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[RonaldGrand6969]

Respectfully, no it doesn't.

*gets on soap box*

I repeat, a partner/love interest that doesn't have sex with anyone but the MC is the only thing that 'goes against NTR'.

You are confusing 'what you like about NTR' which is narrow, with 'everything that NTR can be' which is broad. I doesn't matter how common or uncommon it is. As long as the FMC is getting fucked by a third party, then it's NTR. How it starts, how it progress, and how it ends are completely unimportant and can be literally anything you can think of. Telling someone that what they like 'goes against NTR' just because it deviates from a common trope is just more "stop liking what I don't like" logic.

It's like telling people who like lesbian NTR that it 'goes against NTR' because lesbian NTR is rare and you think NTR can only happen with a dick.

It's like telling people who like BSS or MomNTR that it 'goes against NTR' because you think NTR can only happen in a committed relationship.

It's like telling people that like NTR Type-C that it 'goes against NTR' because the girl never falls or betrays the MC.

When you do this you're effectively reducing an entire genre to the narrow part of it that you can see and enjoy while invalidating anyone that is capable of seeing and enjoying more.

And this is why the genre is slowly dying.

Edit: A word.

Maybe I should've rephrased it better. You're right, Revenge doesn't go AGAINST the definition of the Genre, and can even compliment it in fact, but it rarely happens, and with Cuckold/Corruption being literally 99% of the Content anyways, what the fuck is the point of reading and whining about all of that 99% JUST to see the Revenge Ending?

The Genre sure as shit isn't dying because of this, NTR is literally one of the most popular Sexual Topics in porn (if not controversial but that's besides the point).

NTR's definition is literally:
"The NTR in the title stands for netorare, which translates to "cheating" in Japanese. While the term is similar to cuckold ("husband of an adulterous wife") the couples involved here are not in a marital affair. In the story, the two girls cheat on their boyfriends by doing things with each other."

Does this set up for Revenge? Sure, it can. But that doesn't mean every NTR needs or should be expected to have a Revenge Ending. The focus is Cheating, and there for you should expect Cheating as its primary focus and nothing else, which is why that applies to 90% of NTR in the first place, and why there's a lack of Revenge.

Whether there's Revenge, Anal, Lesbians, you name it, that's all just a bonus surprise that can apply to pretty much anything. Hating the Genre with 99% Cheating because it doesn't feature a whimsical Revenge Ending is just setting yourself up for a bad time, you might as well go somewhere else if that's your only value in the Genre.

 

[mzer0]

I spoilered my response to this guy so it won't be an eyesore. Read it if you care, otherwise carry on.

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I think it's pretty reasonable to enjoy watching the corruption but also look forward to seeing the scumbags get their comeuppance in the end.

That's because it is reasonable. Just a little uncommon in this genre. Doesn't mean you can't hope for it every now and then, though. Especially when a story succeeds in drawing you in.

Try not to pay too much attention to those who have difficulty with the idea that other people might be *gasp* 'different' and have interests in more than just the same old stories.

Are you really enjoying the netorare then ? When I start feeling for the characters I start not enjoying the netorare.

^ This is an example of someone who has such a difficulty. "You don't like what I like the way I like it so you must be liking it wrong or something."

I'm actually breaking my own rules by arguing with them. Then again, I was bored today.

 

[Adviar5050]

When you said the same stories being told the same way with the same ending is getting a little stale….i agree with you 100%. It is the best summation of the NTR games being made today. I wouldn’t mind if even 40% of them just followed the common practice of “wife meets egotistical jerk with horse sized cock, then falls in love with the horse sized cock, then leaves or cheats on husband (who has a tiny cock and lasts shorter than a TV commercial) and goes with the horse sized cock”. But why do 90% have to be this way? Why can’t we just come up with a better idea? But maybe it’s me who’s tired of playing these games. If you enjoy them good for you, its just gotten old for me

 

[tata19]

I imagine an ending with Sophie pregnant with Zack and abandoned and Felix accepting her and showing her what a better person he is. That would be a worthy ending, let's say, for Felix because of how things are going.

