the concept of "corruption" of a lot of games here is kinda misused. At least when you think in the story context, your character isn't corrupting no one, instead, he just makes the LI/LIs more proactive in sex related things....

My personal belief - I attribute it towards AVNs having roots in anime culture VNs - and the associated ideas of "lewdness" "corruption" which to a western viewer could be anything as innocuous as a couple making out - so yeah, definitely agree; if someone's being "corrupted" in normal english, it's far more than just becoming more sexual - and I wish there was a distinction, since games often spill over (i.e., I want the wife or love interest to be more sexual, that doesn't mean I want her in homeless gangbangs.

 

[Cappucinn0]

- inconsisten art
- grindy game
- to much talking without any option choice (usually VN Japanese)

 

[Gwedelino]

The problem with choices is that you have as many people that hates meaningless choices than people that hate missing content, so at the end people get choices that are no more than content filter.

I decided to go full "choices are meaningful" for the game I'm working on and I'm 100% sure that I will see people complaining about why they can't have any scene with the character they decided to say "go fuck yourself" on their first meeting.