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TundraLupus

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I already have a couple of comments in this thread contributing to the pile on Deb side of the debate and I pretty much agree with all of the comments you are arguing against here.

Ultimately, the MC is too weak of a character and Deb is extremely unlikable in too many ways for me to enjoy this game.

The facepalm is because you are just repeating yourself. If you like the story that is great and I hope the dev keeps making it and that you continue to enjoy it. It makes sense that you want to defend against the piling on but you are getting boring.
People keep using the same arguments without facts, so I keep presenting the opposite, if they argue something new, I might agree or find a new argument myself, is the same as when I argue with religious people. And actually that was a new one, you should facepalm the previous one.

Edit: Feel free to put me on ignore though, no hard feelings on my part, but if the discussion makes you enjoy the thread any less then please, do so, for me these discussions are fun.
 

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Not really, they were in the wrong, I said that multiple times, and even if it was after her death, now by sending him the letter she makes sure he focus on his daughter and won't pursue the conspiracy again, hell I don't doubt that the daughter was never in danger in the first place and she set the whole thing up, either way, what we know so far is what I said, and you said, the Mc is probably a much more competent soldier than his sister, and maybe that is why she sent the letter to him, but so far there was no hate involved.
It's been years, and he hasn't been pursuing the "conspiracy" as you put it. There's absolutely no reason to think that he was going to take up that mantle again. If he were, he would have done it when he determined Marie and Milly's trail was too cold to pick up again. In fact, if that was actually something that was so damn important to him, he SHOULD have picked it up again after determining he was unlikely to find them. It would have given him something to occupy his mind and keep his soul from being eaten up.

Also, I'm not sure what you are basing your insistence that Marie didn't hate him on... Is it that she opened her letter "My Love"? I'm getting kind of cynical in my old age, but that could be blatant manipulation on her part... There may not be any evidence for that, but there isn't any more evidence for your reading of the situation.
 
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It's been years, and he hasn't been pursuing the "conspiracy" as you put it. There's absolutely no reason to think that he was going to take up that mantle again. If he were, he would have done it when he determined Marie and Milly's trail was too cold to pick up again. In fact, if that was actually something that was so damn important to him, he SHOULD have picked it up again after determining he was unlikely to find them. It would have given him something to occupy his mind and keep his soul from being eaten up.

Also, I'm not sure what you are basing your insistence that Marie didn't hate him on... Is it that she opened her letter "My Love"? I'm getting kind of cynical in my old age, but that could be blatant manipulation on her part... There may not be any evidence for that, but there isn't any more evidence for your reading of the situation.
From the reasons given so far for her to do what she did, I'm going from what was shown in-game, and not assumptions, also by the fact that Julia immediately saw the MC in a good light, now, if I'm going with the conspiracy, she might have been told to do so to manipulate the MC, but so far there is no evidence of this, she just immediately trusts him and saw him in a good light, because that was how the ex portrayed him.

About the conspiracy, we don't really know that he didn't, at the end of this update his friend/maybe-girlfriend was being pursued by cops that kidnaped her roommate, now, it might be the people that want Milly, but why would they be at his country? Either way, it is hypothetical so far, also, maybe the trail he was gonna follow for the conspiracy has gone cold as well, in the end we know very little of what he was doing before the game began.
 

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Not really, they were in the wrong, I said that multiple times, and even if it was after her death, now by sending him the letter she makes sure he focus on his daughter and won't pursue the conspiracy again, hell I don't doubt that the daughter was never in danger in the first place and she set the whole thing up, either way, what we know so far is what I said, and you said, the Mc is probably a much more competent soldier than his sister, and maybe that is why she sent the letter to him, but so far there was no hate involved.
That's my whole point. She reached out to him because she knew he'd do anything to keep his daughter safe, and she is in danger since we know that someone is looking for something Marie or her husband had. The most obvious place to look for that something is her place, where Milly leaves. That's why she had to choose between having her father over or move somewhere safe. Even after she sent that letter it was 50-50 for him to see her again!

