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[Verisimilinude]

I don't trust that site things are often not tagged correctly. And anyway I'm just annoyed he called it a hotwife story. By definition a hotwife doesn't cheat. He should have called it a cuckold story.

Fair point, things can be mislabeled or not tagged correctly (though as an author on Lit its not that easy to tag incorrectly, you have to literally type in the tag you want to add, it's not a menu system to pick from).

However you have to agree that reading the subheads for the story implies it's not a traditional Hotwife story, yes?


I think the issue here is that it's an evolving story. It started out as a trad Hotwife story (with a side of cuckoldry), then it morphed into a lot of different directions. So I get it, you read the story and you like it bc it's the story you thought you were reading and then bam it went a direction you didn't like. I can't blame you for being disappointed (if you are) but I could also argue read it up to the point you like and in your head that's where the story ends. I've said many times here on the thread that I think this story should have ended at Chapter 14 with an epilogue, but I'm invested enough to see how the story ends.

 

[Joshy92]

Fair point, things can be mislabeled or not tagged correctly (though as an author on Lit its not that easy to tag incorrectly, you have to literally type in the tag you want to add, it's not a menu system to pick from).

However you have to agree that reading the subheads for the story implies it's not a traditional Hotwife story, yes?
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I think the issue here is that it's an evolving story. It started out as a trad Hotwife story (with a side of cuckoldry), then it morphed into a lot of different directions. So I get it, you read the story and you like it bc it's the story you thought you were reading and then bam it went a direction you didn't like. I can't blame you for being disappointed (if you are) but I could also argue read it up to the point you like and in your head that's where the story ends. I've said many times here on the thread that I think this story should have ended at Chapter 14 with an epilogue, but I'm invested enough to see how the story ends.

Yeah I get it. I just like romantic netorase stories but they are so hard to find. There isn't even a tag on most sites for it. Still I'm invested in the story and I need to see how this ends even if that takes another fifty chapters lol.

 

[Verisimilinude]

By definition a hotwife doesn't cheat. He should have called it a cuckold story.

I do think you've hit the nail on the head with this comment. Lit-E could solve a host of angst for people if it would 1) sub-divide Loving Wives category or 2) create new categories for the variants of LW. This would allow people to be able to go to the type of story they want to read. But that isn't likely to occur, sadly.

 

[Oresttitos]

I dont think you been reading, Lester is the one that is behind all the bad stuffs for Sarah. He plans to get rid of her kids, he plans to bed her mom, he plans everything out, and you think he will protect her? Guys like Lester, once he is bored with her, he will toss her and her kids like old used condom. DS shows us what Lester is like, his thinking, his planning, and you think he is good for her?

I am very glad that my post has caused such a lively discussion.
I fully support the accusation of Lester as a bad guy, but in everyday life we are faced with manipulations like him and it all depends on our choice.
But why is only Lester bad? By making a projection onto myself and my wife and offering her what Dan offered Sarah, I would get such a blow that for the rest of my life I would forget about the idea of sharing. So is Sarah such a saint? Did she think about the consequences? About children, family, parents?
Did someone force her to do something? A person made a choice and reaps the fruits, and we follow it.

 

[Oresttitos]

The category this story falls into where the husband loose and the bad guy win. I been reading many many stories and watching many many japanese AV to know that this is the style for this type of category. You don't see many husbands win here, this category is all about the old ugly fat dude get the hot wife. But just seeing people thinks that the female character would be better with the bad guy is just not very logical. You know, like Lester been planning all these evils act to Sarah and her husband, get them both fire, make sex video to sell, thinking how to get rid of her kids, planning to get her pregnant....but yet, a lot of readers thinking that she would be best with a guy like that....just mind boggling to me. It is like people seeing a politician lie cheat steal murder and everything bad but still saying I would vote for the dude....or saying yeah, the wife needs to go and be with her physical or mentally abusive husband....yeah, that is good for her. I mean, I just don't understand people I guess. DS spells out how evil and bad Lester is...he hasn't say much about Lester past projects yet...I am sure Lester got many wives pregnant in the past....and we don't see those women with him or him taking responsibility for it......and yet somehow readers still thinking ...yeah, she would be happy with that dude....just boggle the mind to me.

