VN Ren'Py Trouble iN The aRena [Ep.7] [Sir Gary Bummer]

[vehemental]

Sir Gary Bummer I caught up with the game after writing my review, and while you did end up fleshing the events out more like I was hoping for, it seems to have come at the cost of a number of fantastic events happening completely off-screen in the last few updates. Svieda in particular just skipping progression completely, and missing so much content with Sara really sucks.

Are you going full court press for the endings or is there any chance these scenes could be filled in later? Would take the game from good to great IMO.

 

[Sir Gary Bummer]

Sir Gary Bummer I caught up with the game after writing my review, and while you did end up fleshing the events out more like I was hoping for, it seems to have come at the cost of a number of fantastic events happening completely off-screen in the last few updates. Svieda in particular just skipping progression completely, and missing so much content with Sara really sucks.

Are you going full court press for the endings or is there any chance these scenes could be filled in later? Would take the game from good to great IMO.

This last episode was pretty ambitious in scope, perhaps overly so, which left less room for spicy scenes. Adding more would've been possible, but it would've been at the cost of another month or two of development. As it is, it kinda wore me out, so I'm keen on pulling back the scope for a while.

I don't really feel like Sveida skipped progression, not between her and Ruru anyway. I could certainly see an argument between her and MC, there was definitely room for more buildup there. But I'm not sure what was missing between her and Ruru, maybe it's the BJ scene that happened almost entirely off-screen?

Personally, I quite enjoy having scenes that are merely hinted at, and I don't see it as missing content. But I understand not everyone has the same taste. Part of the purpose is also to show that things are happening, without having to write and render proper scenes. Ideally nothing completely new should happen via the phone, just variations on scenes that have, essentially, already happened. So, yeah, in retrospect that BJ scene might not have been ideal to sideline.

That said, I've no intentions of going back and adding things. As a person, I feel a strong need to keep moving forward, I need that momentum to carry me. Going back to fiddle with things in earlier episode would do terrible things to my motivation.
Though, I've certainly no intention of sprinting towards the ending, the last thing I want is to rush out a disappointing finale.

 

[abirvg]

Sir Gary Bummer I caught up with the game after writing my review, and while you did end up fleshing the events out more like I was hoping for, it seems to have come at the cost of a number of fantastic events happening completely off-screen in the last few updates. Svieda in particular just skipping progression completely, and missing so much content with Sara really sucks.

Are you going full court press for the endings or is there any chance these scenes could be filled in later? Would take the game from good to great IMO.

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Personally, I quite enjoy having scenes that are merely hinted at, and I don't see it as missing content.
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Same, I like 'em.
But not only that - "hinting scenes" also add variety. Cos they are fundamentally different scenes from the others around them.
When there's less shown - your information is incomplete - you can construct several variations of "what happened" in your head.

The princess' scene on the roof was one example.

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Now you have several hot scenes in your head - some of which even with [for now non-canon] character progressions, that keep you on your toes.
//And because everything is in your head - you can pick what you are into by yourself.

All of that from a single pic and some teasing texts.
Which is more efficient from a Dev's time stand-point, sure. But not only that.

It adds a fundamentally different "state of the reader's mind" - how his brain is thinking about the story before him.
It feels different from the scene before that. And from the scene after.
It's a variety.
And variety is good.

I don't really feel like Sveida skipped progression, not between her and Ruru anyway. I could certainly see an argument between her and MC, there was definitely room for more buildup there.

+over9000 for more tsundere-rival-with-childhood-friend-vibes-love-envy-jealousy dynamic.
But maybe in the future.

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[Sir Gary Bummer]

When there's less shown - your information is incomplete - you can construct several variations of "what happened" in your head.

I fully agree. But as can be seen earlier in the thread, quite a few people are of a different opinion. It is what it is, I've been committed to making the game I want to make since the beginning, not planning on changing that.

+over9000 for more tsundere-rival-with-childhood-friend-vibes-love-envy-jealousy dynamic.
But maybe in the future.

Hm. Maybe.

 

[xcalibar4]

So I got interested in learning 3d rendering but got confused on the way. Can someone guide me?

So what model is Saranhil based upon. She looks so cute and sexy. Is it Honey Select 2? I usually don't play games that has honey select 2, koitatsu/koikatsu model in them but recently played few games where it looks so good. Same goes for Daz3d type model renders some looks like they are from early 2000s and some look stunning.

 

[AgnorWolf]

Am I the only one who thinks the oblivious retard trope is starting to wear a bit thin, it was funny for the first maybe 4 chapters but its getting to a point where even porn logic cant save it and its now straight up eye rolling at the stupidness and its losing a lot of its charm for me. I get that its a parody and to not take it all that seriously but you can still hit a critical mass with this stuff where the scenes start to lose meaning, i think he needs to start putting a few things together sooner rather than later, even if its to add a bit of tension or friction to the scenes which feel like they kind of lack at the moment.

