VN Ren'Py Turning the Page [v0.31.0] [Azienda]

[starthrow]

Let's ignore the sings of Zach falling in love and stick to the part that 20ish guy is a seasoned manipulator that can't fall in love.

I need to post this meme again I guess.
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Psychopaths don't fall in love, no. They engage in performative behavior to get the things that they want, and then when they get them, they stop, and move on to something else.

 

[Neuralyzed]

All I gotta say about this latest ending that everyone has already said is: Sophie’s pussy must be fucking god-tier. 1/1 billion.

She not only has poor Felix half a decade later still moping around, she was able to snag Super Star Zach, who could pretty much have any girl ever, but decides to settle with a middle age married woman.

 

[Terix3]

Psychopaths don't fall in love, no. They engage in performative behavior to get the things that they want, and then when they get them, they stop, and move on to something else.

Depends on the type of disorder they have but in general there are psychos that are in love. But I don't think Zach is psycho, he likes sex with mature woman, pref a teacher and doesn't really care if he hurts others in process. That doesn't make one a psycho, asshole sure but psycho ?

All I gotta say about this latest ending that everyone has already said is: Sophie’s pussy must be fucking god-tier. 1/1 billion.

She not only has poor Felix half a decade later still moping around, she was able to snag Super Star Zach, who could pretty much have any girl ever, but decides to settle with a middle age married woman.

Those top girls in netorare games falling for dirty smelly vagrants must be in shambles .

 

[Nefurien]

It really feels like you and I were not playing the same game. The driving force behind all of the events in the game is that Zach is a psychopath that uses and manipulates people, unable to give a shit about anyone but himself, and getting off on ruining other people's lives. Everything else is clearly performative. I don't know how much time you've spent around these kinds of people in real life, but they don't "change". Not in the way the game demonstrates. They can alter the criteria of their performance, and respond to incentives and disincentives of the people around them, but they can't magically start falling in love and be a different person. The whole sending pictures thing at the end clearly shows that he hasn't. So how is everything the way it is? Yeah, Zach could performatively do everything he did until near the end, but he wouldn't 'hang around'. All of the reasons as to why he did the things he did (for his own pleasure and self aggrandizement) finish the moment the marriage implodes. He would not hang around, there would not be a happy marriage.

It is, very plainly, absurd.

The whole "Zack is a psycho" thing is just too much. We didn't see Zack doing crazy stuff. If you saw it, please make a list. We saw way more Zack actually caring for Sophie for half the game than seeing him doing psycho stuff. Was there a murder, rape, coercion or whatever kind of criminal activity? No. It's like if a kid kills an ant and you brand him like a serial killer. I know that to be considered a psychopath you don't need to have a criminal record, but you need to at least show some lack of empathy, antisocial behaviour or other similar traits. In Zack what we saw is hate for Felix and then mostly sex related things. The manipulation stuff was in the beginning of the story, then gradually disappeared. A lot of people lie to get into other people pants, about their work, how much money they have, or having important connections with powerful people. Are they all psychos? Obviously no. In this case is just being young and a bit -or a lot- of a dick. Until I see Zack actually murdering someone and fucking their wife on their coffin, all the psycho talk is just exaggerated stuff.

Also, another important thing, is that we don't have a single scene where we have Zack's pov, so the whole "unable to give a shit about anyone but himself" is just how you think he is, not how he actually is.

 

[JagOvv SmearOvv]

Zack will go down as one of the greatest NTR villains with how much heat he's catching from the wimps here

 

[starthrow]

Depends on the type of disorder they have but in general there are psychos that are in love. But I don't think Zach is psycho, he likes sex with mature woman, pref a teacher and doesn't really care if he hurts others in process. That doesn't make one a psycho, asshole sure but psycho ?

Yeah, there are several different pathologies associated with the term "psychopath", but I'm referring to actual psychopaths. The parts of their brain that are associated with emotional connection with other human beings are never activated, some researchers tested it with, if I remember correctly, MRI machines, where those parts of the brain simply have no activity where all neurotypical people do have activity. The ones who have some degree of social intelligence (the ones who avoid getting found out as children) learn to mimic human behaviors and emotions, and engage in performative behaviors to get things out of people. Zach exhibits textbook psychopathic tendencies, based on his behaviors, on his fake public persona, and the actions he takes across the game. These kinds of people don't change, any more than a person with severe spinal trauma gets up out of their wheelchair and starts running a marathon some day.

But like I said a couple of pages ago; it's first and foremost a porn game, and one that has divergent narratives and multiple endings. If people like this ending for whatever other reasons they like it, then that's totally fine. It doesn't have to make sense for many people to enjoy it. It's just that it seemed like the script followed a very plausible bent, until very suddenly right at the end, Zach becomes a completely different person, which was really weird. Maybe alien abductions are real in this fictional universe, who knows.

