VN Ren'Py ToxiCity [v0.12.0] [ILSProductions]

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Walter Victor

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Physical violence doesn't matter in abusive relationships.

You get angry around someone that has lived like that and they will be terrified of you.
Of course. I wasn't trying to minimize the damage that Andrew did to Kallie. My statement was in response to a post which specifically talked about fear of physical abuse, and was meant to be taken in that context.

By the way, how about Sasquatch or Bigfoot for our latest menace. Both names are for legendary creatures rumored to roam the forests of the Pacific Northwest in the USA. I would reject Yeti because of it's association with the Himalayas. Or similar legends from around the world for the same reason.
 
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Anteron

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There was a woman I wanted to be with. I knew her over 20 years. In early 2022 she told me she was leaving her husband - he was emotionally, verbally and financially abusive. A few months later we talked about getting together. He made it almost impossible different ways - like she earned money and when she had to go to the hospital he'd put it in a joint account. He'd flip out if she used any money in the joint account without asking first. Her health got worse. Sadly, she died at 51 on Aug 8 - a week after I last talked to her. I hadn't heard from her and searched her name in October and found out. Felt like nothing to live for ever since.
 

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Definitely (2). I don't understand how you even thought of (1). I don't believe that even Andrew ever threatened her physically.

But it's a lot more than being ashamed, though. Kallie is devastated because she believes that she might have lost the MC's trust (and potential love) for good, which would leave her without the hope for the future with him that she was just beginning to feel.
Physical violence doesn't matter in abusive relationships.

You get angry around someone that has lived like that and they will be terrified of you.
Yep, exactly. It's so sad. My own sister was in an emotionally manipulative relationship for about a decade (had been married to the bastard, unfortunately). Just because no physical damage actually happened doesn't mean it can't be imagined. Look at Kallie's nightmares and how Andrew "merged" into a Burned One. It's that level of mental devastation that's why (1) could be true as well — in fact, I think it's more likely than not. I think it's a combination of both, TBH. The MC has been consistently caring and tried to be understanding the entire time since the fog rolled in. It doesn't change how she might actually feel, though. Emotional trauma is some of the worst baggage someone can carry with them. :cry:
 

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" I don't know where all the hate for Laura is coming in. " Simple, the hate for Laura stems from her decisions being both irrational and stupid.
:ROFLMAO: I don't know who Laura is since I haven't played the game, but I'm dying laughing at reading that!

Quick question:

Where is the girl from your profile picture from? I'm drawing a blank.
 

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My statement was in response to a post which specifically talked about fear of physical abuse
You responded to my post, and nothing in my post was limited to physical abuse. It mentioned it, yes, when I said MC hadn't lifted a hand, but it also mentioned his raising his voice. The suggestion of Kallie's being afraid of MC could include anything from his being overtly hostile to her, to his yelling at her, to his doing physical violence to her. I don't think those second or third suggestions are particularly rational--if he wanted to yell at her or hit her, he could have done it when she was there--but again, feelings aren't particularly rational. By the same token, she's clearly (even now, weeks after she last saw him) afraid of Andrew.

But I do favor "she realizes she's betrayed his trust, and she's ashamed of what she's done." And I hope that, by itself, is a big part of it for her, without the "and that means my escape hatch from Andrew is gone" part.
 
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Walter Victor

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I didn't know Laura's maiden name was Harding.
I think you got your names confused.

Tonya Harding's ex-husband tried to have Nancy Kerrigan kneecapped prior to the ice-skating competition at the 1994 Winter Olympics. Harding also had a brief boxing career, so punching would be a viable option for her, too.

That would make Eve's maiden name Harding, and Laura's, Kerrigan. ;)
 

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I think you got your names confused.

Tonya Harding's ex-husband tried to have Nancy Kerrigan kneecapped prior to the ice-skating competition at the 1994 Winter Olympics. Harding also had a brief boxing career, so punching would be a viable option for her, too.

That would make Eve's maiden name Harding, and Laura's, Kerrigan. ;)
Ah, whoops. I mean Eve's, you're right. I fixed it. I didn't actually confuse the people in the original scenario / news stories; I just sucked at typing it out and somehow swapped whom I meant. Thanks for pointing it out. :)
 

Walter Victor

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Ah, whoops. I mean Eve's, you're right. I fixed it. I didn't actually confuse the people in the original scenario / news stories; I just sucked at typing it out and somehow swapped whom I meant. Thanks for pointing it out. :)
By the way, did you ever get a look at Tonya Harding's thighs? [I'm sure there are still a few porn shots of her out there.] She could crush Brazil nuts between those things. :eek: If Eve really does take after Tonya, it could get very interesting for the MC. :ROFLMAO:
 

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They didn't get close to the Burned Ones in the first place, so it was clearly more of a tracking behavior than an ambush-and-reaction one.
Yeah, they were obviously following them but nothing suggests they would do anything but wait in ambush like the one at the college campus.

