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Quite the optimist, aren't you
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They might have some remote scenes while she's away and probably back in 1-2 updates but would probably start with HJ/BJ as usual so I'd imagine 3-4 updates for actual Jacky action so 2027 seems pretty realistic tbh
dolfe67
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Really not liking how the characters seem to be changing so much in proportions. I didn't mind that half the cast had giant tits at the beginning because there was a balance between them all with the sliding scale in between. Now they're all the same body type with the same features. I do like the teacher and Jacky but not every character should have the same measurements as women who already had multiple offspring. Milfs are great but over half the cast is nowhere near that territory so... why do they increase height and breast sizes every update?
Oh come on, even with the changes to Emily, she is nowhere near Jacky or Mrs. Clements or even her sister or Steph. But if you want Loli-Characters, this is not the game for you, simple as that.
I agree she isn't at Jacky levels yet but she has changed drastically and with the preview image she is even taller now. Compare her first scene to her last scenes and you can see that in a week she grew like the grinch's heart. It isn't just her though compare Vicky at the beginning to her scene where she increases in size once her clothing comes off. The game even says she has a C-cup and Emily has a B how on earth could that be true? In Emily's last scene she must have gone up 2 or 3 cups sizes. It isn't a love of loli characters its an aversion to every character having E+ breasts.
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Can I ask you something? What did you see when you looked at the previews for the game? Or what did you see in the banner for this thread? Because what I saw was a lot of girls with watermelon-sized breasts, and I knew that this game has a specific theme and kinks. I knew that the author liked busty women, and I was all for it.
And about the changes in the models, that was already discussed before with the author himself; just use the search function if you want to be aware as to why they changed.
I dont know, the Cup Sizes in the Bios are Nonsense IMO. Like, there is nothing like a 50B-Cup for example or 69K or whatever Alyvia is.
And well, while she certainly has grown and also her breasts have grown, she was never supposed to be a Loli. And the height increase of her (and MC) was because those made problems and a lot of extra work in scenes.
And when it comes to "aversion ot every character having E+ breasts"... BaiBai has a certain taste and this is visible when you look at the Screenshots. I dont think that people who dislike big tits will really be happy with Twisted Memories. Especially because it was once said that there will be Timeskips (not sure if those will still be a thing or BaiBai has changed his opinion on that), so even the small-breasted characters will not stay like this. Especially if you consider that Jacky and Alyvia have very big tits and BaiBai has little control when he gets a breast slider into his fingers.
My word the amount some fans gaslight themselves is just mind numbing sometimes. Acting like the "y schooler" was never supposed to be a loli is some extra levels of mental gymnastics that I can't even begin to comprehend. I am also aware of the "reason" for the change. I simply don't believe it and think it was a reaction to potential censorship. Something BaiBai has had several knee jerk reactions to (IE potential rewrites to change the initial character relations). Whether the character is or isn't small chested is not really the issue. The issue comes from the constantly changing premise of the story.
My response to what I saw from the previews is simple. Another honey select VN, I hope the story is at least good for this one. BaiBai makes good renders but the hook for it wasn't the giant tits it was the story of it and the taboos of it. If it was just for erotic images there are millions of similar things online. I don't even oppose time passing in the game, I do think time should pass because I wonder how the MC will change the way his life was. I oppose changing characters before any time skips and rewriting something to be safer. I am someone who has been supporting the game for awhile now and still do, yet the last two updates I have been increasingly less optimistic about potential censorship and sudden changes. It has been alarming that instead of just saying things are going to be changed they quietly get changed and every is just supposed to act like things have always been this way.
Don't get me wrong I do like the game overall. A criticism of something doesn't mean you're an enemy of that thing. It means you care about that thing enough to criticize it. As for why I said anything it was the height of Emily in the most recent progress picture that raised yet another flag. Is it enough to blacklist the game? Not yet but if suddenly she is the same height or even a little shorter than her older sister without a time skip I might reconsider it.
As for NTR it is hinted for a character's mom, you can show pictures of a girl to her BF (he thinks its someone else) and maybe the teacher but that is unclear.
My response to what I saw from the previews is simple. Another honey select VN, I hope the story is at least good for this one. BaiBai makes good renders but the hook for it wasn't the giant tits it was the story of it and the taboos of it. If it was just for erotic images there are millions of similar things online. I don't even oppose time passing in the game, I do think time should pass because I wonder how the MC will change the way his life was. I oppose changing characters before any time skips and rewriting something to be safer. I am someone who has been supporting the game for awhile now and still do, yet the last two updates I have been increasingly less optimistic about potential censorship and sudden changes. It has been alarming that instead of just saying things are going to be changed they quietly get changed and every is just supposed to act like things have always been this way.
Don't get me wrong I do like the game overall. A criticism of something doesn't mean you're an enemy of that thing. It means you care about that thing enough to criticize it. As for why I said anything it was the height of Emily in the most recent progress picture that raised yet another flag. Is it enough to blacklist the game? Not yet but if suddenly she is the same height or even a little shorter than her older sister without a time skip I might reconsider it.
As for NTR it is hinted for a character's mom, you can show pictures of a girl to her BF (he thinks its someone else) and maybe the teacher but that is unclear.
It will only be netori. Thankfully.
