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Now to wait on Cinema Sins to do "Everything wrong with TOXICity" in response.
Interim Domain was good but my god it was so boring. Dev is good at writing but the setting is the issue. It's essentially a slice of life disguised as post apocalyptic. I agree Toxicity got a much stronger start than N&T and i'm enjoying it so far. N&T beginning chapters were bland and meandering.I bounced off Interim Domain, N&T was good but this one is off to a stronger start. Despite my mild skepticism about all these conveniently airtight buildings.![]()
You joke, but there would be a reckoning...Now to wait on Cinema Sins to do "Everything wrong with TOXICity" in response.
That sounds completely wrong. Now I have no idea if houses tend to be higher or lower in ambient pressure, but for keeping out the fog, they should be higher. Now I'm not an civil engineer, but I know how to build a PC. When setting up your fans and airflow, you want to have a high positive pressure inside the case. This is so that any gaps or seams where air could transfer between the inside and the outside of the case, the air should be pushing outward (and taking the dust with it). This will help keep the interior of the case cleaner, longer. The reverse, having a negative interior pressure, will cause those gaps and seams to suck air inside the case. Since these would be bypassing properly covered and filtered intakes, it will fast-track the accumulation of dust inside the case. So extrapolate this to a building, keeping in mind that air pressure wants to equalize (when you get a hole in your car tire, the tire pressure drops rather than rises), lower relative pressure inside a building will cause an indraft that will speed up the accumulation of fog inside.As for the air tight buildings, i'm kinda thinking chem fog is like haze. I'm no scientist but we used to get pretty bad haze here from neighboring countries burning their land for agriculture. It doesn't get into the buildings despite slightly open windows. Smell is there unless you fully close windows but there was no need to tape gaps in doors etc. The in house PSI is still much lower than outside.
This is less a problem with the writing, and more probably a limitation with the Honey Select 2 assets and their aggressive production schedule. They're using facemasks, bandanas, and sunglasses for protection; because they're all part of the stock clothing items in HS2. So yeah it is nonsensical that freakin' sunglasses would be offering any protection from an airborne threat like this. But what it does do is free the team from using an actual gas-mask asset and needing to write in how they got access to something so specifically useful and quite rare. Or they're need to make or commission their own bespoke original assets for some sort of jury-rigged solution like you outlined, and then everyone would be questioning why they didn't also make a custom asset for X, Y, or Z. They're working within the limitation of the toolkit they chose, that's all.Create a homemade gas mask using scraps of cloth, duct tape, big plastic bottle for the lens & structure, small tin cans filled with activated charcoal or simple cloth filters. You can literally craft a homemade MOPP 4 gear.
Counter-Point: Blue-on-blue. Even without a monster creating super fog, with modern communications and intelligence gathering, and modern militaries still kill their own troops a non-zero percent of the time. Now if this is happening in the continental US, then any military response would almost certainly be the National Guard. Just look at contemporary evidence, NG units can't handle police duties in LA (to be fair, the military couldn't handle police duties abroad either); how well are they going to handle monster spawning super fog that attacks exposed flesh, kills equipment, and scrambles communications? How well is a military command structure going to adapt to an entirely novel and alien situation like this? The way it usually plays out is by way of massive military blunders, as commanders try and fail to adapt to the new reality; a pretty consistent trend throughout military history.And lastly, again, the crisis is literally easy mode. As someone who has been in the army, i'm positive the military would have cleared a small town within the first week. Maybe dev intends to escalate it into something bigger, which i hope what happens because this crisis shouldn't take so long to get under control.
Equalizing interior pressure with exterior atmosphere. Logged. Commanding officer is ashore. XO Presley has the deck.That sounds completely wrong. Now I have no idea if houses tend to be higher or lower in ambient pressure, but for keeping out the fog, they should be higher. Now I'm not an civil engineer, but I know how to build a PC. When setting up your fans and airflow, you want to have a high positive pressure inside the case. This is so that any gaps or seams where air could transfer between the inside and the outside of the case, the air should be pushing outward (and taking the dust with it). This will help keep the interior of the case cleaner, longer. The reverse, having a negative interior pressure, will cause those gaps and seams to suck air inside the case. Since these would be bypassing properly covered and filtered intakes, it will fast-track the accumulation of dust inside the case. So extrapolate this to a building, keeping in mind that air pressure wants to equalize (when you get a hole in your car tire, the tire pressure drops rather than rises), lower relative pressure inside a building will cause an indraft that will speed up the accumulation of fog inside.
