VN Ren'Py Turning the Page [v0.31.0] [Azienda]

[ItsNotUs]

All those posts about "Why NTR always this" or "Why there is no NTR does that" makes me question if those people are here for NTR or just seek something different from their regular romance stuff?

FMC becoming corrupted through sex is one of things that give people the kick in this kink, more so she needs to value good dicking above all else like stable job, family, friends whatnot. In many NTR you may notice the stealing guy lacking any positive traits besides big dick and sex skills, extreme case of that is your ugly bastard hobo. I'm sure that rings the bell.
You don't need all that, I think the cut off line is when it becomes sensible for the girl to drop her current partner in favor of better one (outside of sex). TtP uses the socially unacceptable student-teacher relationship to strengthen that "line" so none can see Sophie as making the right choice there.
As for corruption through sex, it would absolutely be possible for girl to fall to sex skill alone but the size inferiority is a very primal thing. You don't need to think - you can see the difference and that is very important thing. It also enables all the derogatory comments / huby humiliation.

 

[JevilVerum]

All those posts about "Why NTR always this" or "Why there is no NTR does that" makes me question if those people are here for NTR or just seek something different from their regular romance stuff?

FMC becoming corrupted through sex is one of things that give people the kick in this kink, more so she needs to value good dicking above all else like stable job, family, friends whatnot. In many NTR you may notice the stealing guy lacking any positive traits besides big dick and sex skills, extreme case of that is your ugly bastard hobo. I'm sure that rings the bell.
You don't need all that, I think the cut off line is when it becomes sensible for the girl to drop her current partner in favor of better one (outside of sex). TtP uses the socially unacceptable student-teacher relationship to strengthen that "line" so none can see Sophie as making the right choice there.
As for corruption through sex, it would absolutely be possible for girl to fall to sex skill alone but the size inferiority is a very primal thing. You don't need to think - you can see the difference and that is very important thing. It also enables all the derogatory comments / huby humiliation.

Totally agree. Not sure why netorare games attract people that just keep complaining and complaining and complaining. And that continue commenting and/or insulting after they said they don't like the game or the genre. Noticed that here and in other netorare threads. Best thing to do is to ignore and move on.

 

[alyssssssssss]

All those posts about "Why NTR always this" or "Why there is no NTR does that" makes me question if those people are here for NTR or just seek something different from their regular romance stuff?

FMC becoming corrupted through sex is one of things that give people the kick in this kink, more so she needs to value good dicking above all else like stable job, family, friends whatnot. In many NTR you may notice the stealing guy lacking any positive traits besides big dick and sex skills, extreme case of that is your ugly bastard hobo. I'm sure that rings the bell.
You don't need all that, I think the cut off line is when it becomes sensible for the girl to drop her current partner in favor of better one (outside of sex). TtP uses the socially unacceptable student-teacher relationship to strengthen that "line" so none can see Sophie as making the right choice there.
As for corruption through sex, it would absolutely be possible for girl to fall to sex skill alone but the size inferiority is a very primal thing. You don't need to think - you can see the difference and that is very important thing. It also enables all the derogatory comments / huby humiliation.

I don't criticize the game because I hate NTR, I criticize some situations that I find too comical and even stupid, I agree with you on many things, but if as you say, a woman at a certain point chooses something better, then, once that Sofy declares her love to Zack, should be directed with Felix, because by now we players have seen all the sex had by the two lovers, which remains a threesome, but then, I criticize those situations because they make you laugh, like seeing a too stupid a character like Felix, who deserves all the bad for how he lives, but even there, then, there is a limit, a porno must have a priority, to excite those who play, not make us laugh at stupid things.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

but even there, then, there is a limit, a porno must have a priority, to excite those who play, not make us laugh at stupid things.

Idk quite a few years ago I was watching a video on pornhub about two step siblings sharing a hotel room and while they were fucking Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives started on the TV they had in the background and they stopped fucking for a minute to take a quick trip to flavour town and years later that moment still stuck with me. Like next most memorable porn moment was at the end of a Japanese schoolgirl video where a bunch of guys walked in after a completely vanilla sex scene carrying chairs, formed a circle around her, dropped their pants, faced away from her and started spraying her with projectile diarrhea. Like I'm with you the the big cock brainwashing is a tired and tbh kinda lazy trope in NTR but my life has received limitless meaning from porn making me laugh at stupid things.

