Things you're tired of seeing in a game?

baneini

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Devs not using test audiences to change basic things from 1st iteration to something 99% of people will prefer.
You're blind to your own works issues, use other peoples opinions to make the game less horrible. Not fans opinions, but peoples who don't particularly like the game by default.
It is not an optional step.
 

E_nigma

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Devs not using test audiences to change basic things from 1st iteration to something 99% of people will prefer.
You're blind to your own works issues, use other peoples opinions to make the game less horrible. Not fans opinions, but peoples who don't particularly like the game by default.
It is not an optional step.
Would you care to elaborate? Like an example?
 
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demonbra

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Dev putting to much of their own dreams / ambition in life into their player characters.
How many games did I see where MC gets a big house with a pool, a big car and a fat gun within the 5 first minutes ?
I even remember one where his first thought literally was "now I need a gun". But... Why ? You aren't in danger. No one is after your life. Why ? Why ? Is it really only because you wish you had one IRL ? Jeez... Get a license and go to the local shooting range for god's sake.

Globally Devs creating a MC to fulfill the void in their life and making him a ridiculous charmer that gets laid with every woman he lays his eyes on within the next 24h. We get it, you are frustrated because no girl want to be with you ! Go hire a hooker and leave us alone with your misery.

Male characters that aren't the player being scumbags/rapists/wimps/idiots/ugly as fuck/gay because MC has to get them all !
Because MC is the only nice (and straight) guy in the world...
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Sure... Nice. With shower peeping, yoga harassing, mind control, drug uses, incest agenda, planned infidelity, etc. Yep, nice is definitely the world I would have used.
 
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Geralt_R

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Would you care to elaborate? Like an example?
I would guess what he means is that some VNs could greatly benefit from some game testing, which is of course not always feasible because of how the project is made. Some devs tend to put their own kinks / preferences into a VN and/or make things not optional and ignore that the potential audience is maybe not so enarmored with certain kinks or plot developments. I have played various games that include mandatory anal sex or MCs that perv on women at night and there's nothing you can do about it. Why? It's great if that's your thing, but it's absolutely not great if it's not, or when the MC is a default creep who lusts after everyone even if YOU, the player, would want him to be faithful to just one LI. Or let's talk about sandbox games and grind and fun factor. Many, many HATE it with a passion, yet so many still include that in their VNs. Why?

So why make it mandatory to begin with? Something that could be easily avoided if the dev received constructive feedback from game testers, especially people coming from the outside, i.e. who are more neutral, similar to test screenings for movies where audience feedback is often used as a deciding factor for reshoots.
Several VNs otherwise have an interesting story or interesting characters, but some things put in by the dev can somewhat ruin the experience, something they could have avoided if they received pre-release feedback from "normal" people.

I would say the testing phase should come after the story is finished, but before any images are rendered, but of course that will almost always be impossible with one man projects... some people make polls on Patreons or here etc. but that's not enough really.
 
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Meaning Less

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Dev putting to much of their own dreams / ambition in life into their player characters.
How many games did I see where MC gets a big house with a pool, a big car and a fat gun within the 5 first minutes ?
Indeed, and that's not only cringe but usually gets in the way of the game. So many games force you to play with an insecure mc that is laser focused on being rich, but why? Isn't the point of adult games to unlock adult scenes?

I honestly feel like it is some sort of kink people living in extreme poverty have, to fantasize about being rich or something...
 

jamdan

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MC Creeper: We all know him. The faceless MC that peeps, creeps and and when anyone sleeps, he is...doing stuff to them. This only works in darker corruption games, nothing with "romance" or even normal corruption should have this stuff in it. Unless that character is written in a way that they're naive and curious, not necessarily being a creeper on purpose.

MC Robot: The close cousin of MC Creeper to the point they could be inbred clones. This usually faceless MC doesn't behave like a person. He doesn't even behave like a Robot, as he is far to dumb yet also knows everything as he recites facts like an old instruction manual. Nobody acts like this except and 90% of MC's. Especially the one from DMD.

Bikini Wax:
Every character in the game, from your little virgin sister to your mom who hasn't had sex since pa vanished to the hobo girl down the street. They're all perfectly smooth. Nobody has pubic hair of any kind, regardless of whether or not it'd make sense for them to. If they do by chance have some, it's a simple landing strip or something similar. No bushes allowed!

