This forum becomes a joke

[moskyx]

You have a point there, mister. But unfortunately not all the negative "reviews" are actual reviews. Most of them are for trolling or pure hate against the dev.

I mean look at this . This is from Eternum's previews. What should we call this? A review?

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FYI, I reported it a week ago, but it still stays there.

And it won't be deleted even if we all can agree it's clearly and obviously unfair, because it's perfectly written as a personal opinion about the game, as all reviews should. We agree it's a shitty opinion, but having weird standards or an altered perception is not against the rules. We can only hope readers are smart enough to disregard those reviews when the rest are saying something totally different.

 

[Doorknob22]

...the developer who either does stupid things ...who drags out development to milk these subscribers

If I want to understand if a game is worth my time or not, whether the developer "does stupid things" or drags development has nothing to do with what I'm reading reviews for. Many people in these forums use the reviews system to punish developers for not releasing quickly enough, adding fetishes they dislike, not adding fetishes they asked for, generally being assholes in the thread and more, all totally unrelated to the simple question of whether I should play the game.

As it happens, the amount of reviews for my own game on F95 and Steam is similar: 135 here Vs 159 on Steam and their score is also similar, about 84%. Trust me when I say that F95 reviews provide much more meaningful information to would-be players than the pile of dung that is Steam reviews.

 

[Waterthose]

Haaa, this rule 3. This rule that covers scammers. Because yes, this rule poses a problem (and arouses a lot of people). Because yes, these often take the time to develop and censor. Because if that and the reporting, fewer people would be interested in this part of the games which is not moving forward.
I took a look at the patreon of some developers who are not progressing, and the question I asked myself is how a person who earns up to 2 French minimum wage (I see that some have more), calculates with the lowest donations (otherwise we display the final amount directly). Why don't they hire Don't they need an extra person to work faster? Some could even quit their job and devote themselves to it full time? However, they prefer to continue asking for donations and delaying development, so why are they doing this?

While two people or more does increase output you run into a problem that it is no longer YOUR vision. The ideas in your head, the framing, the writing, etc as a solo dev you have total control over what you put out. Adding another person can make it go faster but can also make the project nothing like it was before. Unless your partner 100% understands everything which will NEVER happen. This isn't like working at a Mcdonalds where more employee = serving more people. This is a creative process first and foremost, adding more people will NOT make a better result most of the time.

 

[Brok TheDog]

While two people or more does increase output you run into a problem that it is no longer YOUR vision. The ideas in your head, the framing, the writing, etc as a solo dev you have total control over what you put out. Adding another person can make it go faster but can also make the project nothing like it was before. Unless your partner 100% understands everything which will NEVER happen. This isn't like working at a Mcdonalds where more employee = serving more people. This is a creative process first and foremost, adding more people will NOT make a better result most of the time.

Another one who gives excuses that are worthless . there are other aspects to creating a game, like coding mechanics, bug fixing etc... With that, if I'm not mistaken, no one touches the script. By the time the other person is working on it, the developer already has more time to devote to other things. I don't understand the change in vision of the game, the guy works for you so he has to do exactly what you tell him to do. If he doesn't, you fire him and get someone else. If we followed your reasoning, Notch would never have created Minecraft. He started alone, then created a team. Some large studios, we start alone, then we create teams. Thanks to the difference in everyone's skills, it is possible to make a game even better than we initially imagined. But wanting to be alone, stagnate when the games created could be a rare gem, that the games will not really take off because the developer will have been too full of himself to ask for help, or hire one or more competent people who could fill these gaps. It's just a shame not to want to evolve.

 

[Winterfire]

Another one who gives excuses that are worthless . there are other aspects to creating a game, like coding mechanics, bug fixing etc... With that, if I'm not mistaken, no one touches the script. By the time the other person is working on it, the developer already has more time to devote to other things. I don't understand the change in vision of the game, the guy works for you so he has to do exactly what you tell him to do. If he doesn't, you fire him and get someone else. If we followed your reasoning, Notch would never have created Minecraft. He started alone, then created a team. Some large studios, we start alone, then we create teams. Thanks to the difference in everyone's skills, it is possible to make a game even better than we initially imagined. But wanting to be alone, stagnate when the games created could be a rare gem, that the games will not really take off because the developer will have been too full of himself to ask for help, or hire one or more competent people who could fill these gaps. It's just a shame not to want to evolve.

