Thoughts on Cuckquean and reverse NTR

[kytee]

So I know that there are people, myself included, who are deathly opposed to NTR content. In this case, NTR to me is when the male character that I identify with is cucked by another man. Although NTR is a massive turn off for me, it's a massive turn on to be the one cucking another guy. Or in the case of cuckqueaning, cucking my character's SO by fucking another woman in front of her.

My question is directed at those of you who hate NTR content: are you okay with cuckquean and "reverse NTR"?

 

[obibobi]

Only game I can think of at the moment is The Visit where the protagonist is in a relationship and there could be the potential for leaving the girlfriend for someone else.

I like the idea of another female character watching because it's erotic, but I can't say I have any particular fondness for seeing the female character made to feel bad and if you had to leave her it's just because other characters are more interesting.

 

[Rythan25]

As someone who abhors NTR, its not about sexism... Its about the crappy feelings of anger, impotence, etc that make that fetish trash-tier to me... I dont care if its the MC (male character) being subjected to it by a rival and his female LI... or if its our own MC doing it to his female LI with another woman... its still vile...

If the woman accepts it (Harem) thats completely different, and I am all for it however. I dont consider her a cuck... just that she is ok with the idea of sharing the male she chose, and even participating ( like in Love Sex and 2nd Base, and Harem Villa, Harem Hotel, etc).

 

[AmazonessKing]

I only got into it because of Star and the Forces of Evil. Good old times. And yes, I'm an avid hater of NTR.
If it's sexism, cool, I don't mind nor care, but it's simple, I'm a man, so I'd react worse towards a man getting cucked than I'd react to a woman getting cucked.

Also, biologically, makes more sense for a man to have more than one partner than a woman. Unless biology is sexist now, I think that also is a reason why cuckqueanin is not nearly as aggravating as NTR.

Finally, most cuckquen content I've seen doesn't focus on humiliation, and most of the time it ends in harem anyway.

 

[Third Wanderer]

If I don't like the character of the one getting cucked, then I don't mind either reverse NTR or cuckquean.

 

[RedPillBlues]

I'm not really a fan of reverse NTR unless the dude I'm NTR'ing is a real piece of shit, although I cant say its a turn off like regular NTR is. I'm more neutral on it I guess; Cuckquean as well.

 

[Ataios]

I'm not an immersive player, so for me it's not really "reverse", it's just clicking on different bits of text. I don't like NTR, neither with the victim nor with the offender as a protagonist. An exception would a story, where the victim has done some really horrible things and is thus punished in such a cruel way. Still I would NEVER consider it a fetish or find it sexually appealing. It would more be like the deaths of Joffrey and Ramsay in Game of Thrones.

Cuckquean again, only if the victim deserves it.

The only kind of NTR, I would genuinely like and find sexually appealing would be lesbian NTR - A lesbian stealing a man's wife. Though even in that case, the fetish would be turning a straight woman lesbian, not the suffering of the victim, who should not be much more than a side-note.

 

[Volta]

NTR doesn't do much for me, i've not got a problem with sharing, open relationships, wifeswapping ect. but the general aim of NTR to humiliate, be it a man or woman, just isn't hot to me. It just makes me think the cuck-er is a crappy human being, at which point i say that the cuck-ie is better off without them, which is totally different to above board stuff like a woman being okay with her man having a little fun with other women, or in fact the other way around though that may well imply a fem MC game which generally isn't my thing, although a man letting his wife indulge her lesbian tendencies would be pretty hot, call it double standards but i'm okay with a woman cheating on her man with a woman more than i am with her cheating on him with another man, maybe it's because the woman and man have different things to offer and i can see it as that rather than a direct competition?

 

[kytee]

Hmm very interesting replies. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the general consensus is that NTR is bad no matter what when it is detrimental to an established relationship and to one or more character's emotional wellbeing. I didn't think about it in that perspective at all. It's good to know because I now realize that my hatred of NTR stems from a different place: greed. I guess there's that childish, dickish part in me that likes to show off what other people can't have.

 

[Ataios]

NTR doesn't do much for me, i've not got a problem with sharing, open relationships, wifeswapping ect. but the general aim of NTR to humiliate, be it a man or woman, just isn't hot to me. It just makes me think the cuck-er is a crappy human being, at which point i say that the cuck-ie is better off without them, which is totally different to above board stuff like a woman being okay with her man having a little fun with other women, or in fact the other way around though that may well imply a fem MC game which generally isn't my thing, although a man letting his wife indulge her lesbian tendencies would be pretty hot, call it double standards but i'm okay with a woman cheating on her man with a woman more than i am with her cheating on him with another man, maybe it's because the woman and man have different things to offer and i can see it as that rather than a direct competition?

I think there is one major difference between lesbian cheating and straight cheating. Both is immoral and both leaves the victim disappointed and bitter. While are the end of a relationship and both leave the victim bitter, disappointed and hateful, lesbian cheating is by no means as humiliating as straight cheating. While lesbian cheating destroys the relationship as quickly it doesn't destroy the self esteem of the victim.