This wouldn't be a police duty, it would be a combination of evacuation and - well something no military has ever dealt with (poisonous fog that isn't a chemical weapon + the burned ones.) The military isn't meant to be police.That sounds completely wrong. Now I have no idea if houses tend to be higher or lower in ambient pressure, but for keeping out the fog, they should be higher. Now I'm not an civil engineer, but I know how to build a PC. When setting up your fans and airflow, you want to have a high positive pressure inside the case. This is so that any gaps or seams where air could transfer between the inside and the outside of the case, the air should be pushing outward (and taking the dust with it). This will help keep the interior of the case cleaner, longer. The reverse, having a negative interior pressure, will cause those gaps and seams to suck air inside the case. Since these would be bypassing properly covered and filtered intakes, it will fast-track the accumulation of dust inside the case. So extrapolate this to a building, keeping in mind that air pressure wants to equalize (when you get a hole in your car tire, the tire pressure drops rather than rises), lower relative pressure inside a building will cause an indraft that will speed up the accumulation of fog inside.
This is less a problem with the writing, and more probably a limitation with the Honey Select 2 assets and their aggressive production schedule. They're using facemasks, bandanas, and sunglasses for protection; because they're all part of the stock clothing items in HS2. So yeah it is nonsensical that freakin' sunglasses would be offering any protection from an airborne threat like this. But what it does do is free the team from using an actual gas-mask asset and needing to write in how they got access to something so specifically useful and quite rare. Or they're need to make or commission their own bespoke original assets for some sort of jury-rigged solution like you outlined, and then everyone would be questioning why they didn't also make a custom asset for X, Y, or Z. They're working within the limitation of the toolkit they chose, that's all.
Counter-Point: Blue-on-blue. Even without a monster creating super fog, with modern communications and intelligence gathering, and modern militaries still kill their own troops a non-zero percent of the time. Now if this is happening in the continental US, then any military response would almost certainly be the National Guard. Just look at contemporary evidence, NG units can't handle police duties in LA (to be fair, the military couldn't handle police duties abroad either); how well are they going to handle monster spawning super fog that attacks exposed flesh, kills equipment, and scrambles communications? How well is a military command structure going to adapt to an entirely novel and alien situation like this? The way it usually plays out is by way of massive military blunders, as commanders try and fail to adapt to the new reality; a pretty consistent trend throughout military history.
Yeah, I know. But being police is something comparatively mundane and comprehensible, unlike combating a monster creating and machinery destroying super fog. If they can't handle being cops, what makes anyone think they can handle being whatever-the-fuck they need to be to handle this situation? It's meant to illustrate just how hilariously blasé it is to think that this whole crisis just needs a few good boots in the ass from some enlisted men to set things right.This wouldn't be a police duty, it would be a combination of evacuation and - well something no military has ever dealt with (poisonous fog that isn't a chemical weapon + the burned ones.) The military isn't meant to be police.
It would be very similar to a chemical warfare environment, minus the monsters.Yeah, I know. But being police is something comparatively mundane and comprehensible, unlike combating a monster creating and machinery destroying super fog. If they can't handle being cops, what makes anyone think they can handle being whatever-the-fuck they need to be to handle this situation? It's meant to illustrate just how hilariously blasé it is to think that this whole crisis just needs a few good boots in the ass from some enlisted men to set things right.
That's...that's a lot. I don't even know where to begin.I feel that the military gets underestimated a lot especially in the media, movies & books. I'd understand if it's a third world country but a developed nation with an established military force is way more capable than what writers make them out to be. Hell, they're usually written to be ineffective so that the plot will work.
In this scenario, it is not a global crisis nor is it a virulent & infectious epidemic like a zombie apocalypse. That makes it way easier. The National Guard and Police will likely be responsible for cordoning off the town. There are QRF(Quick Reaction Force) and RDF(Rapid Deployment Force) that will be the main body of the operations. They're usually on redcon 1-2 readiness(immediate) or 2-4hr notice to move(ntm). They can get onsite quick, especially when it's a homeland crisis. I'm not from the US so i reckon their army airborne battalions and tier 1 & 2 SOF teams will be the ones responsible. Response time would be swift, this is not merely a riot, it's an immediate national crisis.
Drones and planes will be circling the area of operations(AO) within hours to gather intel. You have satellites too. Now night vision won't work in the chem clouds but Thermals & Infrared Imaging will but with a shorter effective distance. This is only the tip of the spear. There are other more effective sensor tech unavailable to the common soldier but available to Intelligence Agencies & Specialist Units like Hyperspectral Imaging, Polarimetric Imaging & Millimeter Wave etc.
