Thoughts on Cuckquean and reverse NTR

[u z i]

Getting NTR is call "netorare." NTRing someone else is called "netori." Hating netorare but loving netori is called being a self-centered hypocrite.

don't judge me man! XD

Netorare(mc gf stolen) games-i stay away from them
Cuckquean(this is actually something new for me )- not really into that as well
Netori(mc steals gf)-Hell yeah!

jokes aside, these to me are just fetishes in adult games/porn and i gave my preferences(in adult games). in real life i wouldn't want to be involved in any kind of cheating(whether it's me or my imaginary gf). just saying.
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this is my 3rd post using the Lenny face emoji today, always wondered how people made it XD

 

[khumak]

Getting NTR is call "netorare." NTRing someone else is called "netori." Hating netorare but loving netori is called being a self-centered hypocrite.

"Reverse-NTR" is, in many ways, just harem. To a male audience, netori and reverse-NTR are forms of wish-fulfillment, arguably the most self-centered and disgusting form of it. Netorare is opposite of that; whether it's disgusting is up to you but it's certainly not self-centered wish-fulfillment.

Nothing wrong with having fantasies about it. It's actually acting on them if your SO didn't have matching fantasies that would be selfish and self centered. Just like the typical MFF threesome fantasies that many guys have. Would I love to have a threesome with my wife/GF and her hot friend? Hell yeah, but unless she was into it I wouldn't make any effort to try and make it actually happen. By the same token if she has fantasies about MMF that's fine as long as she doesn't push to actually make it happen (or do it without me).

Now if both of those things are true, for some people a bit of horse trading might be in order (she makes my MFF fantasy come true in exchange for me making her MMF one come true). Personally I wouldn't take that deal but some might. Lots of people have rape fantasies and stuff as well (both being on the giving and receiving end, including women). That doesn't mean most of them would ever act on it or that they would even actually want it to ever happen in real life.

 

[ChaosOpen]

So, essentially by your standards, being NTR'd is apparently less disgusting than NTRing someone else? People like you baffle me straight up. Like, explain to me how and why being cheated/cuckolded is better than cuckolding someone else.

IMO, NTR isn't just cheating on someone, while that in itself is a pretty shitty thing to do, NTR is about humiliation and a sense of helplessness. It appeals to the most hardcore masochist who enjoy that feeling of humiliation.

Netori is the reverse side of the coin, saidst who enjoy others being humiliated.

 

[ChaosOpen]

Nothing wrong with having fantasies about it. It's actually acting on them if your SO didn't have matching fantasies that would be selfish and self centered. Just like the typical MFF threesome fantasies that many guys have. Would I love to have a threesome with my wife/GF and her hot friend? Hell yeah, but unless she was into it I wouldn't make any effort to try and make it actually happen. By the same token if she has fantasies about MMF that's fine as long as she doesn't push to actually make it happen (or do it without me).

Now if both of those things are true, for some people a bit of horse trading might be in order (she makes my MFF fantasy come true in exchange for me making her MMF one come true). Personally I wouldn't take that deal but some might. Lots of people have rape fantasies and stuff as well (both being on the giving and receiving end, including women). That doesn't mean most of them would ever act on it or that they would even actually want it to ever happen in real life.

In that case, it is consensual. NTR is telling your partner that she doesn't care about anything you've done for her, she likes cock and is willing to give up everything just to get reamed until they find someone prettier. MF plus another male in the corner in tears because he lost the thing he cares about most isn't a three-some.

 

[Deleted member 229118]

NTR doesn't do much for me, i've not got a problem with sharing, open relationships, wifeswapping ect. but the general aim of NTR to humiliate, be it a man or woman, just isn't hot to me. It just makes me think the cuck-er is a crappy human being, at which point i say that the cuck-ie is better off without them, which is totally different to above board stuff like a woman being okay with her man having a little fun with other women, or in fact the other way around though that may well imply a fem MC game which generally isn't my thing, although a man letting his wife indulge her lesbian tendencies would be pretty hot, call it double standards but i'm okay with a woman cheating on her man with a woman more than i am with her cheating on him with another man, maybe it's because the woman and man have different things to offer and i can see it as that rather than a direct competition?

Pretty much this.

At the op:
Sims 4 wicked whims has chuckqueen as a trait.
Basicly turning the woman on when she see's her man fuck an other woman.
I like that trait as i tent to roleplay as a corrupter.
Turning the bher sisters from loving sisters into depraved sex slave's is very fun for me.
But the moment MCCC make them married i lose all interest.
As much as i enjoy corrupting woman into my personal fuck toys i (and i think most men) have a clear understanding of:
She belongs to an other guy so she is off limets.
I dont know why exactly but something about her belonging to an other guy just prevents me from wanting to do anything to her.
Probley some primative insistinct from the early days of our existance.

