Ren'Py Twisted World [v0.1.5 Patch 4] [SnatsGames]

[VikingSnake]

the fact that you guys are here, speaks for itself in terms of advertising.

It's not like im in itself a big advocate of actually supporting someone. And it's definitely not like i buy 200€ worth of small local bands merch each month

 

[MrDisappointing]

Piracy thorough the ages has always been synonymous with freedom from the ever so oppressing and enslaving system, and not about plundering booty, fighting to the death for what they stood for or getting wasted on rum with the maties regardless of how fun those activities were to them.

People of f95 should have the same freedom as the highest paying patreons to play said game, the very moment it's released, regardless if they decide to throw money afterwards to the dev as token of appreciation or if they even can afford to do that in the first place. And that's that.

Maybe this mod should be reminded of his duties as glorified internet janitor to clean the god-awful memes posted by those half-cognitive nincompoops on discord and that he has no place for virtue signalling nor delusional showcase of superior morals.

And as are our bredren in Hong Kong beautifully expressed: View attachment 1170103

Calm down Blackbeard, we're not revolutionaries, we're here to fap.

 

[Kitsune241]

he has no place for... delusional showcase of superior morals.

Piracy thorough the ages has always been synonymous with freedom from the ever so oppressing and enslaving system

Pot meet kettle.

 

[chainedpanda]

1-2 Dollars don't really seem like a "Paywall" to me, more like a curb

The actual amount is rather irrelevant. How many people will even bother to sub if they don't see much of a reason to do it in the first place? If you are a person who is just hanging around on this thread, maybe commenting, maybe lurking, whatever the case is what exactly is the incentive? To support the dev? You can play around with the morals and beg all you want, it simply doesn't matter to the vast majority of people. Why should the realist give their money when the optimists will do it for them? You have to give the realist a reason, after all THAT is what makes a realist a realist.

They complain about piracy, claiming "It's available for just the lowest tier" does not help their cause in the slightest. It doesn't provide the realist any motivation, it doesn't help bring in pessimists, and may even chase away some potential optimists.
(You can mostly ignore the optimist/realist words, I simply thought they were the best possible phrase to use in order to get my thought across).

And for most people $2 isn't a whole lot. but for some people a $2 difference is the difference between having lunch, or skipping it that day. By continuing to use the same tagline, it could turn off even more people to the idea of becoming a sub.

 

[Viggy]

Calm down Blackbeard, we're not revolutionaries, we're here to fap.

Let's challenge this hellish world for a fight, matey!

On a serious note, I was merely stating that we have the right to fap to w/e we want (and for free if the object of desire is behind a paywall) and that we should not be treated like second-hand citizens by having to wait 10 more days for the public release. We're not by any mean superior to anyone for getting a product of quality free of charge, Kitsune241, but are rather on equal terms with patreons themselves since we love and cherish this game just the same, and have nothing but admiration for the dev and all the hard work he put out to make this update possible despite us not being able to afford it/simply refuse to pay for it.

We're pirates and we should be proud of it goddammit! But if you seriously enjoy playing games/reading "leaked" weekly reports in shame then by all means live your life however you want. I'm not judging.

 

[chainedpanda]

Let's challenge this hellish world for a fight, matey!

On a serious note, I was merely stating that we have the right to fap to w/e we want (and for free if the object of desire is behind a paywall) and that we should not be treated like second-hand citizens by having to wait 10 more days for the public release. We're not by any mean superior to anyone for getting a product of quality free of charge, Kitsune241, but are rather on equal terms with patreons themselves since we love and cherish this game just the same, and have nothing but admiration for the dev and all the hard work he put out to make this update possible despite us not being able to afford it/simply refuse to pay for it.

We're pirates and we should be proud of it goddammit! But if you seriously enjoy playing games/reading "leaked" weekly reports in shame then by all means live your life however you want. I'm not judging.

Wait, this is satire isn't it? We are not, nor should we be treated the same as patreons. While I do agree that there is no shame in not paying, it isn't exactly the same. I have no problem waiting for the update 10 days after release or however long it is rumored to be. Those that do not pay don't deserve the privilege, it is that simple. And honestly, I don't believe the majority of people have a problem with this either. If you do, you are likely in the minority.

Yet, I will agree that there is no shame in not paying. Nor should there be shame for reading nor playing leaked content. My only argument up until this point is that piracy actually helps this game, and their strategy of actively attempting to block and silence leakers is a poor strategy in general. Yet, by all means keep the main game updates hidden for a few days prior to release, keep some more in-depth posts hidden as well, however don't keep everything hidden and then get hurt when the larger side of the community discover a way to find anything about the game.

 

[Bueno Excellente]

Cool avatar bro

its my dream body

 

[Viggy]

-snip

I do completely agree with you when it comes to f95zone being nothing but beneficial to SnatsGames's rise in popularity, and that by being overprotective of your product can only hurt you on the long run considering how popular this website is.

That being said, patreons still get their extras and behind the scenes and power to influence future events etc. etc. that we're definitely not entitled to, I agree. But I like to believe that when the update is finally out, and people will be here probably smashing their poor f5 key to oblivion waiting for a hero to bring the goods, nobody in their right mind would abstain themselves from downloading it as it's not the right thing to do, but will rather grab the closest bottle of lube they can find because that's what any reasonable person would do.

