Thoughts on Cuckquean and reverse NTR

[BrokenDreams]

Because you don't just progress the story, you progress the story as the MC. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be an MC in the first place.
It's basic storytelling, narrators can be omnipotent, forcing you to watch the story from the sides, or, in this case, it can be in first person. So getting invested in the MC is not only part of game mechanics, but also what separates games from other media. If you are not willing to get invested, you can just watch a movie.

The story is already decided by the developer. My job is to unfold the story through game mechanics. So, I have to take on a token character. Now with the help of this character I will get some erotic content wrapped in a good story(hopefully). But sometimes the story calls for that erotic scenes must come at the price of MC's happiness. the erotic focus shifts to the rival and now MC becomes plot point to progress the rival's story. Both form of scenarios work for me as I feel like a demigod traversing through the game universe, watching their lives and making certain decisions for them which will bring about the most erotic scenes. This is why I play porn games.

 

[AmazonessKing]

The story is already decided by the developer. My job is to unfold the story through game mechanics

You can say the same about books and movies, the difference is how you do it. And seeing how you guide the MC, token character or not, I don't see how you can't be invested. You are not "helping", you are controlling, you are not just pushing, you are moving and deciding yourself, and since the choices you made are also the choices the character makes, I don't see, again, why you wouldn't be invested.

Sorry to say this, but I think you are playing games wrong. Again, just watch a movie or read a book, you are a demigod there as well, omnipotent and omnipresent.

 

[BrokenDreams]

Sorry to say this, but I think you are playing games wrong. Again, just watch a movie or read a book, you are a demigod there as well, omnipotent and omnipresent.

in movies and books I can't control anything. At least in games my choice can have different outcomes which is ultimately determined by the developer. Some are harem endings, some are ntr endings. Everyone plays game for different reasons. I just explained my mindset about playing games and why ntr doesn't bother me. there are no right or wrong mindsets, just different philosophy. Let us agree to disagree.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Then what is it? Do you actually control, or do you "help"? That's the main difference.
And I agree to disagree, after all, if you see games as you would watch movies despite the obvious difference, I can only disagree and think you are wrong.

 

[BrokenDreams]

Then what is it? Do you actually control, or do you "help"? That's the main difference.
And I agree to disagree, after all, if you see games as you would watch movies despite the obvious difference, I can only disagree and think you are wrong.

I like to think that I help. Of course in strictly ntr games, I help myself to bring out the erotic scenes at the expense of MC.
You can't interact with Books and movies but in games, my objective is enjoy erotic scenes with good stories which are hidden behind game mechanics. In many games, you have to find certain artifacts and in porn games my goal is to discover the scenes through decision making which are complemented by overall story at large. Sometimes the mc loses but it is what the developer intended which is fine as long as the story makes sense and we get our fair share of erotic situations. I think there is no right or wrong in subjective matter. Good day, let us end here.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Then, again, I insist, you are doing it wrong. Doesn't mean you should stop doing it, but that is not how it's meant to be and how others will do it. If you just want to enjoy the erotic scenes, you have porn, because if you are not going to invest in the MC, there shouldn't be an MC in the first place, but he is there.

 

[slider]

Sorry to say this, but I think you are playing games wrong.

I think this must be the worse sentence I've ever seen in this site yet.
Dude, today alone you've made avout 50 posts about NTR. You are intense.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Prove me wrong.

 

[ChaosOpen]

I just want to point out that the OP has entirely the wrong definition of "reverse NTR." Reverse NTR is not netori, which is when you play the character stealing the cheating THOT. Reverse NTR is when the woman is being cuckolded. In other words: in a reverse NTR game there would be at least 2 women and one man. Rather than the girl cheating, it is the man cheating with another woman. Addendum: Personally, I believe it isn't a true NTR unless the one being cheating on discovers the infidelity and just accepts it, either collapsing in despair or agreeing to hang around and watch.

The only reverse NTR games I know of which has an English translation is: "Hoka no Onna no Ko to H o Shiteiru Ore o Mite Koufun Suru Kanjo" a.k.a. "My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Having Sex With Another Girl"

 

[kytee]

Okay yeah, I didn't know of the term "netori" until now that you've mentioned it. But if your gonna correct me on that, then know that your version of reverse NTR is called cuckquean which I also included in my post.

 

[Azraelith]

So, this is a mixed bag; I loathe NTR as it does literally nothing for me to get my rocks off and most of the time it's straight up prepackaged as malicious and vicious content for the sheer effort of making you the player or whoever is on the receiving end destroyed through self-esteem and impotence. Reverse NTR or Cuckquean is also kind of shaky ground. On one hand it doesn't quite get to me quite as badly as straight up Netori does, but I also dislike the whole 'doing this to hurt someone for no other reason but because you can' unless the person you're doing it to, or having it done to is a literal waste of space that doesn't even deserve to be buried.