 

[alyssssssssss]

Idk quite a few years ago I was watching a video on pornhub about two step siblings sharing a hotel room and while they were fucking Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives started on the TV they had in the background and they stopped fucking for a minute to take a quick trip to flavour town and years later that moment still stuck with me. Like next most memorable porn moment was at the end of a Japanese schoolgirl video where a bunch of guys walked in after a completely vanilla sex scene carrying chairs, formed a circle around her, dropped their pants, faced away from her and started spraying her with projectile diarrhea. Like I'm with you the the big cock brainwashing is a tired and tbh kinda lazy trope in NTR but my life has received limitless meaning from porn making me laugh at stupid things.

Videos or films on PornHub are an end in themselves, you only see sex videos no longer than 30 minutes, you don't find stories, if you go to video sites where you have hot wives, well you have them to enjoy well-made stories and also It's nice to see the progression, in a story, you have to keep things imaginative, but at a certain point, even logical, they are games, of course, but if I play porn I want to be hot, no laughing, maybe my English makes too many mistakes , and there are misunderstandings, but if you take the game all this time now to a level that everything has been seen about sex and betrayal, excluding two or three things, now we should have the final answers, it's no as some are asking, which Dofy has to get fucked by more people, whoever says this has understood nothing about this game.

 

[JevilVerum]

Videos or films on PornHub are an end in themselves, you only see sex videos no longer than 30 minutes, you don't find stories, if you go to video sites where you have hot wives, well you have them to enjoy well-made stories and also It's nice to see the progression, in a story, you have to keep things imaginative, but at a certain point, even logical, they are games, of course, but if I play porn I want to be hot, no laughing, maybe my English makes too many mistakes , and there are misunderstandings, but if you take the game all this time now to a level that everything has been seen about sex and betrayal, excluding two or three things, now we should have the final answers, it's no as some are asking, which Dofy has to get fucked by more people, whoever says this has understood nothing about this game.

Thank goodness we have you here who understands everything about the game!

 

[alyssssssssss]

Thank goodness we have you here who understands everything about the game!

he's the one who said I understand the game, but I don't think he's the only one who knows how the Dev works, and if we've seen each other here all this time, Zack and Sofy, it means that no other male is going to fuck her. I don't think it takes a genius to figure that out.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

Videos or films on PornHub are an end in themselves, you only see sex videos no longer than 30 minutes, you don't find stories, if you go to video sites where you have hot wives, well you have them to enjoy well-made stories and also It's nice to see the progression, in a story, you have to keep things imaginative, but at a certain point, even logical, they are games, of course, but if I play porn I want to be hot, no laughing, maybe my English makes too many mistakes , and there are misunderstandings, but if you take the game all this time now to a level that everything has been seen about sex and betrayal, excluding two or three things, now we should have the final answers, it's no as some are asking, which Dofy has to get fucked by more people, whoever says this has understood nothing about this game.

The surprise poop video was on its own site dedicated to JAV long before pornhub and redtube and the rest got big, and the flavour town was I think a 6 part series about the step siblings. Like don't get me wrong yes pornhub is mostly either short format advertisements and longer videos with just sex but it did used to be a lot better.

 

[JevilVerum]

he's the one who said I understand the game, but I don't think he's the only one who knows how the Dev works, and if we've seen each other here all this time, Zack and Sofy, it means that no other male is going to fuck her. I don't think it takes a genius to figure that out.

I think they might have been talking about the route split that literally just happened, and that will obviously have group content? So yeah she's going to have sex with more people than Zack at least in one route. Also, you say Sophie should be direct with Felix but in the last update we perfectly saw why she's still with him. It's all written in the game.

 

[ItsNotUs]

Totally agree. Not sure why netorare games attract people that just keep complaining and complaining and complaining. And that continue commenting and/or insulting after they said they don't like the game or the genre. Noticed that here and in other netorare threads. Best thing to do is to ignore and move on.

Did you even read what he wrote?

He answered those who say and ask or want to see a "different" NTR!

All NTR like cliche with a huge magic dick and etc. But something new and completely different - is it so difficult?
NO, many NTR projects have good screenwriters, simply because of people like "you", whey making clichés and not something new!
It's like the series The Walking Dead, at first everything was cool and then they dragged Santa Barbara into such a state that there are simply no words! And now, instead of making a normal logical ending, they started producing separate series about each hero of the original story!

 

[Terix3]

I don't criticize the game because I hate NTR, I criticize some situations that I find too comical and even stupid, I agree with you on many things, but if as you say, a woman at a certain point chooses something better, then, once that Sofy declares her love to Zack, should be directed with Felix, because by now we players have seen all the sex had by the two lovers, which remains a threesome, but then, I criticize those situations because they make you laugh, like seeing a too stupid a character like Felix, who deserves all the bad for how he lives, but even there, then, there is a limit, a porno must have a priority, to excite those who play, not make us laugh at stupid things.