Deb has said lies upon lies and keeps undermining the MC, putting everyone in danger and for some reason you keep defending her. Did you see her reaction with the Japanese guys? "We've got them." Imagine a situation like that where every dumb fuck (like apparently Julia is) who lives in this house listens to her, just because she's a fucking moron who thinks she's being funny, making the MC look like a fool in every chance, so that no one will take him seriously! She's a liability that offers nothing but annoyance and NTR-ish content. And of course the MC is more competent soldier than her! The dude was in special forces, going to dangerous missions! But she keeps making him look like a fucking idiot just for shit and giggles!
 

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That's my whole point. She reached out to him because she knew he'd do anything to keep his daughter safe, and she is in danger since we know that someone is looking for something Marie or her husband had. The most obvious place to look for that something is her place, where Milly leaves. That's why she had to choose between having her father over or move somewhere safe. Even after she sent that letter it was 50-50 for him to see her again!

Deb has said lies upon lies and keeps undermining the MC, putting everyone in danger and for some reason you keep defending her. Did you see her reaction with the Japanese guys? "We've got them." Imagine a situation like that where every dumb fuck (like apparently Julia is) who lives in this house listens to her, just because she's a fucking moron who thinks she's being funny, making the MC look like a fool in every chance, so that no one will take him seriously! She's a liability that offers nothing but annoyance and NTR-ish content. And of course the MC is more competent soldier than her! The dude was in special forces, going to dangerous missions! But she keeps making him look like a fucking idiot just for shit and giggles!
Ok, first, I agree with the whole undermining the MC thing, that is why I proposed the whole sparing session, it could also be something else, but something that will show that the MC is to be respected, I never went against this point. Although I doubt the MC's capabilities because of the first "confrontation" and him forgetting his fucking gun. But these are complaints not about Deb, but about the MC, we need a situation where the MC can get respect, like in Alexandra where the MC has a clear rule, Alex can have a say in every situation, just not combat, when it comes to protecting her his word is the law, and the Mc in these game needs something similar.

Again, we need something that will make it clear that at least when it comes to combat and protection the MC is the law and not Deb.
 
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Deb is walking proof of the concept that Familiarity breeds contempt. She's very familiar with the MC,and seems contemptuous.

And the more familiar I become with her character,the more contempt I hold her in. Lol
 

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Deb is walking proof of the concept that Familiarity breeds contempt. She's very familiar with the MC,and seems contemptuous.

And the more familiar I become with her character,the more contempt I hold her in. Lol
You are not wrong there, I don't hate her, but I don't like her either, she needs to grow up, and so does the MC.
 

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Ok, first, I agree with the whole undermining the MC thing, that is why I proposed the whole sparing session, it could also be something else, but something that will show that the MC is to be respected, I never went against this point. Although I doubt the MC's capabilities because of the first "confrontation" and him forgetting his fucking gun. But these are complaints not about Deb, but about the MC, we need a situation where the MC can get respect, like in Alexandra where the MC has a clear rule, Alex can have a say in every situation, just not combat, when it comes to protecting her his word is the law, and the Mc in these game needs something similar.

Again, we need something that will make it clear that at least when it comes to combat and protection the MC is the law and not Deb.
I'd say she needs a good spanking in front of everyone, but she'd probably enjoy it...
 
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From the reasons given so far for her to do what she did, I'm going from what was shown in-game, and not assumptions, also by the fact that Julia immediately saw the MC in a good light, now, if I'm going with the conspiracy, she might have been told to do so to manipulate the MC, but so far there is no evidence of this, she just immediately trusts him and saw him in a good light, because that was how the ex portrayed him.

About the conspiracy, we don't really know that he didn't, at the end of this update his friend/maybe-girlfriend was being pursued by cops that kidnaped her roommate, now, it might be the people that want Milly, but why would they be at his country? Either way, it is hypothetical so far, also, maybe the trail he was gonna follow for the conspiracy has gone cold as well, in the end we know very little of what he was doing before the game began.
I love that your approach make you seem to be the Dev's alternate account. However there are a lot of things that may be contributed to a more complex story (Deb as instigator or traitor), junior writer/game developer, or just Dev losing multiple threads he spun.

