This forum becomes a joke

[Brok TheDog]

What are reviews really for? As soon as we give a negative opinion on the games or even on the developer who either does stupid things (totally buggy games etc.), or who drags out development to milk these subscribers, we get censored. As a result, the reviews are totally biased, because only positive reviews remain.
I agree that some user posts are abused, but censoring them all opens the door to scammers. We therefore also need regulation for developers who ask for donations, when we see that a good while after 5 years of development the games are barely progressing,
If the sanctions fall (starting with the warning before the post is deleted), this would move more than one person. Don't give me the excuse that yes, they have a life, a job. Don't ask for donations if you don't have the time to devote to it, don't ask people to pay for your vacation when you're barely working on those why people are giving you money.

Sorry for this post, but since I have been on this forum, I have seen the regulations change and the moderation covering the scammers more and more instead of clearing them. This is the saturation point. I'm just waiting for moderation to review their rules and face what needs to be done for the good of the community,
otherwise the day another forum will be created for the same use with strict rules for developers, I will leave there (with certainly a part of the community which is starting to saturate too).

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

You're asking for regulations on developers on a piracy forum that's predicated on taking a devs work with no compensation? Really?

 

[Noah Neim]

I'm not sure about the review thing, plenty of negative ones exist. Coomers are very low standard anyways, I've been seeing "it's just a porn game" being thrown around alot so you can get the picture.

As for regulations, as long as the main rules themselves are not broken, technically any devs which drag development aren't scammers by definition. Plus you can argue to what extent F95 actually can police people, this is a forum for piracy, if people get scammed because a developer also chose to upload their game here, f95 can't really be blamed. It's the same thing with almost any media platform, if someone uploads content which can be considered dangerous but also doesn't break any rules, should youtube be blamed for that content ever existing on the platform at all?

 

[Brok TheDog]

You're asking for regulations on developers on a piracy forum that's predicated on taking a devs work with no compensation? Really?

What are donations? These are compensation for the latest news. And don't tell me that donations are not obligatory, according to the latest news, sort of yes. Otherwise we cannot access certain scenes or additional tools in the games. Some even go so far as to put it on steam, we are no longer sure of donations

 

[Ryahn]

Ever since we implemented reviews, it’s been an issue. I wish we would get rid of it.

 

[Brok TheDog]

Ever since we implemented reviews, it’s been an issue. I wish we would get rid of it.

This would be another solution, people would trust their own experience and would be less inclined to act like a sheep and follow any opinion.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Otherwise we cannot access certain scenes or additional tools in the games.

That's not nearly the case in every game, and these are frequently worked around. You get to play all these games, for free, and you're still complaining because some devs don't push out updates as fast as you want them to. Yes there are developers who are very slow, but complaining about that on a piracy forum is peak main character syndrome.

So I ask again, really? From my perspective you sound like a self-important, entitled jackass. I don't know if you actually are, I frankly doubt it, but that's what this post reads like.

 

[moskyx]

Review rules are clear and publicly available for those interested in rating games. Mods only act if someone reports the review, they don't patrol the review tab. Usually, negative reviews are reported more often than positive ones, as fans or even game devs may find those reviews unfair, but to actually have those reviews deleted, said reviews must actually break at least one of the rules mentioned above. Therefore, follow these rules when giving an honest and negative review, and you'll be fine. Plenty of people manage to do this every day, so I'm sure you can, too.

 

[Winterfire]

or even on the developer who either does stupid things (totally buggy games etc.), or who drags out development to milk these subscribers, we get censored.

Which plainly breaks rule 3: https://f95zone.to/threads/review-rating-rules-updated-2024-12-01.1753/

Rules that you accept everytime you make a review.

Best way not to have your post ""Censored"" is to follow the rules you agreed to.

 

[Brok TheDog]

That's not nearly the case in every game, and these are frequently worked around. You get to play all these games, for free, and you're still complaining because some devs don't push out updates as fast as you want them to. Yes there are developers who are very slow, but complaining about that on a piracy forum is peak main character syndrome.

So I ask again, really? From my perspective you sound like a self-important, entitled jackass. I don't know if you actually are, I frankly doubt it, but that's what this post reads like.

Above all, I mostly see another developer who is just looking for excuses for his colleagues. I've learned over time that trying to develop a dialogue with a developer is a waste of time. I have even seen donors being insulted (like you started doing with me,
while I remain polite) while he was content to point out the mistakes they had made. For work time, I've already given my opinion on this subject (please re-read the first post correctly this time). So I'm going to stop responding to you now before it gets out of hand.

 

[Brok TheDog]

Which plainly breaks rule 3: https://f95zone.to/threads/review-rating-rules-updated-2024-12-01.1753/

Rules that you accept everytime you make a review.

Best way not to have your post ""Censored"" is to follow the rules you agreed to.