At the expense of my desire Lester + Sarah.
Dan NPC lost his chance, losing control. Can Lester become a family man is a question I was looking for an answer to until chapter 32. In chapter 32 there was a sentence, I could be wrong:
Lester sadly heard Dan playing with the children in the backyard and Sarah noticed it.
Can a person change for the better, easily for the worse and for the better?
Sarah deep down already loves Lester, because how to love Dan and live with him all my life is hard for me to imagine and there is only one life.
She has sunk to the level of a whore and she likes it or can condemn it? From a moral point of view, yes, definitely. But whether we have the right to condemn her behavior is another question. So what's wrong with her living a happy life of a whore with Lester.
Another question is whether Sarah would break off the relationship knowing that all the troubles are from Lester.
These are all fantasies, perhaps, and far-fetched, does this deserve criticism?
So many questions and so few answers. It is the author who knows how to ask questions and make the reader think, in my opinion, who creates masterpieces.

 

[DarkStutzel]

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Sinto-me como a única pessoa aqui que quer ver o Lester e a mãe ficando, rs. Mas provavelmente sou um pouco tendencioso em relação a essa tara.

Concordo com o que alguns outros disseram, de que os personagens secundários foram uma parte mais fraca da história e preferiria que alguns deles nunca tivessem sido incluídos.

Aliás, sou bem novata nesse universo e, até agora, já li "Crônicas de um Vizinho", "As Aventuras de Cassandra" e, em dia, "Atração Tóxica". Se alguém tiver recomendações parecidas, adoraria saber!
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[Big K2]

I'm not opposed to the this sub plot as it does seem likely that DS plans on this being at minimum a tease for what may happen in the story, but it does further complicate the story as a whole. It got me to thinking about the vast number of subplots riding along side the main one.

Main Plot: Sarah's corruption
SubPlot (SB) 1: Lester's past with Lizzie (possibly pregnant)
SB2: Chronos's impatience with Lester for new material
SB3: Jessie's fatal attraction/obsession with Sarah
SB4: Byron/Archer TLG involvement
SB5: Shadow Corporate Espionage vs TLG (Likely Sentinel)
SB6: Richard the misogynistic CEO
SB7: Sentinel Involvement
SB8: Otis the Pawn
SB9: Dan's Investigation
SB10: TLG Breach by Lester
SB11: Sarah's unplanned parenthood (Fake BC pils)
SB12: FBI Investigation
SB13: Dan/Tricia Tryst
SB14: Renee Corruption
SB15: Dan/Lizzie Investigation
SB16: Lester Media Breach (By TLG/Chronos)
SB17: Sarah/Richard (to save her job) vs Sarah/Lester (to "save" her life, but also fuck with Dan)

I'm sure I may be missing a dangler here or there, but that's a lot of sub plots for one story with only 32 chapters.

U know what would be cool...Chronos being...Otis

 

[polpolp]

For ALL the chapter:
*I must be clean with Dan and tell him everything
*I can't be a prostitute for Lester to get money
*I'm messed up, so I can't make any big decisions right now
*We can always get other jobs

Then the story ends with "I'm going to fuck the bastard boss to take my job back, and won't tell Dan".

Seriously, this crap is getting worse and dumber each chapter. Looks like it's made only to please stupid clients with a cock in hand and nothing in their head.

Thats exactly what you think, Don only write for hard cuck sub and he make it longer to earn more money

 

[polpolp]

I agree. I bounced off of CC upon first read, it didn't seem like the type of story I wanted to read, but I've come to appreciate her craft and dedication. Her work with Rabblelaid on Trinity as well as most of her other work are highly recommended.

Just read the last chapter of trinity, it goes on a bad cheating road and there is to much sx scene and no character evolution. Seems like Rabbleraid influence is much more than Vivian, i dont kike Rabbleraid stories, he is not on lvl with Vivian

 

[GGCaesar]

Oh I agree there are twisted individuals in the world, hence why I said it's statistically inaccurate to say all. However to your comment about the things people say on the internet. I attribute a lot of that to the "mob mentality" effect. People say a lot of things on the internet that they don't actually believe with any conviction because that environment is an anonymous bubble.

But this goes to my point of separating fiction from reality. I can read a persons comment and understand when they are discussing the story vs. what they would want in real life.

Example: I can make the statement that "Lester is a wiser choice for Sarah vs Richard." Why? Because it makes no sense based on what's been previously written. Lester has, to this point, conditioned Sarah to accept him, and provided copious examples that he will allow her to enjoy her sexual needs and has the financial resources to "take care" of her. As opposed to her choosing Richard who is an unknown wildcard.