Deb supposedly loves (be it pathologically or not) MC. Imagine yourself doing things Deb DID to MC in the game to a person you love. Would you consider yourself a good person or an utter scumbag?
- MC sacrifices his freedom and his family life for some moral higher ground (seems like an understandable thing given that he exhibits emotional sensibilities of a vacuum cleaner to his wife and daughter) Deb then uses his wife's resentment of that emotional detachment and the remaining "dangerous" situation to seduce her.
- MC, a broken man, betrayed by the army and by his wife, searches for 7 years to find the love of his life and his child - Deb remains in contact with them, actively helps them to stay hidden and not even only that, but that actively participate in emotional mutilation and manipulation of an underage child. She participates in conscious torture of the person she loves
- MC's daughter (basically an innocent in the whole mess) is methodically mentally abused and manipulated resulting in making herself twisted into a dysmorphic monster (by overtrainig and turning into Stallone). Deb perpetuates the lie that her father hates her, wants nothing to have with her, and has continued his life with another woman. Even if by some twisted logic the separation from MC is necessary for Milly's survival, the destruction of her mind is not - being in contact Deb could have hinted that her father still loves her or something along these lines.
- From the moment MC and Deb are both at Milly's Deb undermines "the person she loves" either to his face, in front of his daughter he needs to re-build his relationship with, in front of his LI. She does that by tearing him down, undermining his authority, being maximally inappropriate, rude, sexually predatorish. Marriages have been dissolved for less than that amount of verbal, physical and emotional abuse.
- Deb forces herself on every female MC seems to have interest in, was or wants to get close. She had no idea the flight attendant was going to turn serious, and has no inkling of Kimiko, but in line with her current behavior she would accost them in the same way she did MC's wife, Julia and Milly before being told by the MC
- Deb has mocked MC with Julia video, with Milly's picture, even when Milly treats her father wounds, she's watching porn on laptop in background???? All signs of affection towards MC for sure.

Only excuse for Deb I can find is hypothetical - the abuse and perversity by he parents in forming years that made her twisted, sick and emotionally unstable. Other than that she is actively working (consciously or not) against MC and his daughter
 

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I love that your approach make you seem to be the Dev's alternate account. However there are a lot of things that may be contributed to a more complex story (Deb as instigator or traitor), junior writer/game developer, or just Dev losing multiple threads he spun.

Deb supposedly loves (be it pathologically or not) MC. Imagine yourself doing things Deb DID to MC in the game to a person you love. Would you consider yourself a good person or an utter scumbag?
- MC sacrifices his freedom and his family life for some moral higher ground (seems like an understandable thing given that he exhibits emotional sensibilities of a vacuum cleaner to his wife and daughter) Deb then uses his wife's resentment of that emotional detachment and the remaining "dangerous" situation to seduce her.
- MC, a broken man, betrayed by the army and by his wife, searches for 7 years to find the love of his life and his child - Deb remains in contact with them, actively helps them to stay hidden and not even only that, but that actively participate in emotional mutilation and manipulation of an underage child. She participates in conscious torture of the person she loves
- MC's daughter (basically an innocent in the whole mess) is methodically mentally abused and manipulated resulting in making herself twisted into a dysmorphic monster (by overtrainig and turning into Stallone). Deb perpetuates the lie that her father hates her, wants nothing to have with her, and has continued his life with another woman. Even if by some twisted logic the separation from MC is necessary for Milly's survival, the destruction of her mind is not - being in contact Deb could have hinted that her father still loves her or something along these lines.
- From the moment MC and Deb are both at Milly's Deb undermines "the person she loves" either to his face, in front of his daughter he needs to re-build his relationship with, in front of his LI. She does that by tearing him down, undermining his authority, being maximally inappropriate, rude, sexually predatorish. Marriages have been dissolved for less than that amount of verbal, physical and emotional abuse.
- Deb forces herself on every female MC seems to have interest in, was or wants to get close. She had no idea the flight attendant was going to turn serious, and has no inkling of Kimiko, but in line with her current behavior she would accost them in the same way she did MC's wife, Julia and Milly before being told by the MC
- Deb has mocked MC with Julia video, with Milly's picture, even when Milly treats her father wounds, she's watching porn on laptop in background???? All signs of affection towards MC for sure.