Due to how the chem clouds work in disrupting electronics, which is a point of contention as over hang power, landlines and their handphones aren't adversely effected, the drones may or may not work. Which can be combated using airtight shielding material or fairings and utilize fiber optic cables instead of radiowaves. Most military grade vehicles come with limited hardening & shielding. The specialized vehicles though come with better grade protection and resilience so they can likely work in the AO. You'd be surprised how much money is wasted by the military on what-if contingencies.
MOPP gear may not be as effective in this chem cloud so they'll use self-contained breathing gear. Visibility is the main issue, Thermals & IR might get disrupted. However, there are advanced versions that are emp hardened, with electronic resilience and component shielding mainly used by Specialized Units. These have a high likelihood of working within the AO. Goes the same for VHF/HF equipment and manpacks used for comms. Worse come to worse, you go low tech and lay lines(D cables) with an exchange, create Combat Outposts & Staging Areas to maintain a line with Bn HQ.
It's also a homeland crisis so the military's CBRN(Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear) wing will be working side by side with civilian CDC counterparts and other Subject Matter Experts.
Concurrently, the military can air drop supplies to trapped civilians & scatter flyers on evac instructions. Realistically in a setting like this, a dead town with a low population, they can afford to do multiple low-litter air evacs(lesser pax) instead of asking civilians to gather up themselves.
Speaking of air evacs, heli downwash can clear the clouds. The rotor noise can be used to gather infected to mow them down. Thinning their numbers and distraction tactics can allow insertion teams safer navigation through the town. One of many strategies available to the military. The current wars we have showcases the true human ingenuity we're capable of.
As for command, militaries have evolved a lot over the years and adapted a more flexible chain of command, allowing independent decision making within reason, with focus on leadership qualities specifically to deal with incompetence & infighting. If it is third world & developing countries, hegemonies, junta regimes, i can see this being an issue. If anything, the real hinderance will be Politics. The problem will always be Politics. But in this kind of scenario, it is in the best interest of politicians to quickly resolve the situation to maintain decorum and restore public confidence.
I'm just a regular airborne infantry so my knowledge is limited. I'm just touching the surface and do not know the full-spectrum capabilities of the military, police and government agencies. Specialized units like CBRN formations, Special Operations Command, Intelligence Agencies and their Paramilitary wing or even the Police Force and their Special Tactical Units have way more countermeasures, tools, resources that are not known to me. They are adequately prepared for a crisis of this level. That's excluding unknown compartmentalized task forces. Most of these capabilities are not transparent to the public for obvious reasons.
Moreover there are contractors in the public sector too, that have expertise in such emergencies and will be drawn to aid the military.
There's also the investigative element on the root cause and source of the crisis which will likely be spearheaded by a Joint Task Force of military and civilian counterparts. Something i have little exposure to so i can't explain much but it is part of protocol.
In the modern day setting, militaries don't operate alone, it's always a Joint Operation between the Military, Police, Gov & Civilian Agencies, various Intelligence Services and Contractors.
Contrary to what most think, the various agencies don't squabble with one another, at least not like in the movies. No matter who takes command, everyone will work together and won't deliberately shut out others or fight for control. You see a lot of friction between the different sub-factions in movies and books because the writer just wants drama.
In all honesty, a typical zombie apocalypse won't even be an issue. Unless it's an airborne Covid Zombie virus that also creates special infected that are built like a tank, runs like a cheetah, has adamantium claws, the strength of a few elephants and shoots out long range anti armor acid spits & projectiles. Or there are supernatural elements involved. Or we're invaded by Type III alien civilizations that mastered galactic travel, harnessed the power of black holes & dark matter, possesses wormhole & dimensional tech and has limited space-time manipulation capabilities.
And often in fiction the leaders end up being evil.That's...that's a lot. I don't even know where to begin.
I think the military is mishandled in a lot of media because if it was accurate, a lot of the drama and suspense would be removed and thus less popular overall.
I'm going with the supernatural origins.I feel that the military gets underestimated a lot especially in the media, movies & books. I'd understand if it's a third world country but a developed nation with an established military force is way more capable than what writers make them out to be. Hell, they're usually written to be ineffective so that the plot will work.
In this scenario, it is not a global crisis nor is it a virulent & infectious epidemic like a zombie apocalypse. That makes it way easier. The National Guard and Police will likely be responsible for cordoning off the town. There are QRF(Quick Reaction Force) and RDF(Rapid Deployment Force) that will be the main body of the operations. They're usually on redcon 1-2 readiness(immediate) or 2-4hr notice to move(ntm). They can get onsite quick, especially when it's a homeland crisis. I'm not from the US so i reckon their army airborne battalions and tier 1 & 2 SOF teams will be the ones responsible. Response time would be swift, this is not merely a riot, it's an immediate national crisis.