However would I let either of these men near my wife if they were real people--FUCK NO.

Can I disagree with you about this “Lester vs Richard” points?

I mean what about if Sarah doesn’t trust Lester and in her mind he is a little bit more than a “pawn” for sexual “gratification”? Would not be more coherent if she tries to be independent from him? Richard should be seen in this way. Of course she would depend on Richard but he would be her chief in any case.

My thinking is that people supposes Sarah is a passive actor but 32 chapters have demonstrated that she is not passive at all! She wants to keep her independence

 

[john_doe6711]

I'm not opposed to the this sub plot as it does seem likely that DS plans on this being at minimum a tease for what may happen in the story, but it does further complicate the story as a whole. It got me to thinking about the vast number of subplots riding along side the main one.

Main Plot: Sarah's corruption
SubPlot (SB) 1: Lester's past with Lizzie (possibly pregnant)
SB2: Chronos's impatience with Lester for new material
SB3: Jessie's fatal attraction/obsession with Sarah
SB4: Byron/Archer TLG involvement
SB5: Shadow Corporate Espionage vs TLG (Likely Sentinel)
SB6: Richard the misogynistic CEO
SB7: Sentinel Involvement
SB8: Otis the Pawn
SB9: Dan's Investigation
SB10: TLG Breach by Lester
SB11: Sarah's unplanned parenthood (Fake BC pils)
SB12: FBI Investigation
SB13: Dan/Tricia Tryst
SB14: Renee Corruption
SB15: Dan/Lizzie Investigation
SB16: Lester Media Breach (By TLG/Chronos)
SB17: Sarah/Richard (to save her job) vs Sarah/Lester (to "save" her life, but also fuck with Dan)

I'm sure I may be missing a dangler here or there, but that's a lot of sub plots for one story with only 32 chapters.

Nope I think you sumed everything up there..I think you should have been the one to pen TA or at least co-write...lol...IMHO

 

[john_doe6711]

Can I disagree with you about this “Lester vs Richard” points?

I mean what about if Sarah doesn’t trust Lester and in her mind he is a little bit more than a “pawn” for sexual “gratification”? Would not be more coherent if she tries to be independent from him? Richard should be seen in this way. Of course she would depend on Richard but he would be her chief in any case.

My thinking is that people supposes Sarah is a passive actor but 32 chapters have demonstrated that she is not passive at all! She wants to keep her independence

Well she should be awarded an academy award for acting if she has doubts about Lester...cause from take it looks like she's torn between family and sexual abandon..could be wrong...correct me if so..

 

[Verisimilinude]

U know what would be cool...Chronos being...Otis

Ooh I like this game...what if Chronos was actually Ned. lol

 

[GGCaesar]

Well she should be awarded an academy award for acting if she has doubts about Lester...cause from take it looks like she's torn between family and sexual abandon..could be wrong...correct me if so..

Really there are some hints in different chapters that Sarah doesn’t trust Lester completely.

Or with more precision, she doesn’t care about trusting Lester because she thought she was in control.

Now she isn’t anymore…and she goes to Richard instead of leveraging on Lester…

I am not stating that she doesn’t trust Lester, I have given as a matter of discussion that she going to Richard is not so strange from a certain standpoint.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Did someone force her to do something? A person made a choice and reaps the fruits, and we follow it.

You know my stance on this as I've said it in the past. All three MCs have slightly equal blame in the tragedy of this marriage. Taking a very high level view of the story, one could even make the argument that all three have acted selfishly in getting what they want.

So many questions and so few answers. It is the author who knows how to ask questions and make the reader think, in my opinion, who creates masterpieces.

I agree the that some of best stories are those that force the reader to think and leave some questions for the reader to answer for themselves.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Don only write for hard cuck sub

I think this is inaccurate. But that assumes that by "hard" you mean leaning into the cuck theme. I would make the argument that for the first 7 chaps, it had mild cuckoldry elements (because from Dan's POV it was sharing not cuckolding). The mid chapters had a few more direct cuck elements. From about chap 17 on, there have been almost no cuckoldry elements. But that also goes to your definition of cuckoldry. It's my understanding that it means the husband derives some form of enjoyment from hearing about or witnessing the wife's liaisons. Dan's been practically in the dark about Sarah's activities, so to me it doesn't fit the definition and certainly doesn't reach the level of "leaned into."

there is to much sx scene

Please note I'm not mocking you, I just found your comment to be fascinating. I've never heard this viewpoint before that erotica had or could have too much sex scenes. Would you be willing to expound on this thought?