You're kidding, right? Emily was absolutely supposed to be a loli. BaiBai may have decided to change that, to a greater or lesser extent, but it's indisputable that she was intended to be a loli. I mean, look at her;
So he says, and I imagine there's even some degree of truth to that, but I'd argue his primary reason for the change was to move away from elements of the game which might get him removed from platforms because of the demands of payment processsors.
I only repeat what BaiBai has said (including that she was never supposed to be a Loli). And if he has other reasons to change her appearance, so be it, I dont really care. It his game after all.
But to be honest, this stuff was discussed a few times and if someone does not like the changes, they should fuck off. Not as if they are paying anyway, because if they would be paying, they would not voice their concerns on the piracy site, but rather on Subscribestar.
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Never supposed to be loli? While there is a "skip loli content" option which only skips her content? Even though the dev might have said that, it's not believable. He just changed his mind, no problem with that but we don't have to fool ourselves
So we can't do both? If we pay we're banned from here?
Justonemore20
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Am I the idiot? Because I played version 0.9 not long after it was released here last year (not talking about 0.9b, which came later with fixes, but the original 0.9), and I noticed Emily's changes in the last scene right away, so I took a couple of screenshots of her in the same place, one from before and one from after, and asked Baibai about it (her height in the previews actually matches her height in her last gallery scene). That scene was like a year ago; the payment processors panic started like two or three months ago with the fall of itch.io and Steam.
So, are you saying that Baibai, the Baibai that panicked and wanted to make a non-incest version of the game when he heard of the banning, knew for a year what was going to happen and changed the heights of the characters but not enough to avoid the payment processors ban hammer so he could panic again later when it happened and start planning to change the models heights even more while also removing more things to appease the payment processor?
Yeah, that sounds logical.
I know what you are trying to say, but be consistent; don't use present problems to try to justify past changes.
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The truth is, we will never know the truth. All we can do is accept the game as it is, or move on. I don't like a game to change as I am playing it. I like the story, and I will stick with what we are given. Anyone can still have the opinion that the changes were dogshit. It's a free forum, no one can tell you how you should feel... 
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In attempt to know how the decisions in seduction-corruption mechanism affect the scenes I played the game with URM. Previously I thought that seduction choices = seduction scenes and vice versa but there are multiple logics, not only one as I thought, beneath the scenes variants (level of corruption, whether corruption is higher than seduction, the result of some previous event and could be more). I can't know what my decisions affecting in future, it's bad.
So, dev, make some understandable route management, there's already enough content to get lost in it.
So, dev, make some understandable route management, there's already enough content to get lost in it.
The most recent round of payment processor bans were two or three months ago. But those weren't the only ones, nor were they the first time payment processors have tried to leverage their demands, they're just the most recent example. I don't think you're an idiot for only thinking about the recent ones and not being aware of previous instances, so don't be so hard on yourself.
I don't think you do know what I'm saying, actually. I'm saying that he has changed several things in the game, including Emily's appearance, out of concern that his game would be banned, and that such a concern existed in the past, as well as the present. That's not "using present problems to justify past changes", that's pointing out that the changes in the past were due to concerns in the past, and those concerns are not only still present today, but have in fact increased.
By his own admission, he did in fact intend to do that after the recent round of Itch.io bans, but I never said he intended that in his earler changes, no. His earlier changes were more about changing the apparent age of several characters, most notably Emily and the MC (both of who have grown a full foot or so in height over the course of a few in-game days). The non-incest stuff is his more recent concern, though the other concern is still present.
Nope. Games being banned for various reasons have occured more than once, and prior to the instances a few months ago; his reacting to it when it happened a year ago is not "knowing it'll happen in a year", exactly, but you could say it's awareness of an ongoing pattern, I suppose.
No. I'm saying he made some small changes which he hoped would be enough to insulate him from being banned for "Reason X", then worried that they wouldn't be enough, and made more changes (still for "Reason X"), and considered making vastly more drastic changes after the recent bans (mostly for "Reason Z"). Which, y'know... he very clearly did do, just a couple of months ago.
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He also included a "Skip Loli Content" option in his game, and it only affects Emily's scenes. So he may well have said that, but I'd argue he's being, at best, disingenuous. He may well have changed his mind since then, as is his right, but pretending it was never intended is absurd.
Absolutely it's his game, and I think you'll note I haven't expressed dissatisfaction with his decision to change her appearance.
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You know what, I'm probably not the right person to discuss this with since I found this game in 0.7, I think, so I don't know how Baibai was before that.
The height change doesn't seem like too big of a deal to me because they are still within the limits of his original vision. Current Emily is not too big for the age she is supposed to have, and she is still in the same school grade, so the premise remains intact for now (at least as far as I know). That's why I was fine with his reasoning for the changes back then, but if Baibai starts changing events or the premise itself, then that would be a real problem.
I know I'm probably more lenient than others with this game because this was the first game on this site that I found having incest by default without bullshit landlady censorship, patches, or "input your relationship," so I came to respect Baibai for being brave enough to push through with his vision despite everything. Of course, now things have gotten heated, and he's starting to face the burden of that decision, and I can only hope that he finds a way to keep the game how he intended it to be until the end. But at the end of the day, all I can do is wait, hope, and see; only time will tell how all of this will end.
For me this is one of the best AVNs here, even despite the enormous amount of typos it has, so I would really like to see it get completed satisfactorily both for the author and the players.
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