 

[215303j]

As someone who abhors NTR, its not about sexism... Its about the crappy feelings of anger, impotence, etc that make that fetish trash-tier to me... I dont care if its the MC (male character) being subjected to it by a rival and his female LI... or if its our own MC doing it to his female LI with another woman... its still vile...

Basically this.

Although depending on the context, there can be situations where sharing / swapping / cheating can be hot.
But I need to be warned beforehand so I don't get attached to the MC and LI.
If I do get attached and the NTR happens, then it goes *delete*.

In my opinion there is no big difference if you are being cheated on / cucked, or if you are the one cucking somebody else, it's both vile, and generally I don't want an MC in which I'm immersed to act like an asshole. Depending on the context there may be some exceptions. In those exceptional cases, it may be quite hot.

 

[ChaosOpen]

Basically this.

Although depending on the context, there can be situations where sharing / swapping / cheating can be hot.
But I need to be warned beforehand so I don't get attached to the MC and LI.
If I do get attached and the NTR happens, then it goes *delete*.

In my opinion there is no big difference if you are being cheated on / cucked, or if you are the one cucking somebody else, it's both vile, and generally I don't want an MC in which I'm immersed to act like an asshole. Depending on the context there may be some exceptions. In those exceptional cases, it may be quite hot.

The weirdest part about NTR is the ugly man-pigs they use as the stealers.

btw, if you want to read a manga about a guy who gets revenge for NTR, then check out 254443. Her shock when she realizes the consequences of her cheating is priceless.

 

[DrunkMonkGar]

Both NTR and Reverse-NTR are a hard no for me. I hate them, and if a Fem-PC game about fucking around has the option to get a boyfriend and doesn't let you stay faithful, like Nymphomania Paradox, I'll avoid getting the boyfriend and ignore all the content that cuts off.

Cuckoldry and cuckquean are also held to the same standard for me. If it is consensual from start to finish and the art is good I'll roll with it. Even if the partners end up swapping permanently, like in Big Black Cock & Big Black Butt & My Sweet Wife, I'm fine with it as long as everyone is happy. Though I will say cuckquean has the advantage of not being over saturated.

I only like netori if the protagonist is a better person than the person being cheated on. Two examples from the 00s are Secret Wives Club and Adultery: His Wife is a High School Student. In the first game, the primary heroine is being cheated on by her husband, who has also emotionally abandoned both her and their son, whereas the protagonist on the right route cares for her and her child and the affection is returned. In the second game, the person being cheated on is Joe Everyman who only has enough characterization to establish they exist to stoke the sadism of the game, whereas the protagonist is a vicious rapist who terrorizes the heroine.

 

[Ataios]

Getting NTR is call "netorare." NTRing someone else is called "netori." Hating netorare but loving netori is called being a self-centered hypocrite.

"Reverse-NTR" is, in many ways, just harem. To a male audience, netori and reverse-NTR are forms of wish-fulfillment, arguably the most self-centered and disgusting form of it. Netorare is opposite of that; whether it's disgusting is up to you but it's certainly not self-centered wish-fulfillment.

IMHO it's called escapism or too much immersion, in combination with sadism. It would only be hypocrisy with it was combined with a claim to virtue, which it usually isn't. As I said, I personally I dislike both equally unless it's lesbian.

 

[215303j]

The weirdest part about NTR is the ugly man-pigs they use as the stealers.

I think the point is to make the MC (and by extension the player) feel even more worthless. It's not like the girl left the MC for a "valid reason" (e.g. the rival is better looking, even though that is also bullshit, see below)

I only like netori if the protagonist is a better person than the person being cheated on.

I kind of get what you are saying but who can define what is a "better person"?
Bigger cock? More money? Better looking?
In my opinion, none of those are valid reasons for cheating.

And if you claim emotional "abuse" (another vague term) or neglect, then the first step would be talking, then therapy, then divorce and finally the next relationship.
Not to mention that life simply happens. Job, kids, social obligations etc. all take time which can't always be invested in a relationship in the same way as when the couple was still dating. Any couple needs to learn to deal with that and find a way to make it work somehow.

Of course, in porn games there can be a different kind of logic, and some things which are immoral can also sexually stimulating. Depending on the context, like I said in my previous post.