The whole "Zack is a psycho" thing is just too much. We didn't see Zack doing crazy stuff. If you saw it, please list it. We saw way more Zack actually caring for Sophie for half the game than seeing him doing psycho stuff. Was there a murder, rape, coercion or whatever kind of criminal activity? No. It's like if a kid kills an ant and you brand him like a serial killer. The manipulation stuff was in the beginning of the story, then gradually disappeared. A lot of people lie to get into other people pants, about their work, how much money they have, or having important connections with powerful people. Are they all psychos? Obviously no, just being young and a bit of a dick. Until I see Zack actually murdering someone and fucking their wife on their coffin, all the psycho talk is just exaggerated stuff.

Also, another important thing, is that we don't have a single scene where we have Zack's pov, so the whole "unable to give a shit about anyone but himself" is just how you think he is, not how he actually is.

Psychopath is not synonymous with serial killer. More socially aware psychopaths are often law abiding, because they understand cause and effect, and like most human beings, still follow incentives.

If you think that blackmailing people, enjoying other people's pain non-consensually, striving to break up a marriage, manipulating everyone at every turn, cheating without remorse, using and discarding people when it suits you, feigning remorse when it suits you but being a totally different person in private, intentionally setting up scenarios to abuse and humiliate people, and then doing everything you can for years later to rub all of this in the face of the person whose life you ruined, is normal behavior, then there's not much more to discuss. It obviously isn't.

 

[Nefurien]

Yeah, there are several different pathologies associated with the term "psychopath", but I'm referring to actual psychopaths. The parts of their brain that are associated with emotional connection with other human beings are never activated, some researchers tested it with, if I remember correctly, MRI machines, where those parts of the brain simply have no activity where all neurotypical people do have activity. The ones who have some degree of social intelligence (the ones who avoid getting found out as children) learn to mimic human behaviors and emotions, and engage in performative behaviors to get things out of people. Zach exhibits textbook psychopathic tendencies, based on his behaviors, on his fake public persona, and the actions he takes across the game. These kinds of people don't change, any more than a person with spinal trauma gets up out of their wheelchair and starts running a marathon some day.

But like I said a couple of pages ago; it's first and foremost a porn game, and one that has divergent narratives and multiple endings. If people like this ending for whatever other reasons they like it, then that's totally fine. It doesn't have to make sense for many people to enjoy it. It's just that it seemed like the script followed a very plausible bent, until very suddenly right at the end, Zach becomes a completely different person, which was really weird. Maybe alien abductions are real in this fictional universe, who knows.


Psychopath is not synonymous with serial killer. More socially aware psychopaths are often law abiding, because they understand cause and effect, and like most human beings, still follow incentives.

If you think that blackmailing people, enjoying other people's pain non-consensually, striving to break up a marriage, manipulating everyone at every turn, cheating without remorse, using and discarding people when it suits you, feigning remorse when it suits you but being a totally different person in private, intentionally setting up scenarios to abuse and humiliate people, and then doing everything you can for years later to rub all of this in the face of the person whose life you ruined, is normal behavior, then there's not much more to discuss. It obviously isn't.

I edited the post a bit after saying I know what a psychopath is, I knew the message might have been ambiguous. The point is that it's not true that people with that kind of traits can't have a family. A psychopath CAN have a family. That's enough to reply to your whole comment.

We don't have Zack's pov and we don't have a psychiatric analysis of him either, so until proven otherwise, since a psycho can have a family, Zack can have a family. If what you're saying is that that's not a safe and healthy family, I can agree with that, who wouldn't, he's obviously a whole lot weird sending pics to Felix years after, I'm not saying he's a saint. But all this doesn't mean he can't have a family. Having a family is a basic human need, being a psycho or not doesn't matter, you still want a family.

 

[link18]

for u it was this Twiligh character, i was reading a NTR game...what can i say...my bad i got Zach wrong.

dude pls read my previous post because apparently you dont know what NTR is #4,038

 

[starthrow]

I edited the post a bit after saying I know what a psychopath is, I knew the message might have been ambiguous. The point is that it's not true that people with that kind of traits can't have a family. A psychopath CAN have a family. That's enough to reply to your whole comment.

We don't have Zack's pov and we don't have a psychiatric analysis of him either, so until proven otherwise, since a psycho can have a family, Zack can have a family. If what you're saying is that that's not a safe and healthy family, I can agree with that, who wouldn't, he's obviously a whole lot weird sending pics to Felix years after, I'm not saying he's a saint. But all this doesn't mean he can't have a family. Having a family is a basic human need, being a psycho or not doesn't matter, you still want a family.

You seem to be moving the goalposts, and I'm getting kinda tired of the discussion, honestly. Believe whatever you want I suppose. Glad it made sense to somebody, at least.

 

[Nefurien]

You seem to be moving the goalposts, and I'm getting kinda tired of the discussion, honestly. Believe whatever you want I suppose. View attachment 3976274 Glad it made sense to somebody, at least.

No please don't go away at the best moment This is the crucial point. You said it doesnt make sense that Zack being a psycho has a family, I said psychopaths can have a family. Can you please link some data showing that a psychopath doesn't want/can't have a family?

 

[mzer0]

I'm getting kinda tired of the discussion, honestly.