Plus-Sized:
There are no plus-sized woman in any game. Unless it's about plus-sized women specifically. Can't have a normal chubby girl hanging among the bikini models. Nope, can't do it. She might eat them or something I guess or the bikini models are gonna bully her.

Mirror Images:
The girls in the game are indistinguishable from each other. Same body types. Same way of talking. Same personality. You can take girl X and switch her with girl Y and nobody would notice. Harem games, specifically, are really bad at this.

Instant Cum:
Yeah, it may make you feel better about yourself IRL. But nobody should cum within 5 seconds of penetration. So many sex scenes are the lowest effort you can have. 1 render of dirty talk, 2 renders of penetration and then MC and the LI cum like volcanos. Also, there is never any post-sex intimacy. No cuddles. No teasing. Nothing. They don't even clean the gallon of cum leaking out of the girl or take a shower. The cum crust is probably thicker than the mantle of the earth.

Manufactured Drama:
You can't create conflict organically via an interesting plot or characters. The only solution is some sappy teen romance flick. MC is torn between fucking X girl or Y girl, so he decides to fuck them both at the same time instead. But he feels really bad afterwards. The girls are conflicted about dating MC, despite knowing he is a player. So after many agonizing nights and a little depression, they become bisexual so they can share him.

Demonic Names 101:
Almost all Demon girls, whether they're succubus girls, or demonic girls who want you to corrupt your family and friends. They're usually named Lilith. Also, if you have a vampire girl. Odds are, her name is Lilith too. Why can they not have other names? Nobody knows, but if you ever did name them differently, you'd probably go to Hell.

The Helpful Perv MC:
Similar to the other MC's listed above, while this one is less obvious, he is also a massive POS. Has your hot mom...eerrrr landlady ever had to get something off a high shelf? Did you volunteer to get it for her? Of course not. Instead, you graciously offered to hold her ass as she attempts to get the item herself. Make sure you get a good booty squeeze, but not too hard or else she'll notice and fall on you. Firmly planting her ass into your face, yet nobody gets hurt. That's what high quality butt implants can do for you. Shock and impact resistance guaranteed. They're also probably why she didn't notice you groping her until you squeezed too hard. Nerve damage from the leaking silicone.

RIP Daddy:
The only dads that exist do so for one of two reasons: They're either a variation of one of the above MC's, or they're dead for "plot reasons". Most likely dead. Because if they were alive, they'd probably not appreciate their son trying to fuck his mom and sisters. That's his job!!!
 

E_nigma

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Plus-Sized:
There are no plus-sized woman in any game. Unless it's about plus-sized women specifically. Can't have a normal chubby girl hanging among the bikini models. Nope, can't do it. She might eat them or something I guess or the bikini models are gonna bully her.
Someone hasn't played Grandma's House
 

gunderson

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Let's see. Personally, speaking of myself and for nobody else, I'm tired of...

1) Honey Select, no matter the form, unless it's very close to your absolute first release and you haven't scraped the funds together yet to get some art/are still working on learning better 3D posing software. It just looks bad and samey, and this holds for all versions. Things I'd rather see: Daz3d, real images/gifs of porn stars, even just text if that works for you. There have been some very solid text porn games over the years.

2) The morality of the game's sex acts completely conforms to current legal and moral norms, such that you wouldn't think any less of the main character if they were a real person for the sex that they have. So fucking dull. The point of a story is to have tension, and the point of a sex story is sexual tension. Who gives a flying shit if two conventionally attractive, non-related, of-age, single people who already like each other fuck each other in a porn game? Give it some damned spice! Make them blood relatives, make them both married, even just make them fucking hate each other. The answer to "why haven't these two fucked already" (or whatever number of entities you're talking about) should be the content of the porn game itself, and it should be at least a little interesting to change the 'no' into a 'yes.' Magic, mind control, a good fucking date, a combat system and saving a girl from a dragon, whatever. Also, this is supposed to be a sexual fantasy. What sad fucker's deepest, darkest sexual fantasy is having a candlelit dinner with somebody they have a real shot of actually banging IRL? That's what literally asking somebody out is for!

3) Incest without any real social prohibition on boning. Step-incest, adoption, friends of the family, whatever. I'm not saying people can't use patches to change relationships, but it's important to remember that part of what makes incest sexy is that you're not supposed to do it. This is a question of family, a larger structure than just whether or not you're blood-related to somebody, and why incest in a porn game society where incest is completely legal and permissible isn't very sexy anymore.