Only excuse for Deb I can find is hypothetical - the abuse and perversity by he parents in forming years that made her twisted, sick and emotionally unstable. Other than that she is actively working (consciously or not) against MC and his daughter
Thank you for laying that all out, for all of your reasons listed is why I believe Deb is the true villain of this story. I wouldn't doubt the person (name escapes me) that the government says is looking for, the one that started the blackmail and is looking for the hidden piece of information from the blackmail is in fact Deb, using a surname as a cover. I'd be willing to bet that Deb is the mastermind behind everything, going all the way back to his first being put in prison.
The only part that didn't go according to Deb's plan, was she wasn't expecting the MC's ex to be on the yacht when she blew it up.
 

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The fuck are you talking about? The ex didn't hate the MC, and was the only one responsible for making the daughter hate him, ok Deb has some responsibility for not divulging to him where he could find them, but that is it, and that was her fulfilling a promise to someone she loved, and the reasoning, although not good is that it was to prevent the Mc of getting caught up in the conspiracy again and getting himself killed.

Again, she is at fault, but not for making them hate him since again, the Ex didn't hate him and she was the one that lied to the daughter, now you guys are just pilling shit on Deb without any logic.

Edit: this is not meant to sound angry. Also wittnotyoyo i would like to read your counter arguments.
Umm Deb had hundreds of chances to tell Milly MC her father had been looking for her for years and years if she had wanted to and/or convince Mary to make up a better lie for Milly. So yes Deb is every bit as guilty as the Ex. No her wanting to be nice to Mary does not excuse this, considering the emotional damage being done to Milly that she did see and noticed. That part to me is actually even more unforgivable damnation of her character as the lieing to MC. Since especially child Milly was innocent of all that had happened between them.

Besides by undermining MC at every chance she has and continuing the lie more or less even now after Milly saw the letter, she is endangering the lives of Milly and everyone who lives there and she should be aware of that with her background. She is playing her games not in a situation where everyone is having a happy holiday at an island and no danger is afoot, but in a situation where lives are at stake.

Also as you rightly say, if according to you MC was guilty of not telling Deb and Ex about why he got into jail, then where did they get the info that he would be in great danger if he continued that? They could only know that if they had a good idea who or what was behind that or were somehow themselves involved ...........

Also I would not be so sure that the Ex did not hate MC or hated/loved MC in equal measures, she said he was the only man she ever LOVED, past tense while writing when she was alive. Now that might not mean anything, but with everything else .....
 
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New theory: This is an origin story for the greatest villain. I'm not talking about Deb, but MC. At some point in this story, his mind breaks with all the anguish his family has caused him and starts murdering them all.

Scene: Dark basement, Deb hangs by a rope around her wrists. MC stand before her, tongs in hand. "You took everything from me! Now I'll take everything from you! Let's start with toes. You won't need toes anymore."

Obviously the game will need a bunch of new tags.
 

TundraLupus

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I love that your approach make you seem to be the Dev's alternate account. However there are a lot of things that may be contributed to a more complex story (Deb as instigator or traitor), junior writer/game developer, or just Dev losing multiple threads he spun.