 

[Bir2]

Okay felix suicide ending is not popular with yall how about felix revenge ending for me felix should buy a gun, go through a training montage like

Spoiler: Felix training montage

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this and confront them when zack and sophie are happie together with one swift aim and trigger pull to zacks head just like that felix ends the source of his misery

Now this is an ending I would love, but a shot to the head wouldn't be enough, it's a very quick punishment in exchange for everything Zack and Sophie did to him

 

[maiie]

Are you really enjoying the netorare then ? When I start feeling for the characters I start not enjoying the netorare.
It's not like both can't happen at the same time but I'm thinking ideal situation. In ideal netorare I don't feel anything towards characters so there is nothing to spoil me enjoying the corruption.

Well, yeah.

Take the show "The Boyz" for example. Homelander is doing every manner of god awful thing in this show. It's those awful things that give the experience some weight... so in a way, you're interested to see what shit he's gonna get up to. But you're also dying to see him get his in the end. Adding a whole bunch of erotica into it doesn't change the core dynamic here.

 

[wolfling11]

I imagine an ending with Sophie pregnant with Zack and abandoned and Felix accepting her and showing her what a better person he is. That would be a worthy ending, let's say, for Felix because of how things are going.

The cuck with noble heart trope Lmao

 

[tata19]

The cuck with noble heart trope Lmao

well it's a kind of double humiliation

 

[Gallows1313]

That's like some of the endings from a few ANIM.teamMM games. Cuck's wife gets knocked up by the bull but Cuck-kun still loves his wife so he raises the kid.

 

[Walter Victor]

When you said the same stories being told the same way with the same ending is getting a little stale….i agree with you 100%. It is the best summation of the NTR games being made today. I wouldn’t mind if even 40% of them just followed the common practice of “wife meets egotistical jerk with horse sized cock, then falls in love with the horse sized cock, then leaves or cheats on husband (who has a tiny cock and lasts shorter than a TV commercial) and goes with the horse sized cock”. But why do 90% have to be this way? Why can’t we just come up with a better idea? But maybe it’s me who’s tired of playing these games. If you enjoy them good for you, its just gotten old for me

Okay, then! How about this scenario: hot teacher Sophie is married to horse-cock, studly teacher Zach; they have sex every single night and she's tired and sore from the continual assault; she falls in love with mini-cock, wimpy student Felix; they cheat on Zach (once a month) behind his back and she leaves Zach! Would that be different enough? Would anyone here play that game?

 

[Adviar5050]

Okay, then! How about this scenario: hot teacher Sophie is married to horse-cock, studly teacher Zach; they have sex every single night and she's tired and sore from the continual assault; she falls in love with mini-cock, wimpy student Felix; they cheat on Zach (once a month) behind his back and she leaves Zach! Would that be different enough? Would anyone here play that game?

Why does it always have to be giant cock vs small cock? Why can't the FMC just want something different or is bored with her sex life? Like I said, the concept of being corrupted by the horse sized dick is fine I just think its over used

 

[porkone]

>Why does it always have to be giant cock vs small cock?

Because its about "primal". Bigger, faster, stronger.

 

[ItsNotUs]

>Why does it always have to be giant cock vs small cock?

Because its about "primal". Bigger, faster, stronger.

David vs Galiath!?
One clear blow and the mountain will fall!

 

[wolfling11]

That's like some of the endings from a few ANIM.teamMM games. Cuck's wife gets knocked up by the bull but Cuck-kun still loves his wife so he raises the kid.

It's standard ending with this genre

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

Okay, then! How about this scenario: hot teacher Sophie is married to horse-cock, studly teacher Zach; they have sex every single night and she's tired and sore from the continual assault; she falls in love with mini-cock, wimpy student Felix; they cheat on Zach (once a month) behind his back and she leaves Zach! Would that be different enough? Would anyone here play that game?

Actually ya I would. It's kinda like the ugly bastard trope applied to dick sizes. Woman is dating a handsome and capable dude but gets corrupted by the ugly bastards dick as he turns her into his meat toilet or personal onahole or whatever other creative description Japan comes up with next. It's humiliating for the cuck-kun because a legitimately good dude is being replaced by an ugly bastard who's outside of the cuckoldry in every rational way inferior to the cuck. It'd be the same dynamic as that, just instead of a guy who's uglier stinkier and less hygenic it's a dude who isn't traditionally attractive as a male and has under average dick size.
Who would a guy like Zack be more humiliated being cucked by, an ugly big dicked ojii-san who fucks and corrupts married women like Sophie into sluts as a hobby or Felix?