 

[DrunkMonkGar]

I kind of get what you are saying but who can define what is a "better person"?
Bigger cock? More money? Better looking?
In my opinion, none of those are valid reasons for cheating.

Two examples from the 00s are Secret Wives Club and Adultery: His Wife is a High School Student. In the first game, the primary heroine is being cheated on by her husband, who has also emotionally abandoned both her and their son, whereas the protagonist on the right route cares for her and her child and the affection is returned. In the second game, the person being cheated on is Joe Everyman who only has enough characterization to establish they exist to stoke the sadism of the game, whereas the protagonist is a vicious rapist who terrorizes the heroine.

Looks like I covered that pretty cleanly.

 

[215303j]

Looks like I covered that pretty cleanly.

Ok, I didn't play either game you mentioned, but I'll go with your description.

Game 1) Normal woman with (emotionally) absent husband. MC comes in and steals the woman.
Like I said, the normal procedure would be talking, then therapy, then divorce and finally the next relationship.
What the MC is doing is wrong, and further it's unattractive because the woman may turn out unfaithful to the MC as well when someone "better" comes along. You may argue that the husband started the cheating, thereby giving the wife "permission" to cheat as well, but still it's a weak argument: if he's cheating, the divorce is pretty clear-cut.

Game 2) The MC is just a rapist. This has nothing to do with NTR / reverse NTR in my opinion because there is no internal struggle, no love between the woman and the rapist, no jealousy, etc. Just a guy raping a woman to gets his rocks off and/or play his fucked-up power games, nothing else. The woman is just an object and that she's married doesn't make a lot of difference.

In neither game, the MC comes off as the knight in the shining armour that every woman is waiting for. In the first game he seems an normal loser type. In the second he's a criminal who should be in prison, being "reverse NTR'ed" by Bubba, Jamal and the other inmates.

 

[DrunkMonkGar]

Ok, I didn't play either game you mentioned, but I'll go with your description.

Game 1) Normal woman with (emotionally) absent husband. MC comes in and steals the woman.
Like I said, the normal procedure would be talking, then therapy, then divorce and finally the next relationship.
What the MC is doing is wrong, and further it's unattractive because the woman may turn out unfaithful to the MC as well when someone "better" comes along. You may argue that the husband started the cheating, thereby giving the wife "permission" to cheat as well, but still it's a weak argument: if he's cheating, the divorce is pretty clear-cut.

Make that piece of media and see how it sells.

Game 2) The MC is just a rapist. This has nothing to do with NTR / reverse NTR in my opinion because there is no internal struggle, no love between the woman and the rapist, no jealousy, etc. Just a guy raping a woman to gets his rocks off and/or play his fucked-up power games, nothing else. The woman is just an object and that she's married doesn't make a lot of difference.

In neither game, the MC comes off as the knight in the shining armour that every woman is waiting for. In the first game he seems an normal loser type. In the second he's a criminal who should be in prison, being "reverse NTR'ed" by Bubba, Jamal and the other inmates.

It was a contrast. Secret Wives Club is good netori in my view and Adultery is very bad netori. And Adultery is categorized as netori.

 

[PokemasterLord]

So you ARE a fan of NTR.

While 'netorare' is the most known form of NTR (MC getting cucked), what you describbed as something you like is 'netori', which is also NTR, that its when the MC cucks someone else. The third form of NTR is 'netorase', which is when a person lets their SO fuck someone else (even encouraging them or setting them up to; swinging included).

Just wanted to point it out (if not done already, if someone did: Im sorry), so you can search around using the proper term and will find content. Maybe not here, but surely on places like doujin/hentai websites.

 

[obibobi]

Basically this.

Although depending on the context, there can be situations where sharing / swapping / cheating can be hot.
But I need to be warned beforehand so I don't get attached to the MC and LI.
If I do get attached and the NTR happens, then it goes *delete*.

In my opinion there is no big difference if you are being cheated on / cucked, or if you are the one cucking somebody else, it's both vile, and generally I don't want an MC in which I'm immersed to act like an asshole. Depending on the context there may be some exceptions. In those exceptional cases, it may be quite hot.

There is quite a substantial difference.

The main character is the character you follow around and the one you are suppose to empathize with the most. If you steal someone else's woman then that's you stealing from a character you don't really care that much about. We play games where we casually kill people, I'm not going to get worked up about one where you sleep with another guys wife.

But like you said there are exceptions, if it gets a bit too real with divorce and broken families then it takes the enjoyment out of the fantasy.

 

[215303j]

The main character is the character you follow around and the one you are suppose to empathize with the most.

