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[Mommysbuttslut]

Okay, then! How about this scenario: hot teacher Sophie is married to horse-cock, studly teacher Zach; they have sex every single night and she's tired and sore from the continual assault; she falls in love with mini-cock, wimpy student Felix; they cheat on Zach (once a month) behind his back and she leaves Zach! Would that be different enough? Would anyone here play that game?

Actually ya I would. It's kinda like the ugly bastard trope applied to dick sizes. Woman is dating a handsome and capable dude but gets corrupted by the ugly bastards dick as he turns her into his meat toilet or personal onahole or whatever other creative description Japan comes up with next. It's humiliating for the cuck-kun because a legitimately good dude is being replaced by an ugly bastard who's outside of the cuckoldry in every rational way inferior to the cuck. It'd be the same dynamic as that, just instead of a guy who's uglier stinkier and less hygenic it's a dude who isn't traditionally attractive as a male and has under average dick size.
Who would a guy like Zack be more humiliated being cucked by, an ugly big dicked ojii-san who fucks and corrupts married women like Sophie into sluts as a hobby or Felix?

 

[Terix3]

Well, yeah.

Take the show "The Boyz" for example. Homelander is doing every manner of god awful thing in this show. It's those awful things that give the experience some weight... so in a way, you're interested to see what shit he's gonna get up to. But you're also dying to see him get his in the end. Adding a whole bunch of erotica into it doesn't change the core dynamic here.

I can’t relate to the example.
But in general I think it does change a lot. A show is just meant to be entertaining, whatever you watch to see him fuck up more shit or you want him to get his justice or both its all fine. But porn has the ultimate objective to be a fap material (regardless whatever one uses it as such or not) and some emotions like compassion will easily kill the mood.
If you say that there is no difference for you in how arousing a scene is if you feel emotionally attached to the victim or not – that's fine but I think for most there is a huge difference.

When you said the same stories being told the same way with the same ending is getting a little stale….i agree with you 100%. It is the best summation of the NTR games being made today. I wouldn’t mind if even 40% of them just followed the common practice of “wife meets egotistical jerk with horse sized cock, then falls in love with the horse sized cock, then leaves or cheats on husband (who has a tiny cock and lasts shorter than a TV commercial) and goes with the horse sized cock”. But why do 90% have to be this way? Why can’t we just come up with a better idea? But maybe it’s me who’s tired of playing these games. If you enjoy them good for you, its just gotten old for me

That's the nature of netorare, there is little room for variation.
Let's look at what makes netorare :
- It is ideal for the FMC to be pure, so pure that the very idea of cheating is outside her thoughts. This basically eliminates all consensual possibilities as ntr starter.
- I observed that people do not want MC to be the guilty party – again another starter gone

So what you are left with ? Blackmail, rape/ coercion and magic. And that is your plot.

Another thing is we are kinda victims of the tropes. Size inferiority, slutty appearance, oblivious MC, netorare can do without those. But through playing many games with those tropes we have those expectations – expectation that bull will be superior in sex and what is better way to do so then to give him giant dick and infinite stamina?. The expectation that anyone can see the change in morals in the FMC by just looking at her. Scenes where MC could any second discover the cheating spouse are like bread and butter of netorare. People like those things and devs are sure to purse what most people find exciting.

Finally the question is if those that do not follow the beaten path found success? I can't think of any and risk without reward is just not worth it.

 

[mannymulatto]

Well, yeah.

Take the show "The Boyz" for example. Homelander is doing every manner of god awful thing in this show. It's those awful things that give the experience some weight... so in a way, you're interested to see what shit he's gonna get up to. But you're also dying to see him get his in the end. Adding a whole bunch of erotica into it doesn't change the core dynamic here.