When it comes to fiction and games, of course, the arousal comes not from the cheating, but from the lesbian seduction of a woman who was straight before.

 

[Volta]

I think there is one major difference between lesbian cheating and straight cheating. Both is immoral and both leaves the victim disappointed and bitter. While are the end of a relationship and both leave the victim bitter, disappointed and hateful, lesbian cheating is by no means as humiliating as straight cheating. While lesbian cheating destroys the relationship as quickly it doesn't destroy the self esteem of the victim.

When it comes to fiction and games, of course, the arousal comes not from the cheating, but from the lesbian seduction of a woman who was straight before.

I quite like the idea of a Bi woman who hasn't been with a woman in so long being seduced, turning her isn't a big deal for me but the whole illicit seduction + cheating thing works for me be it straight or lesbian, of course assuming the MC is involved in the straight option.

Oddly the whole cheating thing doesn't put me off a game the way something that is designed with NTR in mind does, perhaps the whole "out of site out of mind" style of cheating, especially paired with a little regret after the fact is quite good in my book, it adds more depth and consequence to the sex scenes, where NTR just comes off as malicious.

 

[woody554]

my problem is being forced into it. in so many games the second you see another male character you know you're gonna be railroaded to watch him fuck 'your' girl. if I can (straigtforwardly) avoid it I'm fine. if I need to jump through any hoops it's probably gonna get uninstalled. usually this also means I will shit on any other male character just to avoid possible forced ntr. but it rarely works, another male in game == you're gonna be cucked 99%.

I don't have a problem with the reverse ones as for some reason it's almost always my choice, or even only available after working towards it. I still dislike being railroaded into a mff threesome, but it's not a dealbreaker because I'd probably also choose it give opportunity. but there must be a choice.

I guess the focal point is my mc must be in control of the choice. I suppose the people who enjoy it want to be forced into it?

 

[woody554]

Oddly the whole cheating thing doesn't put me off a game the way something that is designed with NTR in mind does, perhaps the whole "out of site out of mind" style of cheating, especially paired with a little regret after the fact is quite good in my book, it adds more depth and consequence to the sex scenes, where NTR just comes off as malicious.

yea, true, that seems to be different. maybe even a full ntr 'offscreen' without seeing actual sex could be somewhat okay? I don't know. but I'm sure the ntr-lovers would hate it.

 

[Volta]

yea, true, that seems to be different. maybe even a full ntr 'offscreen' without seeing actual sex could be somewhat okay? I don't know. but I'm sure the ntr-lovers would hate it.

Off screen NTR is basically a plot point for me, so i'm fine with it, so long as it's done in a way that is designed for story rather than humiliation ect. iIn fact so long as there aren't NTR scenes i'm good, in fact the best use of NTR in a game that I've seen was in the sadly never to be finished Ethan's legacy where the threat of NTR was used to cause the MC to "snap" and do something drastic, it worked pretty well as a story element IMO and no NTR was actually done or seen at all.

I get what you mean woody554 , but remember for every dozen hundred Erics there is a Liam, it is possible for a male NPC to be pretty cool and total wingman material and he proved it.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Pretty much that. Something that gets me about NTR is that time and resources on development are scarce, so wasting those in a NTR scene is enraging, specially when it doesn't have any place in there.
If you get cheated, let it happen off screen. It would feel shitty, but it would be more of a plot point than "You watched the woman you like getting fucked in front of you".

 

[woody554]

but remember for every dozen hundred Erics there is a Liam

liam was the acting lessons black guy, right? he was an awesome character. I still sometimes think about the car bit where he says yea of course I'm gonna drive slow and easy... WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! hahaha.

 

[BrokenDreams]

its not about sexism... Its about the crappy feelings of anger, impotence, etc that make that fetish trash-tier to me

Are you that much invested in your MC? good for you, and here I am just looking for some erotic scenes complemented by a good story.

 

[AmazonessKing]

and here I am just looking for some erotic scenes complemented by a good story.

Watch a porn movie with a plot. It would be basically the same.

 

[BrokenDreams]

Watch a porn movie with a plot. It would be basically the same.

I just expressed my core interest. In games you have some control over story progression. Sometimes the good guy will build a harem, sometimes the rival guy will take away your girl. Why can't I appreciate both form of storytelling? In reality both occurs(not to extreme level). I don't self insert and I don't feel like that it is my absolute duty to make the MC have all the girls.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Because you don't just progress the story, you progress the story as the MC. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be an MC in the first place.
It's basic storytelling, narrators can be omnipotent, forcing you to watch the story from the sides, or, in this case, it can be in first person. So getting invested in the MC is not only part of game mechanics, but also what separates games from other media. If you are not willing to get invested, you can just watch a movie.