That's such a naive vision, putting aside many successful SOLO devs (in both SFW and NSFW scene), more people doesn't equal to faster project. I get it, it makes sense on paper, but in reality it doesn't. You'd need a proper team lead to make it work like that, otherwise it will have the opposite effect. That's the worst case scenario if you have a proper contract, otherwise things can get ugly. Games like Breeding Season were killed by having a team, or do not even see the light of the day because the (usually) artist runs off.

Hiring for specific tasks works better and it is far more common, many devs (even those using HS2/KK) have animators. They're not a "team" and if one of them is gone, they hire another. Even in those specific cases, I've heard of releases slowing down because the animator's dog ate their homework and they had to delay, or [input excuse here], because at the end only the main dev cares about their own project, for anybody else it's just work (and not even important work).

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Also don't even get me started on prices. Artists are expensive sluts, their prices can easily reach 100$ for a CG.
The average dev doesn't even reach 1k a month on Patreon, so not only it means they have a real job, but it also means they get close to nothing if they also hire artists.

 

[Waterthose]

Another one who gives excuses that are worthless . there are other aspects to creating a game, like coding mechanics, bug fixing etc... With that, if I'm not mistaken, no one touches the script. By the time the other person is working on it, the developer already has more time to devote to other things. I don't understand the change in vision of the game, the guy works for you so he has to do exactly what you tell him to do. If he doesn't, you fire him and get someone else. If we followed your reasoning, Notch would never have created Minecraft. He started alone, then created a team. Some large studios, we start alone, then we create teams. Thanks to the difference in everyone's skills, it is possible to make a game even better than we initially imagined. But wanting to be alone, stagnate when the games created could be a rare gem, that the games will not really take off because the developer will have been too full of himself to ask for help, or hire one or more competent people who could fill these gaps. It's just a shame not to want to evolve.

Are you serious? Comparing AVNs to an open world do anything yourself game where the objective is to entertain yourself?
There's no story to tell in Minecraft, you're creating your own adventure as a player. For AVNs, the developers has to be the one that tells the story. These are two VERY different genres.

Don't you ever wonder why there are great artists, writers, musicians? You think everyone has the same creativity? This has got be one of the most stupidest takes I've seen. Numbers do NOT make a better product most of the time when it comes to the creative process. Sure you get more ideas but it essentially waters down everything.

It's clear YOU never created anything in your life. You giving your script to 10 different people and all 10 would interpret your ideas VERY differently. Coding and such are such a small part of creating a game, hiring a coder would not even shave that much time.

The creative process is what takes the most time in a AVN. The fact that you are trying to justify your own take against reality is hilarious. Is there devs that milk? Yes, of course, but somethings really do take a lot of time to come into fruition.

 

[Winterfire]

Coding and such are such a small part of creating a game, hiring a coder would not even shave that much time.

Eh not really, coding is quite literally the main part of a game, and keeping that system working and extensible.
Sure, RPGM and Ren'Py get most of your work done, but close to no one successful will use the default stuff, more often than not they'll require more which needs to be programmed. Some barely scrap by with popping up on discord/forums asking "how do i do this? and this? and that?" and pretty much copy/paste code and pray it works, others learn and do the bare minimum because Ren'Py/RPGM does most of what they needed anyway, and others simply hire coders.

When it comes to coders, they're not as easy to plug and play, a proper coder would document their code and make it look good enough for another coder to be able to take over, but unfortunately that rarely happens.
Saw a game go through the coder phase 3 times, and now it sits dead.

 

[Waterthose]

Eh not really, coding is quite literally the main part of a game, and keeping that system working and extensible.
Sure, RPGM and Ren'Py get most of your work done, but close to no one successful will use the default stuff, more often than not they'll require more which needs to be programmed. Some barely scrap by with popping up on discord/forums asking "how do i do this? and this? and that?" and pretty much copy/paste code and pray it works, others learn and do the bare minimum because Ren'Py/RPGM does most of what they needed anyway, and others simply hire coders.

