VN Ren'Py Tribulations of a Mage [v0.30.0] [Talothral]

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[rcVOCPv32jPLCtsw5g2G]

She will be around probably more than one would expect for a "side character", mostly because of fairly obvious reason, one that isn't related to sex either, that is just a bonus content

Also while I remember, none of the characters are mandatory for the "good ending" in case of the orc tribe what determines that is do they survive or not. Goblin arc has an alternative solution for the obvious choice that is as valid, just not as "quick". So yeah, you can decline sex with orcs, ogres, goblins, etc. Now their personal line might have a different tone, but that's given. Hypothetically, you can go through the game without sleeping with anyone for that matter, although not sure will I cater an ending for that though.

How does one avoid the scene with the faerie shortly after gaining the tower? The scene seems forced since every choice I make results in the same outcome, even if I select the negative options toward her.

 

[Talothral]

How does one avoid the scene with the faerie shortly after gaining the tower? The scene seems forced since every choice I make results in the same outcome, even if I select the negative options toward her.

Bug, fixed. Add additional conditional check.

 

[cxx]

only proper answer is: not sure, let's do it again.

 

[DevinHesi]

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[UnoriginalUserName]

How does one avoid the scene with the faerie shortly after gaining the tower? The scene seems forced since every choice I make results in the same outcome, even if I select the negative options toward her.

I'm sorry...am I to understand you're trying to NOT have a scene with Shani? The girl that's been with, and in love with, the MC for the longest? Really?

 

[catnapper]

I'm sorry...am I to understand you're trying to NOT have a scene with Shani? The girl that's been with, and in love with, the MC for the longest? Really?

There are people who would reject Shani? Heretics - burn them all!

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Heretics - burn them all!

Have Shani do it!

 

[cxx]

I'm sorry...am I to understand you're trying to NOT have a scene with Shani? The girl that's been with, and in love with, the MC for the longest? Really?

some ppl are just weird. shani, ayaka and that deerish girl.

There are people who would reject Shani? Heretics - burn them all!

i agree.

Have Shani do it!

too quick, she would burn them to ashes in a seconds.

 

[rcVOCPv32jPLCtsw5g2G]

I'm sorry...am I to understand you're trying to NOT have a scene with Shani? The girl that's been with, and in love with, the MC for the longest? Really?

I'm on a single LI playthrough, she's not the LI I chose.

 

[FatGiant]

I'm on a single LI playthrough, she's not the LI I chose.

First - This is NOT an attack on you. You are completely within your rights to choose to do so.

Second - Considering the large amount of games with a Single LI, it baffles me that people choose to come to Harem based games and choose to do that here too... Sure, they have the right to do it, this is a single player game after all, whatever happens is for your enjoyment only. However, taking into consideration that that isn't the purported intention of the game, doesn't it get tiring to have to constantly say no to the other girls?

It's not like there aren't many, many, many games that only allow you one LI, or do you go to those games and try to build a Harem? I am truly mystified by this... What goes on those brains?

Never mind me... I'm just venting... OK?

Peace

 

[rcVOCPv32jPLCtsw5g2G]

First - This is NOT an attack on you. You are completely within your rights to choose to do so.

Second - Considering the large amount of games with a Single LI, it baffles me that people choose to come to Harem based games and choose to do that here too... Sure, they have the right to do it, this is a single player game after all, whatever happens is for your enjoyment only. However, taking into consideration that that isn't the purported intention of the game, doesn't it get tiring to have to constantly say no to the other girls?

It's not like there aren't many, many, many games that only allow you one LI, or do you go to those games and try to build a Harem? I am truly mystified by this... What goes on those brains?

Never mind me... I'm just venting... OK?

Peace

If it's a Harem based game, why even bother having choices for for LIs in the first place?

If I ignored every game that had the harem tag, I would miss out the many games that allows you to have a harem or a single LI as those developers intended. Tags don't always tell the developers intentions.

The mark of a good storyteller includes the ability to create a great story even while rejecting ALL LIs. Not many games can do that, but I an pleasantly surprised by this game. The story is engaging even without choosing one. So when I ran across that scene with the faerie so far in the game, I knew something wasn't quite right based on how the dev made the game up to that point, and sure enough, the dev verified it was a bug.

And of course I wouldn't try to build a harem in a game that only allows a single LI. That would be like me going into a game where I'm constantly being FORCED into relationships with LIs I don't want, and continue playing hoping things will change.

 

[Talothral]

If it's a Harem based game, why even bother having choices for for LIs in the first place?

Answering this part mostly since it's mostly relevant from my perspective. Not every LI is for everyone. There are people don't like Krarga, or Iraea, or Ayaka, or Eirlys, or Lian, or Lilmina, or Rielle, or Gweyr... and that's fine. There are things that make more sense as a harem game, I'm not going to lie about that, but I try to make things so that they do make sense with singular LI or a fewer than the "full harem".