Attempting to read this is just painful. I try to be understanding with bad English as mine is not perfect either but at one point it is not reading, it is guessing. And I question how much you really understand from the story …

You already given the game 1 star and there are plenty of others that has given it 5, is it so hard to move on and accept the game maybe not for you ? Some situations may be comical for you but it doesn’t mean they are such for others. And that is as far as my understanding of your post goes lol.

 

[JevilVerum]

Did you even read what he wrote?

He answered those who say and ask or want to see a "different" NTR!

All NTR like cliche with a huge magic dick and etc. But something new and completely different - is it so difficult?
NO, many NTR projects have good screenwriters, simply because of people like "you", whey making clichés and not something new!
It's like the series The Walking Dead, at first everything was cool and then they dragged Santa Barbara into such a state that there are simply no words! And now, instead of making a normal logical ending, they started producing separate series about each hero of the original story!

I think you should read their message again.

The discussion here is that it's clear that certain kinds of games, with classic elements that are loved by fans, will always be made and people will like them, especially if they are well written. Complaining about a game that makes use of classic netorare elements makes no sense, because netorare has simple elements at its core. Betrayal, humiliation, badmouthing, comparisons et cetera. Making a "new" game as you say, could be a huge disappointment for netorare fans who simply want to read and fap to the stuff they like. The corruption of a heroine doesn't need to be complex. She goes from cute and loyal to a cheater that wants good sex. That's what's hot and what 99% of readers seek. Because it's primal, as the other user said. If you add too much drama to a netorare game it lessens that aspect, that desire to satisfy the flesh sought by the female mc. Sometimes, simple is better, especially if we are talking about products that have a purely nukige origin.

 

[Terix3]

Totally agree. Not sure why netorare games attract people that just keep complaining and complaining and complaining. And that continue commenting and/or insulting after they said they don't like the game or the genre. Noticed that here and in other netorare threads. Best thing to do is to ignore and move on.

Yea I do ignore them most of the time, but sometimes they accumulate in few pages and one may think that their opinion is the dominant one.

 

[azel1]

Submitting for a lesbian NTR that subverts the normal tropes where instead the Zack character's huge wang is actually a NEGATIVE issue for the wife and a chad woman breaks her sexuality and steals the wife away

I second this suggestion! Speaking of which, after finishing your recent game, The Siren's Song, maybe your next project could have something like that.... I know I would be for it lol

 

[ItsNotUs]

I think you should read their message again.

The discussion here is that it's clear that certain kinds of games, with classic elements that are loved by fans, will always be made and people will like them, especially if they are well written. Complaining about a game that makes use of classic netorare elements makes no sense, because netorare has simple elements at its core. Betrayal, humiliation, badmouthing, comparisons et cetera. Making a "new" game as you say, could be a huge disappointment for netorare fans who simply want to read and fap to the stuff they like. The corruption of a heroine doesn't need to be complex. She goes from cute and loyal to a cheater that wants good sex. That's what's hot and what 99% of readers seek. Because it's primal, as the other user said. If you add too much drama to a netorare game it lessens that aspect, that desire to satisfy the flesh sought by the female mc. Sometimes, simple is better, especially if we are talking about products that have a purely nukige origin.

Yes. Well, that means i misunderstood the entire context of the conversation - if anyone was offended by my words, forgive me - but i still remain in the opinion that NTR is a cliché - i want something new in this area!

 

[JevilVerum]

Yes. Well, that means i misunderstood the entire context of the conversation - if anyone was offended by my words, forgive me - but i still remain in the opinion that NTR is a cliché - i want something new in this area!

There is nothing wrong with wanting different types of games. But complaining and criticizing those who do classic netorare it's not the right thing to do in my opinion. And here's why: there aren't many 2D games with good netorare content.

I don't think anyone could name more than five or six. I emphasize that I'm talking about netorare, not netorase. There are many more 3D games with netorare stories that could do what you want, experimenting with the genre, but if you take away TtP and 2/3 other devs out of the equation of 2D games, there is hardly any VN material left that is made by western devs and that it's of good quality.

I'm firmly convinced that we need to have some games featuring that "cliché" netorare you talk about, if people stopped doing it, we would miss it.

 

[ItsNotUs]

There is nothing wrong with wanting different types of games. But complaining and criticizing those who do classic netorare it's not the right thing to do in my opinion. And here's why: there aren't many 2D games with good netorare content.