Yes, but it's hard to empathise with a character whose actions you can't endorse.

We play games where we casually kill people, I'm not going to get worked up about one where you sleep with another guys wife.

I get that point, but I'd say that killing is about emotional detachment ("the other guy is not a person, he's just a target" "you have to kill him before he kills you") whereas in good story telling, particularly NTR, completely relies on the emotional turmoil taking place. Without emotions, it's just two people fucking, like visiting a prostitute, and IMHO, that's not that interesting.

The interesting part is why a woman chooses to fuck the MC instead of her husband. How she feels about that. How the MC feels about that. How the husband feels about that. How they deal with the problems arising from this. Etc.

But like you said there are exceptions, if it gets a bit too real with divorce and broken families then it takes the enjoyment out of the fantasy.

I think the trick is the balance. The story needs to be sufficiently realistic to make it hot. But like you say, divorce and broken families are not that erotic either. Although Dual Family was/is pretty popular.

But when I think about it, the exceptions for me are:
- Games in which this topic is not the main focus, but rather a side dish in a harem kind of game.
- Games which are generally light in nature, rather than the heavy / darkish realism that I prefer.

 

[khumak]

Something I still can't figure out about cuckqueen type content is that while FFM content is VERY popular and cuckhold content also seems fairly popular, cuckqueen content seems almost nonexistent. The voyeurism aspect is appealing to me and you don't really get the full effect of that in a full on FFM scene. But if you want voyeurism it seems like usually your only option is cuckhold. It's almost never a woman watching. Maybe the people making those scenes just figure everyone wants to skip that step and have the girl join right in immediately but personally I would rather see her watch for awhile first even if she's going to join in eventually so I can get my voyeurism fix.

 

[FlipperFlapper]

because you are taking all the pain unto yourself like Jesus Christ. Forgive them, father, for they do not know what they are doing.

I dont get this logic, so its fine if someone is hurt but its not fine if that someone is hurting someone else? This is additionally implying masochism is a saintful thing. Is this promoting cuckolding?

 

[ChaosOpen]

Something I still can't figure out about cuckqueen type content is that while FFM content is VERY popular and cuckhold content also seems fairly popular, cuckqueen content seems almost nonexistent. The voyeurism aspect is appealing to me and you don't really get the full effect of that in a full on FFM scene. But if you want voyeurism it seems like usually your only option is cuckhold. It's almost never a woman watching. Maybe the people making those scenes just figure everyone wants to skip that step and have the girl join right in immediately but personally I would rather see her watch for awhile first even if she's going to join in eventually so I can get my voyeurism fix.

Many people have had their fetish taken over by NTR.

Like MILFs? It's all wives cheating on their husband.
Like swinging? It starts with a couple swap type thing but the other guy ends up with a harem
Like voyeurism? Enjoy watching your wife fuck others
Like corruption? The wife is corrupted

 

[hakarlman]

Hmm very interesting replies. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the general consensus is that NTR is bad no matter what when it is detrimental to an established relationship and to one or more character's emotional wellbeing. I didn't think about it in that perspective at all. It's good to know because I now realize that my hatred of NTR stems from a different place: greed. I guess there's that childish, dickish part in me that likes to show off what other people can't have.

I'm currently trying to tackle the BASIC concept of cuckqueaning from beginning to end. Please tell me if I'm missing something or got something wrong.

Cuckquean scenario
- MC has a girlfriend.
- MC's girlfriend is very jealous at the beginning, when she first sees MC seduce women in front of her. At first, she stops the MC from any attempts at flirting with other women.
- MC points out to his GF that she gets wet every time he hits on women in front of her. MC girlfriend cannot deny this.
- Over time, MC gets GF to admit she's turned on by it.
- MC begins hitting on women in front of GF. GF gets aroused and watches.
- MC begins to enter scenarios where he can order his GF to watch or get in on the action he's setting up with the new girl. Possible Threesome's, or girlfriend watches.
- MC girlfriend remains MC's #1 girl, often dominating secondary and tertiary girls of the MC.

I want the MC's girlfriend to remain his #1 girl. In order to do that, GF must show strength in the beginning, and must establish that she has massive self worth. From there, MC has to work for it, in order to get her to accept she's a cuckquean. Does that sound right? If MC Girlfriend doesn't put up any resistance, I think it would hurt believability.

edit: or maybe as soon as the MC girlfriend sees the MC hitting on a girl, she gets aroused and encourages the MC to keep doing it, without her getting jealous, as to not show weakness and insecurity; which can be a turn off?