Yeah if this doesnt have "crash and burn"/"reap what you sow" type endings it will feel like a punch in the gut tbh. Zack and sophie getting a happy ending after watching them be absolutely awful people the whole story ruins all the build up tbh.
Heres my own crazy ending idea: One of zack's previous victims tracks him down and blows his head off in front of zoe and felix learns of sophies infidelity through this and initiates a divorce NOW THAT is an ending ppl will remember.

 

[mannymulatto]

I can’t relate to the example.
But in general I think it does change a lot. A show is just meant to be entertaining, whatever you watch to see him fuck up more shit or you want him to get his justice or both its all fine. But porn has the ultimate objective to be a fap material (regardless whatever one uses it as such or not) and some emotions like compassion will easily kill the mood.
If you say that there is no difference for you in how arousing a scene is if you feel emotionally attached to the victim or not – that's fine but I think for most there is a huge difference.

I like the cheating part of NTR which is why i like Netori a lot but its hard to quiet the voice of empathy when you're watching some guy falling apart as his life is destroyed. The cheating sex is hot but i don't enjoy watching the misery of those who've done nothing wrong.

 

[wolfling11]

I like the cheating part of NTR which is why i like Netori a lot but its hard to quiet the voice of empathy when you're watching some guy falling apart as his life is destroyed. The cheating sex is hot but i don't enjoy watching the misery of those who've done nothing wrong.

How would you react if felix ended up committing suicide ?

 

[mannymulatto]

How would you react if felix ended up committing suicide ?

Idk how id react but itd def turn me away from the game completely. I came here for horny not depression.

 

[Nefurien]

Yeah if this doesnt have "crash and burn"/"reap what you sow" type endings it will feel like a punch in the gut tbh. Zack and sophie getting a happy ending after watching them be absolutely awful people the whole story ruins all the build up tbh.
Heres my own crazy ending idea: One of zack's previous victims tracks him down and blows his head off in front of zoe and felix learns of sophies infidelity through this and initiates a divorce NOW THAT is an ending ppl will remember.

For me it's the contrary, Zack and Sophie not having a happy ending would ruin all the netorare build up we had until now. And that's because Felix, as of now, is not aware of the infidelity yet. So a bad ending for Sophie/Zack = no suffering, or less suffering, of the mc = ruined netorare ending.

 

[wolfling11]

Imagine Turning the page with this art style

 

[Sixty]

Okay, then! How about this scenario: hot teacher Sophie is married to horse-cock, studly teacher Zach; they have sex every single night and she's tired and sore from the continual assault; she falls in love with mini-cock, wimpy student Felix; they cheat on Zach (once a month) behind his back and she leaves Zach! Would that be different enough? Would anyone here play that game?

I mean, if the goal is to tell a story of public humiliation and really life-wrecking shame, what could be worse than the "alpha" big-dicked asshole losing out to a "beta"?

Imagine the things you could write in that scenario. MMC has a dick the size of a tree, fucks her brains out six days a week, does all the shit alpha males are supposed to do- makes big money, drives a penis extension, works out until he's built like Thor, bullies "lesser" men, all that... but loses her to a pear-shaped math professor who listens when she talks, cries at sad movies, watches Orphan Black with her, and eats pussy like a lesbian?

The alpha's friends would laugh at him until he had to move to Switzerland and become a monk. You could realistically write him being humiliated by every single person in his life. In reality, the MMC in this game would have all kinds of support and love from his community after she dumps him because his community is composed of decent human beings. It would be an alpha losing out to a beta that would really see his life become untenable, both internally and among his peers.

 

[mannymulatto]

For me it's the contrary, Zack and Sophie not having a happy ending would ruin all the netorare build up we had until now. And that's because Felix, as of now, is not aware of the infidelity yet. So a bad ending for Sophie/Zack = no suffering, or less suffering, of the mc = ruined netorare ending.

Honestly its crazy how people enjoy the same thing for completely different reason. I guess thats the beauty of art. I prefer Netorare where the guy getting cheated on gets as little time in the story as possible. Personally prefer Netori over Netorare by a mile though.