I don't think anyone could name more than five or six. I emphasize that I'm talking about netorare, not netorase. There are many more 3D games with netorare stories that could do what you want, experimenting with the genre, but if you take away TtP and 2/3 other devs out of the equation of 2D games, there is hardly any VN material left that is made by western devs and that it's of good quality.

I'm firmly convinced that we need to have some games featuring that "cliché" netorare you talk about, if people stopped doing it, we would miss it.

I'm not saying they should stop doing this.

What i'm saying is that their core fan base is happy with them making "clichés"! And the devs themselves cannot do otherwise, because, whatever you say, this is their income!
Yes, there are 3D projects in different directions, but there are few truly high-quality projects and those that are really good, i personally cannot characterize as NTR games, rather, they contain elements of NTR, as it has become fashionable to call the concept of cheating, and etc.
Yes, i would be very interested to see a similar project for this game in 2D.
Or for example, it was possible to make a couple of "good endings" in this story! Not the ones that you made the choice not to cheat at the beginning and The end! But where despite everything that happened during the game, the couple can maintain a relationship not in the form of a male slave or cuckold, and for example, where Sophie realized her mistakes and returned to Felix, where she taught him to satisfy herself sexually, or a path where everyone, even Felix, has a normal dicks, but Zack is not the main antagonist, but he is like a catalyst who opens Sophie’s eyes to the world of sexual pleasures and after this, Sophie herself is already looking for other sex partners, not those who will blackmail her, but whom she just wants sex, students of other professors, and ect.

These are just such simple examples. After all whey can make a more complex and deep plot, but the devs will never do this!

 

[JevilVerum]

I'm not saying they should stop doing this.

What i'm saying is that their core fan base is happy with them making "clichés"! And the devs themselves cannot do otherwise, because, whatever you say, this is their income!
Yes, there are 3D projects in different directions, but there are few truly high-quality projects and those that are really good, i personally cannot characterize as NTR games, rather, they contain elements of NTR, as it has become fashionable to call the concept of cheating, and etc.
Yes, i would be very interested to see a similar project for this game in 2D.
Or for example, it was possible to make a couple of "good endings" in this story! Not the ones that you made the choice not to cheat at the beginning and The end! But where despite everything that happened during the game, the couple can maintain a relationship not in the form of a male slave or cuckold, and for example, where Sophie realized her mistakes and returned to Felix, where she taught him to satisfy herself sexually, or a path where everyone, even Felix, has a normal dicks, but Zack is not the main antagonist, but he is like a catalyst who opens Sophie’s eyes to the world of sexual pleasures and after this, Sophie herself is already looking for other sex partners, not those who will blackmail her, but whom she just wants sex, students of other professors, and ect.

These are just such simple examples. After all whey can make a more complex and deep plot, but the devs will never do this!

I'm sure that if the "market" had more 2D netorare games, they would gradually diversify. But for now there are so few of them that people hardly feel the need, and developers even less, to have games like that. The day that there will be 10-15 2D games like TtP, I think many developers will try something different to attract attention and more supporters. But for now it is so niche that this matter remains mostly ignored.

 

[ItsNotUs]

I'm sure that if the "market" had more 2D netorare games, they would gradually diversify. But for now there are so few of them that people hardly feel the need, and developers even less, to have games like that. The day that there will be 10-15 2D games like TtP, I think many developers will try something different to attract attention and more supporters. But for now it is so niche that this matter remains mostly ignored.

How many endings did HC make in his game? How many times did he mock Harry in them? So many!
He has great potential as a writer, but he follows one path humiliation and humiliation again, there is not a single "good ending" in his project! Although there are more than ten endings.
Well, ok, but even after that, instead of starting a new project, he takes the same idea and shows it with another woman with whom the MC is in love! - What is the point of this, unless you make more money from a cliché!?

 

[JevilVerum]

How many endings did HC make in his game? How many times did he mock Harry in them? So many!
He has great potential as a writer, but he follows one path humiliation and humiliation again, there is not a single "good ending" in his project! Although there are more than ten endings.
Well, ok, but even after that, instead of starting a new project, he takes the same idea and shows it with another woman with whom the MC is in love! - What is the point of this, unless you make more money from a cliché!?

About this I can tell you that this is not HC and we still need to see how the endings will be in ttp.. also, what I said earlier still stands. How many competitors HC has? Probably two or three. If they had 15, all doing the same stuff, maybe they'd change what they do. When many people do the same thing you do, you might want to innovate.