Will the thing make sense at the end though? Yeah, the story does have an ending, and it's relatively easy to make since it isn't about the LI's. Epilogue is a different matter, but that's why there is a side cast that has a lot of characters so I can build things without using the "rejected" LI's as well, most of the "important" characters for the story aren't LI's such as the chieftains of the people in the village. It just means certain parts are shorter than with more characters to interact.

 

[FatGiant]

If it's a Harem based game, why even bother having choices for for LIs in the first place?

If I ignored every game that had the harem tag, I would miss out the many games that allows you to have a harem or a single LI as those developers intended. Tags don't always tell the developers intentions.

The mark of a good storyteller includes the ability to create a great story even while rejecting ALL LIs. Not many games can do that, but I an pleasantly surprised by this game. The story is engaging even without choosing one. So when I ran across that scene with the faerie so far in the game, I knew something wasn't quite right based on how the dev made the game up to that point, and sure enough, the dev verified it was a bug.

And of course I wouldn't try to build a harem in a game that only allows a single LI. That would be like me going into a game where I'm constantly being FORCED into relationships with LIs I don't want, and continue playing hoping things will change.

Well, I can't say I understand your POV.

I rarely play single LI games. I find the whole concept wasteful, sometimes even offensively so.

I'll try to explain. The developer used resources, both money, time, work, etc... to create a cadre of sexy women for you to choose. They created backstories, dialogues, locations, animations, the works... And then made it impossible for you to experience all but one of them.

Some even make you pursuit ALL of them, cheating on them all, and then force you to choose only one. Never mind that in the meantime you created some bond with most if not all of them, now cut all of them except one... What is this? A sadistic dungeon?

Sure, there are some decent developers where you keep a friendship (I don't even want to go into that) with the refused, as if we weren't bumping uglies a few scenes ago... all is forgotten, forgiven, no one feels cheated...

And some people have the gall to say it is more realistic...

So, I feel it is better to play them in a different way. Only one playthrough. Only one LI, chosen randomly. No contact, or just the minimum to make them go away. Played until the end. And never touch that game again.

The contrast with the Harem ones is that I replay the good Harem ones multiple times. For example, I've replayed all of Talothral games at least 3 times each. Sorcerer is the exception, it's over 5 times. Why? Because I feel happy. Because I feel respected. Because there's no "cheating".

Seeing you squander a fantastic game as this one, with very interesting and meaningful relationships, just to pick only one, for whatever reason, feels really BAD. It is your choice, don't mind me, but ...

Peace

 

[rcVOCPv32jPLCtsw5g2G]

Well, I can't say I understand your POV.

I rarely play single LI games. I find the whole concept wasteful, sometimes even offensively so.

I'll try to explain. The developer used resources, both money, time, work, etc... to create a cadre of sexy women for you to choose. They created backstories, dialogues, locations, animations, the works... And then made it impossible for you to experience all but one of them.

Some even make you pursuit ALL of them, cheating on them all, and then force you to choose only one. Never mind that in the meantime you created some bond with most if not all of them, now cut all of them except one... What is this? A sadistic dungeon?

Sure, there are some decent developers where you keep a friendship (I don't even want to go into that) with the refused, as if we weren't bumping uglies a few scenes ago... all is forgotten, forgiven, no one feels cheated...

And some people have the gall to say it is more realistic...

So, I feel it is better to play them in a different way. Only one playthrough. Only one LI, chosen randomly. No contact, or just the minimum to make them go away. Played until the end. And never touch that game again.

The contrast with the Harem ones is that I replay the good Harem ones multiple times. For example, I've replayed all of Talothral games at least 3 times each. Sorcerer is the exception, it's over 5 times. Why? Because I feel happy. Because I feel respected. Because there's no "cheating".

Seeing you squander a fantastic game as this one, with very interesting and meaningful relationships, just to pick only one, for whatever reason, feels really BAD. It is your choice, don't mind me, but ...

Peace

I play good games multiple times as well. A good harem game that allows you to go with a single LI could be easily played multiple times, choosing a different LI each time.

I'm sure if the dev wants you to see all of their hard work with one playthrough, they would make a kinetic novel.

Personally, I have a difficult time conceptually grasping the concept of a harem. Magic, goblins, orcs, etc. make more sense to me than how harems work. That's why I can play pure harem games that give you no choices in who you end up with. It's like pure NTR games make no sense to me at all, but games that use NTR to enrich the storytelling, I don't mind, as long as it makes sense to the story. Some people's brains just work differently. I may not necessarily understand your point of view, but I can see it makes sense to you.

 

[FatGiant]

I play good games multiple times as well. A good harem game that allows you to go with a single LI could be easily played multiple times, choosing a different LI each time.

I'm sure if the dev wants you to see all of their hard work with one playthrough, they would make a kinetic novel.