Burned Ones seem incapable of noticing people who are inside in some fashion. That's why they completely ignore the car, and they never bother people inside a building. They either hunt through scent, or they can only tell where things are if they are touching the fog.
 

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Yeah, they were obviously following them but nothing suggests they would do anything but wait in ambush like the one at the college campus.

Burned Ones seem incapable of noticing people who are inside in some fashion. That's why they completely ignore the car, and they never bother people inside a building. They either hunt through scent, or they can only tell where things are if they are touching the fog.
Given that they started tracking them when previously there's been no indication they do anything like that suggests they have evolved some, or at least along a different path than others. We have no idea what all any evolution might entail. True, the MC could still anticipate their attacks, so we know that those had not developed their attacking abilities any further or differently. But we absolutely cannot say they would just wait in ambush like before. It's a decently likely guess, but we can't know for sure.

All of the above notwithstanding, the entire point was that they had developed further or different skills. We now know they can apparently track, but that's all. Your mention of scent and/or something tied to the fog (similar to a reverberation maybe?) would ofc explain why they don't seem to notice anyone inside buildings. Although the MC and Kallie were careful to try to hide at the diner, it's entirely possible it would never have detected them because they were indoors. In any case, they don't seem to wander inside even if there are people there unless there's some type of breach (like a broken window or open door).

I might be forgetting an instance where they went inside anyway, but I don't think so. The Office BO obviously was a special case. It might have been someone trapped inside and exposed to the fog there for too long, but it also might have been someone already infected enough that the process of changing was too far along. In the latter case, they might have gone to the office to accept their fate and just shut themselves inside to avoid being a danger to others. It's hard to say how that one ended up there originally, ofc.

Anyway, previously it seemed that people had to be practically right next to them (Kallie, College Kid, etc.) before they could notice them and attack. Around the college, none of them actually seemed to track. Noise, ofc, is almost certain to attract them. But they seemed more like trapdoor spiders or scorpion-tailed snakes up until recently. The line of them suggests either (1) Burned Ones develop different skills and so behave differently (the college BOs vs. the neighborhood BOs); or (2) they have evolved a little, adding actual tracking to their skillset. I think both are equally plausible.
 

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Anyway, previously it seemed that people had to be practically right next to them (Kallie, College Kid, etc.) before they could notice them and attack. Around the college, none of them actually seemed to track. Noise, ofc, is almost certain to attract them. But they seemed more like trapdoor spiders or scorpion-tailed snakes up until recently. The line of them suggests either (1) Burned Ones develop different skills and so behave differently (the college BOs vs. the neighborhood BOs); or (2) they have evolved a little, adding actual tracking to their skillset. I think both are equally plausible.
I have the impression that BOs get orchestrated by a witch in the background. Witches appear to be able to at least see rather than smell. Maybe they can directed BOs by yet unknown means over a distance.
 

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I have the impression that BOs get orchestrated by a witch in the background. Witches appear to be able to at least see rather than smell. Maybe they can directed BOs by yet unknown means over a distance.
Or the witch getting killed did something to those nearby...
 

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Or the witch getting killed did something to those nearby...
Yeah, why not? I just think it to be less plausible for the fog creatures to "evolve". There could be some kind of hierarchy and the boss enemy with more capabilities is lurking in the background. So the daddy long legs creature could be just the next tier up.
 
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Given that they started tracking them when previously there's been no indication they do anything like that suggests they have evolved some, or at least along a different path than others.
I don't think that is necessarily right. The Burned One outside the office migrated to the path between the burger joint and the other office building because they were moving between them, so it would move closer when they were outside but stop and wander when they went inside and eventually reached the area.

The reason we haven't seen much of it is the fact that they don't go back and forth to places all that much. There's the college campus but there were also an unknown number of other survivors in the area, and there are quite a number of the ones that have gathered when Laura has her breakdown so they may in fact be drawn there.

Of course, the biggest hole in my idea is the very first Burned One, which didn't ambush the MC outside. Maybe they attack anyone but only stalk girls to make Witches.
 
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