Drones and planes will be circling the area of operations(AO) within hours to gather intel. You have satellites too. Now night vision won't work in the chem clouds but Thermals & Infrared Imaging will but with a shorter effective distance. This is only the tip of the spear. There are other more effective sensor tech unavailable to the common soldier but available to Intelligence Agencies & Specialist Units like Hyperspectral Imaging, Polarimetric Imaging & Millimeter Wave etc.
Due to how the chem clouds work in disrupting electronics, which is a point of contention as over hang power, landlines and their handphones aren't adversely effected, the drones may or may not work. Which can be combated using airtight shielding material or fairings and utilize fiber optic cables instead of radiowaves. Most military grade vehicles come with limited hardening & shielding. The specialized vehicles though come with better grade protection and resilience so they can likely work in the AO. You'd be surprised how much money is wasted by the military on what-if contingencies.
MOPP gear may not be as effective in this chem cloud so they'll use self-contained breathing gear. Visibility is the main issue, Thermals & IR might get disrupted. However, there are advanced versions that are emp hardened, with electronic resilience and component shielding mainly used by Specialized Units. These have a high likelihood of working within the AO. Goes the same for VHF/HF equipment and manpacks used for comms. Worse come to worse, you go low tech and lay lines(D cables) with an exchange, create Combat Outposts & Staging Areas to maintain a line with Bn HQ.
It's also a homeland crisis so the military's CBRN(Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear) wing will be working side by side with civilian CDC counterparts and other Subject Matter Experts.
Concurrently, the military can air drop supplies to trapped civilians & scatter flyers on evac instructions. Realistically in a setting like this, a dead town with a low population, they can afford to do multiple low-litter air evacs(lesser pax) instead of asking civilians to gather up themselves.
Speaking of air evacs, heli downwash can clear the clouds. The rotor noise can be used to gather infected to mow them down. Thinning their numbers and distraction tactics can allow insertion teams safer navigation through the town. One of many strategies available to the military. The current wars we have showcases the true human ingenuity we're capable of.
As for command, militaries have evolved a lot over the years and adapted a more flexible chain of command, allowing independent decision making within reason, with focus on leadership qualities specifically to deal with incompetence & infighting. If it is third world & developing countries, hegemonies, junta regimes, i can see this being an issue. If anything, the real hinderance will be Politics. The problem will always be Politics. But in this kind of scenario, it is in the best interest of politicians to quickly resolve the situation to maintain decorum and restore public confidence.
I'm just a regular airborne infantry so my knowledge is limited. I'm just touching the surface and do not know the full-spectrum capabilities of the military, police and government agencies. Specialized units like CBRN formations, Special Operations Command, Intelligence Agencies and their Paramilitary wing or even the Police Force and their Special Tactical Units have way more countermeasures, tools, resources that are not known to me. They are adequately prepared for a crisis of this level. That's excluding unknown compartmentalized task forces. Most of these capabilities are not transparent to the public for obvious reasons.
Moreover there are contractors in the public sector too, that have expertise in such emergencies and will be drawn to aid the military.
There's also the investigative element on the root cause and source of the crisis which will likely be spearheaded by a Joint Task Force of military and civilian counterparts. Something i have little exposure to so i can't explain much but it is part of protocol.
In the modern day setting, militaries don't operate alone, it's always a Joint Operation between the Military, Police, Gov & Civilian Agencies, various Intelligence Services and Contractors.
Contrary to what most think, the various agencies don't squabble with one another, at least not like in the movies. No matter who takes command, everyone will work together and won't deliberately shut out others or fight for control. You see a lot of friction between the different sub-factions in movies and books because the writer just wants drama.
In all honesty, a typical zombie apocalypse won't even be an issue. Unless it's an airborne Covid Zombie virus that also creates special infected that are built like a tank, runs like a cheetah, has adamantium claws, the strength of a few elephants and shoots out long range anti armor acid spits & projectiles. Or there are supernatural elements involved. Or we're invaded by Type III alien civilizations that mastered galactic travel, harnessed the power of black holes & dark matter, possesses wormhole & dimensional tech and has limited space-time manipulation capabilities.
I do like Now & Then but I think I prefer Toxicity, it has higher potential and I like that it has Silent Hill vibes.Now & Then set a very high bar. Only bad part was some things lead to a bad end without any reason to think they would (ie go left vs go right.)