 

[Terix3]

Well, yeah.

Take the show "The Boyz" for example. Homelander is doing every manner of god awful thing in this show. It's those awful things that give the experience some weight... so in a way, you're interested to see what shit he's gonna get up to. But you're also dying to see him get his in the end. Adding a whole bunch of erotica into it doesn't change the core dynamic here.

I can’t relate to the example.
But in general I think it does change a lot. A show is just meant to be entertaining, whatever you watch to see him fuck up more shit or you want him to get his justice or both its all fine. But porn has the ultimate objective to be a fap material (regardless whatever one uses it as such or not) and some emotions like compassion will easily kill the mood.
If you say that there is no difference for you in how arousing a scene is if you feel emotionally attached to the victim or not – that's fine but I think for most there is a huge difference.

When you said the same stories being told the same way with the same ending is getting a little stale….i agree with you 100%. It is the best summation of the NTR games being made today. I wouldn’t mind if even 40% of them just followed the common practice of “wife meets egotistical jerk with horse sized cock, then falls in love with the horse sized cock, then leaves or cheats on husband (who has a tiny cock and lasts shorter than a TV commercial) and goes with the horse sized cock”. But why do 90% have to be this way? Why can’t we just come up with a better idea? But maybe it’s me who’s tired of playing these games. If you enjoy them good for you, its just gotten old for me

That's the nature of netorare, there is little room for variation.
Let's look at what makes netorare :
- It is ideal for the FMC to be pure, so pure that the very idea of cheating is outside her thoughts. This basically eliminates all consensual possibilities as ntr starter.
- I observed that people do not want MC to be the guilty party – again another starter gone

So what you are left with ? Blackmail, rape/ coercion and magic. And that is your plot.

Another thing is we are kinda victims of the tropes. Size inferiority, slutty appearance, oblivious MC, netorare can do without those. But through playing many games with those tropes we have those expectations – expectation that bull will be superior in sex and what is better way to do so then to give him giant dick and infinite stamina?. The expectation that anyone can see the change in morals in the FMC by just looking at her. Scenes where MC could any second discover the cheating spouse are like bread and butter of netorare. People like those things and devs are sure to purse what most people find exciting.

Finally the question is if those that do not follow the beaten path found success? I can't think of any and risk without reward is just not worth it.

 

[mannymulatto]

Well, yeah.

Take the show "The Boyz" for example. Homelander is doing every manner of god awful thing in this show. It's those awful things that give the experience some weight... so in a way, you're interested to see what shit he's gonna get up to. But you're also dying to see him get his in the end. Adding a whole bunch of erotica into it doesn't change the core dynamic here.

Yeah if this doesnt have "crash and burn"/"reap what you sow" type endings it will feel like a punch in the gut tbh. Zack and sophie getting a happy ending after watching them be absolutely awful people the whole story ruins all the build up tbh.
Heres my own crazy ending idea: One of zack's previous victims tracks him down and blows his head off in front of zoe and felix learns of sophies infidelity through this and initiates a divorce NOW THAT is an ending ppl will remember.

 

[mannymulatto]

I can’t relate to the example.
But in general I think it does change a lot. A show is just meant to be entertaining, whatever you watch to see him fuck up more shit or you want him to get his justice or both its all fine. But porn has the ultimate objective to be a fap material (regardless whatever one uses it as such or not) and some emotions like compassion will easily kill the mood.
If you say that there is no difference for you in how arousing a scene is if you feel emotionally attached to the victim or not – that's fine but I think for most there is a huge difference.

I like the cheating part of NTR which is why i like Netori a lot but its hard to quiet the voice of empathy when you're watching some guy falling apart as his life is destroyed. The cheating sex is hot but i don't enjoy watching the misery of those who've done nothing wrong.

 

[wolfling11]

I like the cheating part of NTR which is why i like Netori a lot but its hard to quiet the voice of empathy when you're watching some guy falling apart as his life is destroyed. The cheating sex is hot but i don't enjoy watching the misery of those who've done nothing wrong.

How would you react if felix ended up committing suicide ?

 

[mannymulatto]

How would you react if felix ended up committing suicide ?

Idk how id react but itd def turn me away from the game completely. I came here for horny not depression.