Haaa, this rule 3. This rule that covers scammers. Because yes, this rule poses a problem (and arouses a lot of people). Because yes, these often take the time to develop and censor. Because if that and the reporting, fewer people would be interested in this part of the games which is not moving forward.
I took a look at the patreon of some developers who are not progressing, and the question I asked myself is how a person who earns up to 2 French minimum wage (I see that some have more), calculates with the lowest donations (otherwise we display the final amount directly). Why don't they hire Don't they need an extra person to work faster? Some could even quit their job and devote themselves to it full time? However, they prefer to continue asking for donations and delaying development, so why are they doing this?

 

[zaq1xsw2cde3vfr4bgt5]

please dont act like you are the reasonable one when someone calls out your jackassery. the forum always looked like a joke

 

[moskyx]

So you have problems with the people who freely decide to support certain devs you wouldn't support because their 'work ethic' doesn't align with yours. That has nothing to do with reviewing a game, as you should focus on the game itself, its features and content, not on how it's being developed. You are free to talk about that, too, but it can't be the main point of your review, or chances are your review will be deleted for, well, breaking the rules. Also, since this a pirate forum, why would pirates need to know if the developer is cashing a lot of money for very little work? That has nothing to do with the quality of the product currently available to pirate, which is the point of reviews. Just mention development is slow and you'll be fine.

 

[Steuan]

What are reviews really for? As soon as we give a negative opinion on the games or even on the developer who either does stupid things (totally buggy games etc.), or who drags out development to milk these subscribers, we get censored. As a result, the reviews are totally biased, because only positive reviews remain.
I agree that some user posts are abused, but censoring them all opens the door to scammers. We therefore also need regulation for developers who ask for donations, when we see that a good while after 5 years of development the games are barely progressing,
If the sanctions fall (starting with the warning before the post is deleted), this would move more than one person. Don't give me the excuse that yes, they have a life, a job. Don't ask for donations if you don't have the time to devote to it, don't ask people to pay for your vacation when you're barely working on those why people are giving you money.

Sorry for this post, but since I have been on this forum, I have seen the regulations change and the moderation covering the scammers more and more instead of clearing them. This is the saturation point. I'm just waiting for moderation to review their rules and face what needs to be done for the good of the community,
otherwise the day another forum will be created for the same use with strict rules for developers, I will leave there (with certainly a part of the community which is starting to saturate too).

You have a point there, mister. But unfortunately not all the negative "reviews" are actual reviews. Most of them are for trolling or pure hate against the dev.

I mean look at this . This is from Eternum's reviews. What should we call this? A review?



FYI, I reported it a week ago. But it still stays there.

 

[Brok TheDog]

So you have problems with the people who freely decide to support certain devs you wouldn't support because their 'work ethic' doesn't align with yours. That has nothing to do with reviewing a game, as you should focus on the game itself, its features and content, not on how it's being developed. You are free to talk about that, too, but it can't be the main point of your review, or chances are your review will be deleted for, well, breaking the rules. Also, since this a pirate forum, why would pirates need to know if the developer is cashing a lot of money for very little work? That has nothing to do with the quality of the product currently available to pirate, which is the point of reviews. Just mention development is slow and you'll be fine.

No, we cannot point out that the developer is slow: rule 3: The review should only be about the game, not the developer (pricing, update times, etc.).

 

[zaq1xsw2cde3vfr4bgt5]

I mean not trusting game reviews is just gaming 101

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I mean not trusting game reviews is just gaming 101

Especially from games "journalists"

 

[Brok TheDog]

You have a point there, mister. But unfortunately not all the negative "reviews" are actual reviews. Most of them are for trolling or pure hate against the dev.

I mean look at this . This is from Eternum's previews. What should we call this? A review?

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FYI, I reported it a week ago, but it still stays there.

I agree that he overdid it with the last sentence. To begin with, he gave his opinion on this experience he had. But I repeat, his last sentence shouldn't have been there, it doesn't help the developer try to improve.

Edit:
I understand the virulent message a little better. 3 years of development, 0.8 and the guy is making at least $24,000 per month. We will try to avoid rule 3, my most difficult.

For the graphics, after seeing the images, they are very good (so I think this opinion is just to detract).
For the rest of his evaluation I can't say anything,
I don't play it.

 

[zaq1xsw2cde3vfr4bgt5]

Especially from games "journalists"

I used to respect critics anyway, I know they have deadlines and whatever but advertisement is all they are good for, it's all bad historians and bad gamers I just don't care anymore

 

[moskyx]

No, we cannot point out that the developer is slow: rule 3: The review should only be about the game, not the developer (pricing, update times, etc.).

No, the review should not be ABOUT pricing or update times, but of course you can mention those factors as long as they are not the focus of your review.