Long story short, NTR in any form is off putting; I can play through it but unless it's a core story point then chances are I'll half-ass it/speed through the scene because it's just there to make the player feel like shit.

 

[kytee]

Okay let me throw in another factor. What if it's a 3 way relationship MFF, both girls know about each other, but the male fucks one and teases the other who's forced to watch (for the moment or that session only, no long term damage). Tease will be about how much better that girl is, etc etc.

Oh also, what if the two girls (same people) fuck each other in front of MC and tease about turning lesbian or that they prefer each other than the MC. Of course, same as before, this is only for that sex session, no long term damage. All fun and games.

Thoughts on these scenarios?

 

[Rythan25]

Okay let me throw in another factor. What if it's a 3 way relationship MFF, both girls know about each other, but the male fucks one and teases the other who's forced to watch (for the moment or that session only, no long term damage). Tease will be about how much better that girl is, etc etc.

Oh also, what if the two girls (same people) fuck each other in front of MC and tease about turning lesbian or that they prefer each other than the MC. Of course, same as before, this is only for that sex session, no long term damage. All fun and games.

Thoughts on these scenarios?

That's basically reverse NTR and NTR in the 2nd example... therefore vile at least in my eyes... as one of the posters above you already stated, I dont get sexual enjoyment just from sexual acts... if the intent is to be malicious my boner dies immediately... Key aspect of NTR or reverse NTR (which is just the guy mentally abusing the female by fucking a different female) is the asswipe bragging how much better the new sexual partner is compared to the one getting humiliated...

I think the only case where I enjoyed it (didnt get my rocks off) but laughed at least during the scene and found it acceptable that it happened is in Domiek game "Personal Trainer".... there is this character named Amy who is feeling old, and unattractive and her husband is a real piece of shit that humiliates her at every turn, so the MC in all his wisdom fucks her brains out on the dinner table and forces the husband to watch while he also berates him verbally !! Basically to me NTR is only acceptable as someone already said, when the receiver is a piece of shit, waste of space human being... even if its our MC...

if BB had Max basically be as he already is... but introduces a male that is a decent dude... I would have no problem watching that dude slowly insert himself into the families hearts... and vaginas... instead he are introduced to Eric who is 1,000 worse than Max in every possible way, and a shitty young dude that is a gold digger... so basically Max looks good by comparison to these two, and you want him to come out ahead of those two pump-less losers...

 

[ChaosOpen]

Okay let me throw in another factor. What if it's a 3 way relationship MFF, both girls know about each other, but the male fucks one and teases the other who's forced to watch (for the moment or that session only, no long term damage). Tease will be about how much better that girl is, etc etc.

Oh also, what if the two girls (same people) fuck each other in front of MC and tease about turning lesbian or that they prefer each other than the MC. Of course, same as before, this is only for that sex session, no long term damage. All fun and games.

Thoughts on these scenarios?

The game I mentioned(the one with the really long title) is that scenario. The girlfriend is so sheltered it takes her several minutes to realize what porn is but upon watching said porn decides she likes being cuckolded and so decides to hire a girl to have sex with her boyfriend. Hi-jinx ensue

I think the art is really good(even if the censorship is a bit overzealous) it but I thought the MC(the male in the MFF) ruined it in the way that he just refused to play along(being overprotective, constantly calling out to his girlfriend to reassure her, getting angry at the girl-for-hire when she played her part, etc) throughout the entire game no matter what route you chose. This all despite the girlfriend and the girl-for-hire demanding he do so multiple times because he was ruining the experience for all parties involved. Plus, in every H-scene the MC kept a running monologue about how much he loves his girlfriend and hates "cheating" on her, really prohibs you from really enjoying the H-scenes due to the whining. But it's pretty much the only reverse NTR with a translation and even if the MC ruins it there aren't really any other options so I attempted to make the best of it.

 

[khumak]

I find the naming convention for anything related to NTR to be incredibly confusing but for me it mostly comes down to the fact that when playing as a male main character I tend to just unconsciously imagine myself as the main character, as opposed to a female character where I don't do that. As far as what I do and don't like:

If the protagonist is male:
- strongly dislike seeing "my" girl(s) cheat on me with another guy
- strongly enjoy seeing "my" girl(s) cheat on me with another girl whether MC gets to join in or not (if MC gets at least some token action as well that adds to it for me)
- strongly enjoy MC having the chance to convince/blackmail/whatever my rival's girl(s) to cheat on them with me, espcially if they know it's happening or better yet are watching

If the protagonist is female:
- overall I will enjoy the game less than if the protagonist is male because I don't picture the myself as the main character, I see myself as just a spectator or puppeteer
- because of the above, the only situation where I prefer playing as a female main character is in a game where your SO(s) are going to cheat on you
- having the protagonist be the one doing the cheating doesn't bother me playing as a female but doesn't really add anything extra for me either