4) Kinetic visual novels. C'mon, at least give me some choices here. I know these appeal to some people, especially the gameplay-phobic, but I personally want at least a little game in my porn games. I'm not saying you need to make a literal big-budget RTS (and in fact, the closest example to this, Subverse, fucking sucks but for reasons unrelated to its gameplay), but acknowledge that this is actually a game and not just a novel you're making.

5) Generally toning down whatever it is you're making to accord with whatever publisher's standards. Fuck that. If you wanna make an incest game, make them blood relatives or don't do it at all, though patches are fine. If you wanna make a bestiality game, make ladies fuck dogs or don't do it at all. If you wanna make a game about fucking teens, at least give the player the ability to use an age variable (patches are A-okay here) or don't make it at all. Obviously, this doesn't apply to the 'this is my alternative to working at a burger joint and I'll just make whatever seems popular' devs, but if you have a passion to make a specific, weird game, just fucking make it a weird game.
 

ijako3

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Loud fucking music or some ambience when you're starting the game.

Romantic incest games, like can't someone make a good incest game more about debauchery of it, that doesnt turn into "oh how much i love you, lets get married" and shit like that.
 

Duke Greene

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If there's one thing that really bugs me it is what TVTropes calls IKEA Erotica.

Basically sex scenes where the text just describes what happens. Precisely. Almost clinically. Why? Why would you do this? I have eyes! Even if you were making a text-based game you wouldn't be able to get away with doing just this! The most important thing to convey in a sex scene is emotion, whatever kind of emotion it is. Sometimes context by itself can help smooth this problem, which is why vanilla sex scenes are by far the worst offenders.

Seriously I can count on my fingers the number of sex scenes in games that made me feel something. And I'm including games made by professional studios here.
 

Munchking

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Overused shit which makes me roll my eyes.

1. fucking overused Haven Park etc.

YES!!! I came into this thread with the sole intent of mentioning that park. Nowadays if I'm playing and Bench.Bridge.Trail. flashes into my vision I expect echoes of countless other scenes to be ghosting in and out of existence. Fuck Multiverse of Madness, that park is one of the true nexus points of creation.
 

pantypriv

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The MC being a rich kid; the typical inherited a lot of wealth, father is dead yadayada.

Perhaps its because a lot of the assets are "luxury" items, like huge cars, yachts and mansions?
I dunno, but I'd much rather play as an "ordinary" MC.

And...breasts that doesn't match body proportions, I want more breast diversity!:cool:
Lastly...incest? WTF? Which leads to the "landladies" as replacement roles.
(I'm giving Chasing Sunsets a pass, that (non-biological mind you!) sister is gorgeous :love::sneaky:
 

cesid

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Non games. For example a book like "game" with huge story but no gameplay. Porn games give their best when 3d with freeroaming, living npc that do stuff without MC and open world just like Skyrim.
 
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SiegsShroud

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Plot in general, if you check most of the highest rated games their plots are actually stupid, the characters have no personality and they're just sex puppets.

MC having a galactic size dong and being either super skinny or a roided out hulk.

Wildly racist depictions of people who aren't white.

Harems especially in incest games, no shot your "sluttiest sister" is going to help you fuck everyone else

Dialogue in general, they either speak like they're robots or they're cartoonishly over exaggerated

MC or his best friend speaking like an incel

The weird breaking of the fourth wall trope



I'm so glad I found this post I was coming to the forum to rant about the games anyway.
 

AelphysTerra

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* Shithead MC that is a walking plot device to see attractive women get fucked.
* Lack of body type diversity, everyone is either a super curvy, fake-boobed bimbo or a barely pubescent teen. Where's the really curvy ones? The top-heavy and or bottom-heavy ones?
* No body hair. Unless eroge operate in an alternate dimension where women lack the gene for body hair altogether it makes no sense.
* Games tagged "lesbian" and "male protagonist". Like if I want to see girl-on-girl I'd rather have a female protag get involved.
* Corollary, lesbian-presenting characters who make the male lead their one exception.
* The MC being a boring blank slate.
* A lack of intimacy in scenes. I can't get behind non-con, and I also don't like it when the people having sex don't even like each other as friends at the least.
 

TSSG59

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The one thing that makes me leave a game immediately is a lame story. Some are so bad I barely get beyond the first click of the mouse. A good story line should be the first and most important element of any game IMO. "Dad and mom died, I've got a 12 inch penis and I'm a drop dead handsome millionaire pervert", ye gods, get a grip and come up with something original and more believable.