 

[ccco2]

I'd like to see netorare content with stronger emotional conflicts.
For example, if the MC chooses to treat the female character better, when Ruru makes a move on her, the female character will feel more guilt and even resist. Consequently, Ruru will have more scene options such as cheating, forcing, and giving up.
Furthermore, if the MC chooses to treat Ruru better, he can unlock netorase options, actively betraying the female character who likes him. This way, when Ruru takes action, it can make the female character feel the emotional conflict of being betrayed. And Ruru can correspondingly unlock more options, such as having the MC watch or even participate.

 

[abirvg]

I'd like to see netorare content with stronger emotional conflicts.
For example, if the MC chooses to treat the female character better, when Ruru makes a move on her, the female character will feel more guilt and even resist. Consequently, Ruru will have more scene options such as cheating, forcing, and giving up.
Furthermore, if the MC chooses to treat Ruru better, he can unlock netorase options, actively betraying the female character who likes him. This way, when Ruru takes action, it can make the female character feel the emotional conflict of being betrayed. And Ruru can correspondingly unlock more options, such as having the MC watch or even participate.

A lot of variations of the same scene will give us fewer scenes overall.
And it's easy to say "Just inject more drama and conflict in the story", but if you don't make it well you can make the characters unlikable - and fast. Even big screenwriters of TV-series struggle with it all the time.

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[ccco2]

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A lot of variations of the same scene will give us fewer scenes overall.
And it's easy to say "Just inject more drama and conflict in the story", but if you don't make it well you can make the characters unlikable - and fast. Even big screenwriters of TV-series struggle with it all the time.

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I acknowledge this is a rather demanding request and would place a significant burden on the author.

Nevertheless, I do hope to see a richer exploration of emotions within NTR narratives, such as the sadness of being deceived, the remorse of infidelity, the illicit thrill, the pain and anger of being betrayed to another. Extensive scenes are not necessary; even textual descriptions would suffice. These emotions would imbue NTR stories with a more vivid sense of realism.

Personally, I find it analogous to fishing; the most compelling aspect is the struggle and resistance of the fish once it has taken the bait.

 

[Sir Gary Bummer]

So I got interested in learning 3d rendering but got confused on the way. Can someone guide me?

So what model is Saranhil based upon. She looks so cute and sexy. Is it Honey Select 2? I usually don't play games that has honey select 2, koitatsu/koikatsu model in them but recently played few games where it looks so good. Same goes for Daz3d type model renders some looks like they are from early 2000s and some look stunning.

Yeah, the game is all in HS2. Using the mods in BetterRepack, of course.

Am I the only one who thinks the oblivious retard trope is starting to wear a bit thin, it was funny for the first maybe 4 chapters but its getting to a point where even porn logic cant save it and its now straight up eye rolling at the stupidness and its losing a lot of its charm for me. I get that its a parody and to not take it all that seriously but you can still hit a critical mass with this stuff where the scenes start to lose meaning, i think he needs to start putting a few things together sooner rather than later, even if its to add a bit of tension or friction to the scenes which feel like they kind of lack at the moment.

I mean, it's kind of the main shtick of the main character. For sure it's possible to take something like that too far, beyond where it's enjoyable. And I'm very much still learning how to make a game/story/character, so some wonkiness is to be expected. I do think there's room to add more tension, but I don't want it to be at the cost of making the main character someone he isn't.

號4

I acknowledge this is a rather demanding request and would place a significant burden on the author.

Nevertheless, I do hope to see a richer exploration of emotions within NTR narratives, such as the sadness of being deceived, the remorse of infidelity, the illicit thrill, the pain and anger of being betrayed to another. Extensive scenes are not necessary; even textual descriptions would suffice. These emotions would imbue NTR stories with a more vivid sense of realism.

Personally, I find it analogous to fishing; the most compelling aspect is the struggle and resistance of the fish once it has taken the bait.

I can certainly see the argument of strong negative emotions giving more spice to the narrative. There's a level of thrill and tension that could be added this way, but it has to be balanced against (what I think is) one of the main charms of the game, which is its lightheartedness.

So going deep into that path doesn't seem viable to me, having a slight hint of it, a whiff if you will, can be done. But any more threatens to turn the game into another type of game entirely. I think it's very tricky to balance, especially since I'm someone that's sort of emotionally numb myself, making it hard to portray negative feelings accurately. My sense of humor probably developed as a mechanism to divert such things in the first place.

It's a tricky balance, leaning into humor, but still wanting a story and characters with actual emotions that are taken seriously. To be honest, I'm already doing better than I thought I would. Much better.
That said, there's obviously plenty of room for improvement, so even if there's a lot of advice I won't take, I still appreciate well thought out feedback, so thanks for that.

 

[negeb18]

compressed?

 

[AtoriasDayne]

Nice game Sir Gary, i really like it. But may I ask if Saranhil can have sex with anyone other than Ruru in the future?

 

[Sir Gary Bummer]

Nice game Sir Gary, i really like it. But may I ask if Saranhil can have sex with anyone other than Ruru in the future?

I'm not planning on any other 'bulls' being in the game, no. I do have some thoughts and ideas about inter-harem shenanigans though. Can't be any more specific than that because, well, as per usual even I'm not entirely sure what the future holds.