What you're experiencing is called enlightenment. They can't be reasoned with. Their entire perspective on this game can be summed up thusly:

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I enjoyed reading your side of the exchange, though. It was more entertaining and reasonable than Sophie's side of this ending, at least.

 

[starthrow]

You said it doesnt make sense that Zack being a psycho has a family

I never said psychopaths can't start families. Bye

 

[Nefurien]

there would not be a happy marriage.

We can end here don't worry, I lost my drive after this

 

[JevilVerum]

Wondering will the rest of the updates be Sophia and Zach only. The only thing you can hope for if Felix plots something for them after all the taunting and torment they have done to him. Spoiler possible NTR of Zach by Nate. Hahaha Nate is pissed cause of what he did to his favorite teacher Felix and turns Sophia to the dark side.

We'll probably have Amy choice very soon, so group route is in sight

 

[Terix3]

Yeah, there are several different pathologies associated with the term "psychopath", but I'm referring to actual psychopaths. The parts of their brain that are associated with emotional connection with other human beings are never activated, some researchers tested it with, if I remember correctly, MRI machines, where those parts of the brain simply have no activity where all neurotypical people do have activity. The ones who have some degree of social intelligence (the ones who avoid getting found out as children) learn to mimic human behaviors and emotions, and engage in performative behaviors to get things out of people. Zach exhibits textbook psychopathic tendencies, based on his behaviors, on his fake public persona, and the actions he takes across the game. These kinds of people don't change, any more than a person with severe spinal trauma gets up out of their wheelchair and starts running a marathon some day.

But like I said a couple of pages ago; it's first and foremost a porn game, and one that has divergent narratives and multiple endings. If people like this ending for whatever other reasons they like it, then that's totally fine. It doesn't have to make sense for many people to enjoy it. It's just that it seemed like the script followed a very plausible bent, until very suddenly right at the end, Zach becomes a completely different person, which was really weird. Maybe alien abductions are real in this fictional universe, who knows.


Psychopath is not synonymous with serial killer. More socially aware psychopaths are often law abiding, because they understand cause and effect, and like most human beings, still follow incentives.

If you think that blackmailing people, enjoying other people's pain non-consensually, striving to break up a marriage, manipulating everyone at every turn, cheating without remorse, using and discarding people when it suits you, feigning remorse when it suits you but being a totally different person in private, intentionally setting up scenarios to abuse and humiliate people, and then doing everything you can for years later to rub all of this in the face of the person whose life you ruined, is normal behavior, then there's not much more to discuss. It obviously isn't.

Zach is certainly not normal but it doesn't mean he can't feel love. We don't know his condition : is it about taboo sex, or about making another suffer, or about feeling of superiority or being recognized. Being a sadist towards one doesn't mean he can't feel love towards another. All it really needs is that he perceives Felix as someone inferior, someone that doesn't deserve what he got. Also throughout the game Zach never displayed desire to hurt Sophie, quite opposite actually he expressed concern when he didn't need to.

We can also entertain the idea that he is emotionally disabled. I think it is still plausible for him to move on from chasing teachers. He is intelligent he knows he can't be student forever, over the situation he will need to change schools where he won't have Brooks protection and finally Sophie obviously loves him beyond reason. Why not to try that normal life? Psycho absolutely can pretend to be normal person and if that continues for years it kinda sinks in. He also kept his hobby, small form but it is there.

 

[daimadochi]

It's daenerys GOT S8 situation here , just with zach instead of her.
Some people found that there was clues in the show that tells that daenerys had what it takes to do what she did in S8.
Other people absolutely didn't.
Same here just for different reasons.

 

[ButterscotchJackson]

Well, I have to admit while Felix's ending made sense at least, Sophie's ending was just too much to swallow, and none of the erotic scenes really hit for me this update. I'm not mad that they gave Sophie such a weirdly picture perfect ending, I'm annoyed that that was the First ending out of the gate. Felix's ending was much more realistic, thus more plausible as his first ending. Although, from a business aspect it makes sense. Alot more people will stick around to wait for the updates to see Sophie get shit on (figuratively) than they'll wait to see Sophie and Zach live happily ever after. For the people that loved and rooted for the Sophie "gets it all" ending, I'm glad they got yours out of the way now.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Later we find out Zach had mommy issues.

 

[ItsNotUs]

I still have a few questions, I wonder if they will ever be answered?
-Who is the woman with the ring on her finger that Felix saw on Zack's hard drive who looks like Sophie?
-What Really Happened to Harold?
-What dirt does Zack have on Brooks?
-And what is Zack’s backstory, did he have problems with his mother, or vice versa, maybe the new hairstyle and hair color, and the fact that Sophie is older is what attracted Zack to her?

 

[Wizmoe]

I still have a few questions, I wonder if they will ever be answered?
-Who is the woman with the ring on her finger that Felix saw on Zack's hard drive who looks like Sophie?
-What Really Happened to Harold?
-What dirt does Zack have on Brooks?
-And what is Zack’s backstory, did he have problems with his mother, or vice versa, maybe the new hairstyle and hair color, and the fact that Sophie is older is what attracted Zack to her?

I'm pretty sure that woman was Sophie.