Deb supposedly loves (be it pathologically or not) MC. Imagine yourself doing things Deb DID to MC in the game to a person you love. Would you consider yourself a good person or an utter scumbag?
- MC sacrifices his freedom and his family life for some moral higher ground (seems like an understandable thing given that he exhibits emotional sensibilities of a vacuum cleaner to his wife and daughter) Deb then uses his wife's resentment of that emotional detachment and the remaining "dangerous" situation to seduce her.
- MC, a broken man, betrayed by the army and by his wife, searches for 7 years to find the love of his life and his child - Deb remains in contact with them, actively helps them to stay hidden and not even only that, but that actively participate in emotional mutilation and manipulation of an underage child. She participates in conscious torture of the person she loves
- MC's daughter (basically an innocent in the whole mess) is methodically mentally abused and manipulated resulting in making herself twisted into a dysmorphic monster (by overtrainig and turning into Stallone). Deb perpetuates the lie that her father hates her, wants nothing to have with her, and has continued his life with another woman. Even if by some twisted logic the separation from MC is necessary for Milly's survival, the destruction of her mind is not - being in contact Deb could have hinted that her father still loves her or something along these lines.
- From the moment MC and Deb are both at Milly's Deb undermines "the person she loves" either to his face, in front of his daughter he needs to re-build his relationship with, in front of his LI. She does that by tearing him down, undermining his authority, being maximally inappropriate, rude, sexually predatorish. Marriages have been dissolved for less than that amount of verbal, physical and emotional abuse.
- Deb forces herself on every female MC seems to have interest in, was or wants to get close. She had no idea the flight attendant was going to turn serious, and has no inkling of Kimiko, but in line with her current behavior she would accost them in the same way she did MC's wife, Julia and Milly before being told by the MC
- Deb has mocked MC with Julia video, with Milly's picture, even when Milly treats her father wounds, she's watching porn on laptop in background???? All signs of affection towards MC for sure.

Only excuse for Deb I can find is hypothetical - the abuse and perversity by he parents in forming years that made her twisted, sick and emotionally unstable. Other than that she is actively working (consciously or not) against MC and his daughter
First, yes the years of abuse are more likely responsible for her behavior, but let's do this.

1. She cheated with the wife, that admitted having a thing for her since before the whole MC getting arrested by the way, and that is wrong, but she cheated with her brother as well so that cancel it-self out, and with the brother, there is no excuse, now can you be mad about it, in my opinion, no you can't, you knew she wasn't the monogamous type, and you yourself used that to your advantage using her to cheat on your wife and previous girlfriends, do I like that they did this, no, I don't, because personally I don't like cheating, but since it happened in-game I can't do anything about it, now for when she did it, would I have? probably no, so yeah kinda fucked up to try and get with someone as they are hurt, but it seems that this is her way to cope, everything to Deb is solved with sex.

2. Again, that is fucked up, I already said that mostly though, she loved both, not just the MC, and the whole idea, again, and I'm tired of presenting this point, again and again, they did it, supposedly to keep him away from what got him arrested and prevent his death, now, was that the best idea? Hell no, it is an awful one that does more harm than good, but that is something that people do, they force a situation "for your own good" without even realizing how bad of an idea, and the harm that it will cause, and a lot of times they will not admit they were in the wrong, that is most of the time the result of an abusive relationship with the parents, that translates to the rest.

3. First, she is not a monster, if you are gonna enter an argument with me keep your fucking opinion out of it(you were rude, so I'll be too, I hate when people comment on others bodies like that, fictional or not, that is a disgusting attitude), now, yes that is fucked up, I never denied that in any moment, but again, that was the mother wishes, if Deb didn't go along she would lose contact as well, so I can see a reason to do so, that is something that she has to atone for, and did you read the story? There is a reason given for this, a dumb reason, but a reason nonetheless, a reason that many parents use in real life, fucked up I know, but true.

4. She undermines him, that is true, and I already answered something similar, but that has no holding in his relationship with Milly, besides making her horny, also, the problem is in how the MC reacts, to what she does, I don't minder being sexual or rude or inappropriate, but the MC needs to have a moment to show that he is to be respected, at least in combat situations, and maybe some more reactions, but my MC is not embarrassed by her, so I don't have a real problem besides them not listening in combat situations, now if this is because you want Milly tp respect the Mc, that will take time, you said yourself she was taught that he didn't want her and has discovered the truth for about a day, this things won't be solved that fast, it has been a week in-game you have to remember that.