When it comes to coders, they're not as easy to plug and play, a proper coder would document their code and make it look good enough for another coder to be able to take over, but unfortunately that rarely happens.
Saw a game go through the coder phase 3 times, and now it sits dead.

True, this is from my perspective on coding my game (which is pretty simple due to Ren'Py). Though I would normally go unren a game that has a working code of what I'd want to implement to see how it's done instead of asking how to do things.

 

[woody554]

you trust reviews.

there's your problem, they're always worthless.

 

[SloppyTurdSlapper]

Reviews on a warez Site is just as usefull as, using questionable Image hosters from the Stoneage to be used as Thumbnails.

 

[Count Morado]

What type of joke is it?

• Observational
• Anecdotal
• Situational
• Character
• One-liner
• Ironic
• Deadpan
• Farcical
• Self-deprecating
• Slapstick

 

[Lerd0]

..bruh writes trash reviews.......gets yeeted....cries about it.....
.....at least one of these threads a week.....

I will leave there (with certainly a part of the community which is starting to saturate too).

...every few months......another.....the ppl will all leave thing happens...
....and nobody fuckin leaves.....
...u are here forever......the ride never ends......

 

[Count Morado]

I will leave there (with certainly a part of the community which is starting to saturate too).

No need to announce your departure. Leave. No one is stopping you.

Choose one:

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And always remember...

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[whowhawhy]

No need to announce your departure. Leave. No one is stopping you.

i get the feeling you're telling him you hope to see him later in half the languages.

 

[Count Morado]

i get the feeling you're telling him you hope to see him later in half the languages.

I'm an asshole, but I don't need to stink.

 

[Waterthose]

There is no hope, we WILL see him later.

 

[Mr. Kin]

What are reviews really for? As soon as we give a negative opinion on the games or even on the developer who either does stupid things (totally buggy games etc.), or who drags out development to milk these subscribers, we get censored. As a result, the reviews are totally biased, because only positive reviews remain.
I agree that some user posts are abused, but censoring them all opens the door to scammers. We therefore also need regulation for developers who ask for donations, when we see that a good while after 5 years of development the games are barely progressing,
If the sanctions fall (starting with the warning before the post is deleted), this would move more than one person. Don't give me the excuse that yes, they have a life, a job. Don't ask for donations if you don't have the time to devote to it, don't ask people to pay for your vacation when you're barely working on those why people are giving you money.

Sorry for this post, but since I have been on this forum, I have seen the regulations change and the moderation covering the scammers more and more instead of clearing them. This is the saturation point. I'm just waiting for moderation to review their rules and face what needs to be done for the good of the community,
otherwise the day another forum will be created for the same use with strict rules for developers, I will leave there (with certainly a part of the community which is starting to saturate too).

Hello my dear forum colleague. I understand that you might be upset with the progress of some games or developers, but I advise, without wanting to offend you, to try to develop your own project. There are many steps to be taken and often people can get lost along the way. Does that mean they should stop trying to do something they want? I think not. It is important to keep the projects moving forward, but generalizing all developers and games because of others is not the right approach. I wish you all the best and a happy New Year to everyone.

 

[LfkCn]

What are reviews really for? As soon as we give a negative opinion on the games or even on the developer who either does stupid things (totally buggy games etc.), or who drags out development to milk these subscribers, we get censored. As a result, the reviews are totally biased, because only positive reviews remain.

You're wrong. I've written a few negative reviews before, and only one of them was removed. In that case, they interpreted it as an insult because I gave a bad example. Aside from that, none of my negative reviews have been removed. Moreover, I don't think extending a game purely for profit is necessarily a bad thing. In fact, if it's a game I enjoy, I would want it to go on forever. Writing a negative review for a quality game just because it lasts long is unfair, and it's only natural for such a review to be removed. (Just my opinion)

 

[anne O'nymous]

Eh not really, coding is quite literally the main part of a game, and keeping that system working and extensible.

This is so true...


But somehow I feel that you'll all say that I'm partial

 

[Steuan]

...it's perfectly written as a personal opinion about the game...

You kiddin' right?

The dude says "I HoPe tHErE ARe aS FeW GaMEs lIKe THis As PoSSiBlE."

How the hell is it a perfectly written review?

...and yes it should be deleted at once.

What's the point of game reviews if the mods let people to troll them or spewing hate?