 

[JevilVerum]

I mean, if the goal is to tell a story of public humiliation and really life-wrecking shame, what could be worse than the "alpha" big-dicked asshole losing out to a "beta"?

Imagine the things you could write in that scenario. MMC has a dick the size of a tree, fucks her brains out six days a week, does all the shit alpha males are supposed to do- makes big money, drives a penis extension, works out until he's built like Thor, bullies "lesser" men, all that... but loses her to a pear-shaped math professor who listens when she talks, cries at sad movies, watches Orphan Black with her, and eats pussy like a lesbian?

The alpha's friends would laugh at him until he had to move to Switzerland and become a monk. You could realistically write him being humiliated by every single person in his life. In reality, the MMC in this game would have all kinds of support and love from his community after she dumps him because his community is composed of decent human beings. It would be an alpha losing out to a beta that would really see his life become untenable, both internally and among his peers.

I'm genuinely curious about the % of people who'd fap to that, or the success of a game with that setting

 

[Nefurien]

I prefer Netorare where the guy getting cheated on gets as little time in the story as possible.

Well.. that's not a netorare game. For a game to be correctly tagged netorare, it should have a big part of it being from the cuck pov. If it's from the female, it's just cheating. If it's from the stealer, it's netori. So saying "I prefer Netorare where the guy getting cheated on gets as little time in the story as possible." is basically saying: I don't like netorare games. And TtP is a netorare game..so yeah

 

[mannymulatto]

I mean, if the goal is to tell a story of public humiliation and really life-wrecking shame, what could be worse than the "alpha" big-dicked asshole losing out to a "beta"?

Imagine the things you could write in that scenario. MMC has a dick the size of a tree, fucks her brains out six days a week, does all the shit alpha males are supposed to do- makes big money, drives a penis extension, works out until he's built like Thor, bullies "lesser" men, all that... but loses her to a pear-shaped math professor who listens when she talks, cries at sad movies, watches Orphan Black with her, and eats pussy like a lesbian?

The alpha's friends would laugh at him until he had to move to Switzerland and become a monk. You could realistically write him being humiliated by every single person in his life. In reality, the MMC in this game would have all kinds of support and love from his community after she dumps him because his community is composed of decent human beings. It would be an alpha losing out to a beta that would really see his life become untenable, both internally and among his peers.

LMAO "Im leaving you craig ive found a better man."
"What?! Who could be better than me?"
*points to man who lost the genetic lottery on nearly every front*
"You filled my pussy but you could never fill my HEART!"

 

[mannymulatto]

Well.. that's not a netorare game. For a game to be correctly tagged netorare, it should have a big part of it being from the cuck pov. If it's from the female, it's just cheating. If it's from the stealer, it's netori. So saying "I prefer Netorare where the guy getting cheated on gets as little time in the story as possible." is basically saying: I don't like netorare games. And TtP is a netorare game..so yeah

Its Diet Netorare.....Netorare Lite? Decaf Netorare? Im not really a fan of true netorare but theres a part of it I like so i come for that part and ignore the rest if possible.

 

[mzer0]

For a game to be correctly tagged netorare, it should have a big part of it being from the cuck pov.

Wrong. The guy getting NTR'd doesn't need to play much of a role in the story for it to tagged as NTR. He just needs to exist.

Another example of reducing 'NTR as a genre' down to 'NTR you like'.

 

[Nefurien]

Wrong. The guy getting NTR'd doesn't need to play much of a role in the story for it to tagged as NTR. He just needs to exist.

Another example of reducing 'NTR as a genre' down to 'NTR you like'.

I guess you don't know what you are saying. Read this please :

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The protagonist's significant other, a very close friend, or in some cases, a close relative is stolen from him by someone seducing, coercing, blackmailing, outright raping them, or by using other techniques.

So yeah,the cuck needs to be the mc, it can't just "exist".

 

[Nefurien]

Wrong. The guy getting NTR'd doesn't need to play much of a role in the story for it to tagged as NTR. He just needs to exist.