Personally, I have a difficult time conceptually grasping the concept of a harem. Magic, goblins, orcs, etc. make more sense to me than how harems work. That's why I can play pure harem games that give you no choices in who you end up with. It's like pure NTR games make no sense to me at all, but games that use NTR to enrich the storytelling, I don't mind, as long as it makes sense to the story. Some people's brains just work differently. I may not necessarily understand your point of view, but I can see it makes sense to you.

That bit about NTR enriching the storytelling... sorry. That's quite improbable to me. But, you do you... I can't stand it, and it is enough to drop, ignore and block that game and it's creator forever. No second chances.

What Harem games provide to me? Well, I am quite attracted to the multiple lovers idea. I absolutely detest the cheating of going hiding those relationships. So, the only option is either an Harem or (my vastly preferred option) a polyamory relationship. Based on truth, respect and consent.

Why do I detest NTR so strongly? Because it is based on the very opposite of that. Lie, disrespect and non-consensual. To even fathom that a story can be enriched by this, I would have to have some type of acceptance to that. I don't. Never had. Never will.

Well, thankfully none of that will happen here.

Peace

 

[Brother Lui]

Nah I play all Talothral's games for the story and multitimes I played them each one of them. The story has a magic and I find the girls or the lewd scenes with them great addition to the whole story. I do like the harem aspect which in a philosophy it is as natural as the monogamy path in life. Doesn't help that I have read how most religions in the past wanted and pushed the harem way for them to have faster believers so in the end taking away any hypocrisy I believe what you feel is the correct natural way for any of us. Some choose monogamy, some choose harem good for both of them.

 

[rcVOCPv32jPLCtsw5g2G]

That bit about NTR enriching the storytelling... sorry. That's quite improbable to me. But, you do you... I can't stand it, and it is enough to drop, ignore and block that game and it's creator forever. No second chances.

What Harem games provide to me? Well, I am quite attracted to the multiple lovers idea. I absolutely detest the cheating of going hiding those relationships. So, the only option is either an Harem or (my vastly preferred option) a polyamory relationship. Based on truth, respect and consent.

Why do I detest NTR so strongly? Because it is based on the very opposite of that. Lie, disrespect and non-consensual. To even fathom that a story can be enriched by this, I would have to have some type of acceptance to that. I don't. Never had. Never will.

Well, thankfully none of that will happen here.

Peace

Your point of view is understandable. The difference is I see harem games as cheating by having multiple lovers, and if the girls are all okay and happy about the situation, it throws any realism or drama for a good story right out the window. There's no sense of accomplishment if everything is handed to you without some struggle or work involved.

And yes I also completely understand your view on NTR as a lot of people share it. But Sometimes having the MC hit rock bottom by being cheated on or having jealousy between various characters in the story adds a real human element to the story. You feel terrible when it happens, but in a good story, the MC climbing out of that dark hole and redeeming himself by finding a true love he was meant for and maybe even getting revenge on those who hurt him are just the cherry on top. The huge emotional swings in the good story make it all worth it.

Sadly there's not many games that can do that or have done that right. Don't get me started on pure NTR games as those are as unrealistic to me as harem games. There's no way a person with two brain cells rubbing together would act like any of the characters in a pure NTR game. It's easier to believe in the concept of orcs and goblins.

 

[FatGiant]

The difference is I see harem games as cheating by having multiple lovers

The thing is... there is no cheating involved when everything is done openly. Do you think that polygamy or polyandry are cheating? If done in hiding, if it involves lying, deceiving, or going against the wishes of one of them? Yes, it is cheating. If, however, everyone involved is consenting, informed and willing, there is no cheating.

If you recall, I said that my preferred option was the polyamory way. Do you think that people in this type of relationships are cheating? Cheating who, exactly? Remember, they are in a relationship with everyone, so, who's cheating?

But, let's go to the more common Harem (in terms of AVN's) where there is one male with several females. All of them know about the others. No one is forced to stay in the relationship. Everyone accepts it. How is this cheating?

So, you are projecting, which is a very human reaction, it is how we understand the world. There are several problems with your projection. One, everything is easy. Obviously, that is The Fantasy. Two, everyone is happy. That is the end goal, but, is it instant? Some authors will go that way, most will throw a few wrinkles here and there, a minority will make you go trough burning coals. Three, realism. There are still Harems in place in many locations around the world. Are they common? Never were. They are a Male Power Fantasy. Yet, they are still real.

You can play this however way you want. But, the truth is, you are denying yourself a GREAT story and a nice fantasy, by trying to apply IRL concepts to a story. The only one losing is you.

Peace

 

[professorx10]

If this has been found before, sorry.
Just a small typo that trips up the reader.
I don't have the image but its right outside the cave after visiting the ruined village.

"I came to see if there was left in the village."
Obviously should be "...there was anyone left in the village." yes?