5. This one I didn't understand at all, with Milly she wanted to show the MC that she wasn't the only one interested in sexual contact, it was mostly to prove a point. With Julia, it was a "Look what you are missing out in, idiot" because if you played the game they invited him to a threesome, and the MC denied, I have already talked about this, and I wouldn't deny it and wish we had a choice in the matter. This for me made no sense, so what that she is watching porn? They have seen combat, some bruised ribs were what a got in training practicing martial arts, it isn't a big deal, also she has zero sexual hangups and is more of a friend to Milly then aunt, they were talking about that before the MC showed up and only continued after, that is it.

I have to find a way to link to this next time, I'm done repeating myself.

Edit: Also, no I'm not the dev's alt account, I don't have enough will power to make a game consistently, sadly, because I do love programming and writing stories.

Edit2: About the undermining: https://f95zone.to/threads/triple-ex-v0-05a-azrayal.39943/post-4013632
 
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First, yes the years of abuse are more likely responsible for her behavior, but let's do this.

1. She cheated with the wife, that admitted having a thing for her since before the whole MC getting arrested by the way, and that is wrong, but she cheated with her brother as well so that cancel it-self out, and with the brother, there is no excuse, now can you be mad about it, in my opinion, no you can't, you knew she wasn't the monogamous type, and you yourself used that to your advantage using her to cheat on your wife and previous girlfriends, do I like that they did this, no, I don't, because personally I don't like cheating, but since it happened in-game I can't do anything about it, now for when she did it, would I have? probably no, so yeah kinda fucked up to try and get with someone as they are hurt, but it seems that this is her way to cope, everything to Deb is solved with sex.

2. Again, that is fucked up, I already said that mostly though, she loved both, not just the MC, and the whole idea, again, and I'm tired of presenting this point, again and again, they did it, supposedly to keep him away from what got him arrested and prevent his death, now, was that the best idea? Hell no, it is an awful one that does more harm than good, but that is something that people do, they force a situation "for your own good" without even realizing how bad of an idea, and the harm that it will cause, and a lot of times they will not admit they were in the wrong, that is most of the time the result of an abusive relationship with the parents, that translates to the rest.

3. First, she is not a monster, if you are gonna enter an argument with me keep your fucking opinion out of it(you were rude, so I'll be too, I hate when people comment on others bodies like that, fictional or not, that is a disgusting attitude), now, yes that is fucked up, I never denied that in any moment, but again, that was the mother wishes, if Deb didn't go along she would lose contact as well, so I can see a reason to do so, that is something that she has to atone for, and did you read the story? There is a reason given for this, a dumb reason, but a reason nonetheless, a reason that many parents use in real life, fucked up I know, but true.

4. She undermines him, that is true, and I already answered something similar, but that has no holding in his relationship with Milly, besides making her horny, also, the problem is in how the MC reacts, to what she does, I don't minder being sexual or rude or inappropriate, but the MC needs to have a moment to show that he is to be respected, at least in combat situations, and maybe some more reactions, but my MC is not embarrassed by her, so I don't have a real problem besides them not listening in combat situations, now if this is because you want Milly tp respect the Mc, that will take time, you said yourself she was taught that he didn't want her and has discovered the truth for about a day, this things won't be solved that fast, it has been a week in-game you have to remember that.

5. This one I didn't understand at all, with Milly she wanted to show the MC that she wasn't the only one interested in sexual contact, it was mostly to prove a point. With Julia, it was a "Look what you are missing out in, idiot" because if you played the game they invited him to a threesome, and the MC denied, I have already talked about this, and I wouldn't deny it and wish we had a choice in the matter. This for me made no sense, so what that she is watching porn? They have seen combat, some bruised ribs were what a got in training practicing martial arts, it isn't a big deal, also she has zero sexual hangups and is more of a friend to Milly then aunt, they were talking about that before the MC showed up and only continued after, that is it.

I have to find a way to link to this next time, I'm done repeating myself.