Another example of reducing 'NTR as a genre' down to 'NTR you like'.

Also, I'm talking about netorare. You just said NTR, and that includes netori, so yeah you can tag it in the cover of a doujinshi as NTR but as in netori or netorase, not netorare.

 

[Sixty]

I'm genuinely curious about the % of people who'd fap to that, or the success of a game with that setting

I think if I was writing it I'd focus on that sort of baffling helpless feeling. Like, usually NTR from the MMC's point of view is helplessness in the face of a superior force, if you follow. And one of the feelings will be a confused betrayal stemming from "your" entire relationship suddenly meaning nothing in the face of the simple primal sex act. You've done everything right, loved her, built a life with her, been true and loving for years, and she's leaving for a big dick? Really? And nothing of your life together is more important to her? There's literally no way to keep her just because he can fuck???

Flip it on its head and look for the same emotions. You've done everything you were supposed to- played football, built your body, dominated weaker men, "won" in every way, and she's slipping away because this little fucker knows the difference between second and third wave feminism??? Because he likes Taylor Swift? He drives a fucking Corolla and doesn't even LIFT! How can this be happening???

So you summon the same emotions with the game. Write some scenes where people see her interacting with the invader, but again, flipped. Where you would usually write their obvious physical attraction and the nemesis' physical dominance, now the humiliation comes from her very obviously connecting with the other guy in a way your meaty head will never be able to copy. Instead of waking up in the middle of the night to hear them fucking, the MMC wakes up in the middle of the night and they're in their eighth hour of talking about chick flicks, sitting on the couch all animated and laughing and connecting in a way you can't stop.

For the sex scenes, you could show the MMC fucking her hard like a proper alpha, then when the antagonist gets his shot don't even have him use his dick. Have him kiss and pet her until she's going crazy, then make her cum with his fingers. And then, since fingers don't have a refractory period, immediately do it again. Could make a pretty sexy scene out of a dude showing a woman new heights of pleasure the way other women do it, with fingers and mouth and toys.

And then flip the usual FMC transformation. Show her dressing super sexy for the alpha at first, then as she bonds with the nerdy nemesis have her stop dying her hair and wearing booty shorts or whatever and end up looking like this game's FMC in the cover shot. Let her discovery of herself mean becoming a nerdy dream girl as opposed to a hypersexed Barbie doll.

I think you'd want to make the MMC sympathetic by making him a muscly dude of the type we play in games. Batman gets cucked, basically. Otherwise the audience would sympathize with the antagonist, seeing as how we're all a bunch of nerds. But you could probably do it.

Fuck, now I wish I had artistic skills. I might actually try to write this story for my Lit page.

Edit: I can't type.

 

[mzer0]

I guess you don't know what you are saying. Read this please :

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The protagonist's significant other, a very close friend, or in some cases, a close relative is stolen from him by someone seducing, coercing, blackmailing, outright raping them, or by using other techniques.

So yeah,the cuck needs to be the mc, it can't just "exist".

VNDB is not law. They're more like suggestions.

For example, this game (

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) is tagged as 'NTR' and 'Unavoidable NTR' even though the girl is the protagonist and her boyfriend only shows up occasionally during the story (long distance relationship). Most of the story is spent on her and the guy she's cheating with. Still NTR, though. Because her boyfriend exists in the story.

 

[Nefurien]

VNDB is not law. They're more like suggestions.

For example, this game (

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) is tagged as 'NTR' and 'Unavoidable NTR' even though the girl is the protagonist and her boyfriend only shows up occasionally during the story (long distance relationship). Most of the story is spent on her and the guy she's cheating with. Still NTR, though. Because her boyfriend exists in the story.

I don't think finding a game tagged wrongly is a good way to counter what I'm saying. Every definition of netorare is about getting someone stolen from you. So you need to be the mc for it to be netorare. And if you are the mc of the game, how can you have a minor part in the story?