If I'm developing rather than playing:
- for some reason this does not trigger my usual reaction of imagining myself as the main character so if I'm developing the relationships of the different characters make no difference to me and the only consideration is whether I find the sex act itself to be hot, which characters are involved makes no difference (except MM stuff is off limits)

 

[ChaosOpen]

I find the naming convention for anything related to NTR to be incredibly confusing but for me it mostly comes down to the fact that when playing as a male main character I tend to just unconsciously imagine myself as the main character, as opposed to a female character where I don't do that. As far as what I do and don't like:

If the protagonist is male:
- strongly dislike seeing "my" girl(s) cheat on me with another guy
- strongly enjoy seeing "my" girl(s) cheat on me with another girl whether MC gets to join in or not (if MC gets at least some token action as well that adds to it for me)
- strongly enjoy MC having the chance to convince/blackmail/whatever my rival's girl(s) to cheat on them with me, especially if they know it's happening or better yet are watching

I agree, however, some games give you the opportunity to "win back the girl," which is more baffling than the NTR itself, why in gods name would anyone want to put effort into trying to win over a slut who left you due to for sexual gratification?

That being said, it could be a decent jumping-off point to tell other stories. For example, a guy finds his a video of his wife getting railed while she talks about how he sucks in bed and his dick is small etc. So, the husband decides he is going to get revenge and launches an investigation to find out more. During the investigation, he finds out the guy she was cheating on him with has an attractive fiance(the heroine) who is unaware that she is about to marry a cheater. Once he tells her, they decide to team up to take them down.

With this premise, the story can go in so many directions that an interesting story writes itself.

- A romance story of the MC and the guy's fiance as they both struggle with trust issues as they fall in love with each other but they both aren't sure due to the infidelity of their previous partner.
- A hardcore BDSM story in which both partners are captured and subjected to the kind of shit only seen in hentai.
- A simple revenge story in which both girl and guy manage to succeed but don't hook up, however both of their cheating partners are left homeless, penniless, and shunned by their friends and family.

Though it would be a massive undertaking, you could also roll aspects of those into one game and add in other endings such as:

- The guy divorces his wife but fails to get his revenge or win over the heroine, but at least manages to move on with life.
- The guy fails to get revenge but manages to hook up with the heroine, even though they don't get revenge they take solace in the fact that they at least found happiness in each other.
- The NTR good ending, guy manages to win back his wife.
- The NTR bad ending, the man decides that his wife's happiness is what matters most and he should just live with his wife's cheating lifestyle because he wants to stay with her no matter what. So, he starts to support both the wife and her boyfriend financially while they have sex in front of him as he watches in tears but does nothing to interfere.
- Lastly, really bad ending where the guy, failing to acheive anything he set out to do and left with no hope, he kills himself. To rub salt on the wound, when the wife finds out rather than feeling bad she celebrates. As, since she was married to him, all of his assets are hers, and now that he is out of the picture, she and her new boyfriend can now have a more open "legitimate" relationship as they live it up on everything her husband worked for.

 

[Asap2]

Getting NTR is call "netorare." NTRing someone else is called "netori." Hating netorare but loving netori is called being a self-centered hypocrite.

"Reverse-NTR" is, in many ways, just harem. To a male audience, netori and reverse-NTR are forms of wish-fulfillment, arguably the most self-centered and disgusting form of it. Netorare is opposite of that; whether it's disgusting is up to you but it's certainly not self-centered wish-fulfillment.

 

[kytee]

Getting NTR is call "netorare." NTRing someone else is called "netori." Hating netorare but loving netori is called being a self-centered hypocrite.

Haha yes, like I've said, I realize my love of netori comes from a place of greed. Call me self-centered but as my friend says, "You have to be a little self-centered in life, no one's gonna go out of their way to give you what you want."

"Reverse-NTR" is, in many ways, just harem. To a male audience, netori and reverse-NTR are forms of wish-fulfillment, arguably the most self-centered and disgusting form of it. Netorare is opposite of that; whether it's disgusting is up to you but it's certainly not self-centered wish-fulfillment.

I'd call it masochism but to each their own.

 

[Azraelith]

"Reverse-NTR" is, in many ways, just harem. To a male audience, netori and reverse-NTR are forms of wish-fulfillment, arguably the most self-centered and disgusting form of it. Netorare is opposite of that; whether it's disgusting is up to you but it's certainly not self-centered wish-fulfillment.

So, essentially by your standards, being NTR'd is apparently less disgusting than NTRing someone else? People like you baffle me straight up. Like, explain to me how and why being cheated/cuckolded is better than cuckolding someone else.

 

[desmosome]

So, essentially by your standards, being NTR'd is apparently less disgusting than NTRing someone else? People like you baffle me straight up. Like, explain to me how and why being cheated/cuckolded is better than cuckolding someone else.

because you are taking all the pain unto yourself like Jesus Christ. Forgive them, father, for they do not know what they are doing.