 

[Verisimilinude]

Can I disagree with you about this “Lester vs Richard” points?

I mean what about if Sarah doesn’t trust Lester and in her mind he is a little bit more than a “pawn” for sexual “gratification”? Would not be more coherent if she tries to be independent from him? Richard should be seen in this way. Of course she would depend on Richard but he would be her chief in any case.

My thinking is that people supposes Sarah is a passive actor but 32 chapters have demonstrated that she is not passive at all! She wants to keep her independence

I insist that you do, healthy discussion is built on challenging viewpoints without being disrespectful.

It's a logical viewpoint, however I base my views on what's written. Example from ch32: If Sarah had simply said out loud that "She loved Lester, or had feelings for him, etc" then I could believe that she was using Lester to her own advantage and could later claim it was just "sex talk." However she had a lot of inner monologue where she thought through her feelings, this to me means they are facts for her character, that the feelings are genuine. Could DS write some 'gotcha scene' later in the series, sure he could do that, but he'd lose any trust he has with his readers. No one likes the rug pulled out from under them, without there being a foundation for plausibility, or hints of possibility being written prior to the 'gotcha scene.'

Having said that, I have a sneaking suspicion that you may be right in a sense. That at the very end, Sarah will be the only one to walk away from this car wreck, scarred for sure, but unbroken.

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

U know what would be cool...Chronos being...Otis

I always thought that maybe he was Richard.

 

[D2taA]

I feel like the only person here who wants to see Lester and the mum hooking up lol. I am probably a bit biased towards that kink though.

I do agree what some others have said that the side characters have been a weaker part of the story and would have preferred some of them had never been included.

As a side note I am pretty new to this kink and so far, have read ‘Neighbour Chronicles’, ‘Cassandra’s Adventures’ and up to date with ‘Toxic Attraction’. If anyone has similar recommendations to these, I would love to hear them!

There all the same, they also tend to follow the same pattern. Husband pushed wife to do something she doesn't want to do. The guy always has the biggest dick on earth so now the wife can't think about anything but dudes dick. She forgets about the rules her and husband set. She starts lying and going behind husbands back, usually by then the wife will fuck other men that the husband knows nothing about. Husband will say something about putting an end to it wife will get pissed off because he was the one wanting it. But he never wanted the lies and the other men it was just supposed to be a little fun but wife went crazy. But back to the pattern, they'll try and stop but most of the time the wife will never stop but even if she does, the husband will keep have fantasia about it. He'll breakdown and ask her to do it again but she'll state that if she does they'll be no stopping. Usually after that the story will end, the wife fore the most part won't leave the husband. But it'll show him as a loser jerking off in the corner wandering how it got this far or he'll be loving it. Either way it'll end in a vague non closure kinda of way. Now that's about how 90% of the super cuck stories go. I'll let you n on another two cents of thinking is that the husband always come out on the bottom. The thinking by the authors is that once the wife has a big dick that they loose all sense of their self worth and lose the ability of worrying or fearing their husbands finding out and leaving them. Their only concern from now on is cock.

 

[D2taA]

Just read the last chapter of trinity, it goes on a bad cheating road and there is to much sx scene and no character evolution. Seems like Rabbleraid influence is much more than Vivian, i dont kike Rabbleraid stories, he is not on lvl with Vivian

Rabbielaid, from what I understand is a woman. A woman who lives in a universe that hates men. Well some men , it's more hate for spouses like husbands and boyfriends. In all her stories the husbands all get humiliated and crushed by the other man. The wife always fall in love with the tormenters and leave the husbands in a puddle of tears and jizz. Her writings go out of the normal just so she can circle back and stomp on these guys in a bad way. And her collaboration on the Trinity are starting to show. The male character in that story is a complete window licking moron about what his wife is doin and gripped in to much fear to say anything. They promised him a threesome after he let his wife have one and she still having them behind his back while he wonders when is he gonna be afford his chance. In most of Rabbieland storylines she make the wife out to be completely in love with their husbands but it never actually shown that that's the case because they never act like it. It's like someone did something really bad to her and she just keeps projecting her feelings of what happened on the same character in her writing. It like she's hate some guy so much so she just keeps writing a character based on him just so she can dismantle him in every story. Meanwhile secretly hoping he'll read them and then he mite understand what he did to her. But then again I could be wrong. It happened once.