Edit: Also, no I'm not the dev's alt account, I don't have enough will power to make a game consistently, sadly, because I do love programing and writing stories.
Add 5. lol if those are your friends, you really do not need enemies. Deb is as responsible as Mary for fucking up Milly's life and knowingly and willingly endangers it even further by undercutting MC for her own purposes, whether those are of a sexual or more nefarious reasons.

Deb does not even know the meaning of the word love, the only word she knows is me. Besides as an adult it was her job to protect her niece from abuse even if that would have cost her her relation with the Ex. No excuses possible for that one in my view.
 

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Umm Deb had hundreds of chances to tell Milly MC her father had been looking for her for years and years if she had wanted to and/or convince Mary to make up a better lie for Milly. So yes Deb is every bit as guilty as the Ex. No her wanting to be nice to Mary does not excuse this, considering the emotional damage being done to Milly that she did see and noticed. That part to me is actually even more unforgivable damnation of her character as the lieing to MC. Since especially child Milly was innocent of all that had happened between them.

Besides by undermining MC at every chance she has and continuing the lie more or less even now after Milly saw the letter, she is endangering the lives of Milly and everyone who lives there and she should be aware of that with her background. She is playing her games not in a situation where everyone is having a happy holiday at an island and no danger is afoot, but in a situation where lives are at stake.

Also as you rightly say, if according to you MC was guilty of not telling Deb and Ex about why he got into jail, then where did they get the info that he would be in great danger if he continued that? They could only know that if they had a good idea who or what was behind that or were somehow themselves involved ...........

Also I would not be so sure that the Ex did not hate MC or hated/loved MC in equal measures, she said he was the only man she ever LOVED, past tense while writing when she was alive. Now that might not mean anything, but with everything else .....
Already answered someone else about this, read my previous comment, although you do have new points so:

I agree that she should have come up with something better and that it is fucked up, why she didn't, well maybe they weren't smart enough, our thought that this was the best solution, again my other comment has more details.

Also answered before, twice actually, if I find my complete response i'll edit this with a hyperlink. https://f95zone.to/threads/triple-ex-v0-05a-azrayal.39943/post-4013632

They assumed, I assume, and either he would get himself killed or arrested again, probably for life this time, so there, even if he would not be dead he would be gone, satisfied?

No comment, until we get more in-game information.
 
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Already answered someone else about this, read my previous comment, although you do have new points so:

I agree that she should have come up with something better and that it is fucked up, why she didn't, well maybe they weren't smart enough, our thought that this was the best solution, again my other comment has more details.

Also answered before, twice actually, if I find my complete response i'll edit this with a hyperlink.

They assumed, I assume, and either he would get himself killed or arrested again, probably for life this time, so there, even if he would not be dead he would be gone, satisfied?

No comment, until we get more in-game information.
The more I think about it the more I think Marie and Deb were trying to walk a line. To keep MC out of their life forever,yet keep him out of jail on the off chance they might need him later.

And I'm still not convinced the Ex and her husband were murdered because of something the Senator did. I think it was something the ex did.
 
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Add 5. lol if those are your friends, you really do not need enemies. Deb is as responsible as Mary for fucking up Milly's life and knowingly and willingly endangers it even further by undercutting MC for her own purposes, whether those are of a sexual or more nefarious reasons.

Deb does not even know the meaning of the word love, the only word she knows is me. Besides as an adult it was her job to protect her niece from abuse even if that would have cost her her relation with the Ex. No excuses possible for that one in my view.
Already answered the undermining the MC, and instead of just complaining I even gave some tips for situations to fix it, i'll look it up to link it soon. https://f95zone.to/threads/triple-ex-v0-05a-azrayal.39943/post-4013632

Cool, that is your view, not mine, as I said I have given her a second chance, if she fucks up again then that is it, but so far I'm good, now this is something she would have to atone for, that is for sure, and I don't know if my MC will forgive her, but he doesn't know about it yet, and yeah adults supposedly should protect chieldren from abuse, but a lot of them don't know that they are being abusive, people are dumb, and people who were abused think of it as normal, so yeah, fucked up, I know, but so far that is it for me, I act on the information my MC has.
 
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