 

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[Xvhfhhbvss]

Will Ruru make other girls grow chickens? The harem, carrying MC on their backs and using chickens to mess around with each other, is also very sentimental

 

[Bingoogus]

Well... i only really have one complaint about this game and it's stuff happening off-screen. Finding out that Ruru was getting head the whole time she was talking to the MC but only having it revealed near the end is annoying... i love the lead-in, i want to see the action from the start, seeing the cuck get cucked from the start, that's what actually makes this an enjoyable NTR for me. Earlier content in the game seemed to follow this rule rather strictly but towards the end of current content i found too much is being skipped... i mean, i hope the dev makes the game they want to make but if it's all the same, i feel like things might be veering off a bit in terms of the actual construction of the game as time goes on... i dunno though, maybe i'm full of shit but it did irk me a few times to find out i was missing out on seeing the start of things and i think it's worth mentioning that even if it goes no where.

 

[WzS]

Well... i only really have one complaint about this game and it's stuff happening off-screen. Finding out that Ruru was getting head the whole time she was talking to the MC but only having it revealed near the end is annoying... i love the lead-in, i want to see the action from the start, seeing the cuck get cucked from the start, that's what actually makes this an enjoyable NTR for me. Earlier content in the game seemed to follow this rule rather strictly but towards the end of current content i found too much is being skipped... i mean, i hope the dev makes the game they want to make but if it's all the same, i feel like things might be veering off a bit in terms of the actual construction of the game as time goes on... i dunno though, maybe i'm full of shit but it did irk me a few times to find out i was missing out on seeing the start of things and i think it's worth mentioning that even if it goes no where.

Many have voiced the same opinion earlier in the thread, especially since ep 6 update, and from what the dev said he might tone it down a bit, but it was Saranhil's would-be-2nd-anal-scene that got me, I felt like it was fine for the other girls but she should not get the same treatment.

 

[Ser Lordypants]

Well... i only really have one complaint about this game and it's stuff happening off-screen. Finding out that Ruru was getting head the whole time she was talking to the MC but only having it revealed near the end is annoying... i love the lead-in, i want to see the action from the start, seeing the cuck get cucked from the start, that's what actually makes this an enjoyable NTR for me. Earlier content in the game seemed to follow this rule rather strictly but towards the end of current content i found too much is being skipped... i mean, i hope the dev makes the game they want to make but if it's all the same, i feel like things might be veering off a bit in terms of the actual construction of the game as time goes on... i dunno though, maybe i'm full of shit but it did irk me a few times to find out i was missing out on seeing the start of things and i think it's worth mentioning that even if it goes no where.

Many people have said the same thing. Many didn't care and loved the update anyway. It seems like the dev is more focused on showing milestones. First kiss, handjob, blowjob, anal, etc. And views all the practice inbetween as redundant.

From the perspective of the player, episode 6 was a huge shift. Suddenly 90% of the Sara x Ruru content was hidden. On screen she changed clothes and mostly watched someone else give a blowjob. Off screen there were at least 3 blowjobs and 3 anal scenes. I stopped counting at some point.

But from the perspective of the dev, the big lewd scenes had to go to other girls. And they'll come back around to Saranhil eventually. There were never a bunch of minor lewd scenes between the milestones and there never will be. Probably. I'd love to be wrong about that

 

[abirvg]

Many people have said the same thing. Many didn't care and loved the update anyway. It seems like the dev is more focused on showing milestones. First kiss, handjob, blowjob, anal, etc. And views all the practice inbetween as redundant.

From the perspective of the player, episode 6 was a huge shift. Suddenly 90% of the Sara x Ruru content was hidden. On screen she changed clothes and mostly watched someone else give a blowjob. Off screen there were at least 3 blowjobs and 3 anal scenes. I stopped counting at some point.

But from the perspective of the dev, the big lewd scenes had to go to other girls. And they'll come back around to Saranhil eventually. There were never a bunch of minor lewd scenes between the milestones and there never will be. Probably. I'd love to be wrong about that

Well, you have a choice:
- Either you get a 'milestone' scene.
- Or you have just a repeat of the previous scene.

You need to choose one because they take the same amount of dev time.
What would it be?

 

[Ser Lordypants]

Well, you have a choice:
- Either you get a 'milestone' scene.
- Or you have just a repeat of the previous scene.

You need to choose one because they take the same amount of dev time.
What would it be?

No. They don't need to take the same amount of time. Corruption games often include both. Shorter repeat scenes would take less time, especially since they're in position for the selfies anyway, but the dev doesn't want to make shorter scenes. It was more of an artistic choice.

People keep going on about this so I was trying to summarize both points of view. So that my fellow degenerates understand that the important scenes will mostly likely still be shown. But also so the dev could understand why people feel they're missing out.

Enjoying the hidden scenes isn't a full explanation for why they took over the episode. It's almost like a different fetish. The cuck pov subgenre of ntr where the content is shadows and noises behind a door. The latest review says "Kinda feels like the game is cucking me at this point." That's the feel, even if it wasn't the goal.