I utterly despise words like "leak" and "privilege" and a cunty mod who wipes everyone here with the same brush when it comes to these sort of things as it does nothing but hold a carrot over our heads, asking us for monetary exchange for us birthrights of information and most importantly entertainment. And that's when piracy comes to play, by restoring those rights and removing the division created an exploitative system you're now on equal foot with even the highest payer. And my point ultimately being, why shouldn't we be treated with dignity and respect as well? Or do I need to pay for that too?


PS: Don't go reporting the dude who's going to "leak" the update, people. This isn't a website meant to promote buying games in order to get the "privilege" to play them you fucking degenerates lol.

 

[Viggy]

its my dream body

How big is the..? Asking for a friend.

 

[Bueno Excellente]

How big is the..? Asking for a friend.

Horrifyingly Obese, 5'4, GIANT FUCKING DING DONG, and a tape worm as a best friend

 

[chainedpanda]

I do completely agree with you when it comes to f95zone being nothing but beneficial to SnatsGames's rise in popularity, and that by being overprotective of your product can only hurt you on the long run considering how popular this website is.

That being said, patreons still get their extras and behind the scenes and power to influence future events etc. etc. that we're definitely not entitled to, I agree. But I like to believe that when the update is finally out, and people will be here probably smashing their poor f5 key to oblivion waiting for a hero to bring the goods, nobody in their right mind would abstain themselves from downloading it as it's not the right thing to do, but will rather grab the closest bottle of lube they can find because that's what any reasonable person would do.

I utterly despise words like "leak" and "privilege" and a cunty mod who wipes everyone here with the same brush when it comes to these sort of things as it does nothing but hold a carrot over our heads, asking us for monetary exchange for us birthrights of information and most importantly entertainment. And that's when piracy comes to play, by restoring those rights and removing the division created an exploitative system you're now on equal foot with even the highest payer. And my point ultimately being, why shouldn't we be treated with dignity and respect as well? Or do I need to pay for that too?


PS: Don't go reporting the dude who's going to "leak" the update, people. This isn't a website meant to promote buying games in order to get the "privilege" to play them you fucking degenerates lol.

AHA! That makes way more sense than your original post lol. Literally made you sound like one of those "entitled millennials" so many of the older generations complained about, hence the satire comment.

I would 100% play whatever version anyone posts, I will also read any devblogs posted here, and would likely commend and thank the person for doing so. As I completely believe that anything you pay for should belong to you, and you can do whatever you want to do with it. Overprotective devs be damned.

 

[Viggy]

Horrifyingly Obese, 5'4, GIANT FUCKING DING DONG, and a tape worm as a best friend

Noice..! I bet hatefully shove that transcontinental dick of yours through a playset of abrupt decay as a means of masturbation you filthy, filthy man.

 

[Viggy]

AHA! That makes way more sense than your original post lol. Literally made you sound like one of those "entitled millennials" so many of the older generations complained about, hence the satire comment.

I would 100% play whatever version anyone posts, I will also read any devblogs posted here, and would likely commend and thank the person for doing so. As I completely believe that anything you pay for should belong to you, and you can do whatever you want to do with it. Overprotective devs be damned.

LOL my apologies then if it came out that way since english is my third language believe it or not, so I sometimes have a hard time getting my point across especially when I'm not in a calm mood.

 

[Bueno Excellente]

Noice..! I bet hatefully shove that transcontinental dick of yours through a playset of abrupt decay as a means of masturbation you filthy, filthy man.

I use rusty soda cans for my dingdong, and rusty nails for my anus

 

[lyfsavor]

I don't know how true that is. What helps them is exposure and people supporting them on patreon or subscribestar. I don't see how leaking stuff that is meant for supporters helps them, if anything it gives people one less reason to support them since they can already play it for free anyway.

I agree, if I just see a game on Patreon I'm very unlikely to just pay & play. However if I can try it out from an F95 DL and I really enjoy it I'm much more likely to throw a few bucks at it then. F95 also keeps me from wasting money on crap I won't like like bad graphics, shit English or kinks I don't want to see, like NTR.

 

[yoyomistro]

I'd be more sympathetic to the anti-piracy whatever nonsense except

1) Snats literally came on this site himself on the Koikatsu games thread minutes before he posted his Patreon page, talking about how great it was and saying he'd be honored if people checked out the game FROM THIS SITE FOR FREE

2) The Patreon model isn't about paying for content, otherwise it'd have to meet different legal standards, nothing you put on there can be "sold" in a typical fashion, or else they'd have to take down all the milkers and people would be able to sue for undelivered content, which is why honestly I defend milkers because they're taking advantage of what the Patreon model is for, patronizing an artist who can't earn regular pay for their work or needs support to finish a work which they can then sell

3) This site drives most of the traffic to Patreon games that have blown up after about July 2017, more so than reddit, SVS, ULMF, LewdGamer, whatever other platform you can think of, and a whole infrastructure of other leak/aggregation sites have grown up out of F95's shadow and taken their model and used it for profit/without promoting creators

So my point is, between using this site for what's basically hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of free advertising every month and wanting eyeballs from a pirate site without wanting anyone to actually pirate (lol?), and taking advantage of Patreon's model where you don't actually have to provide a product to anyone, but you're asking for people to pay for the privilege of looking at progress updates for your alpha product (again, lol?), you can't want it both ways and get mad when you don't get it. I'd be a bit more sympathetic if people were leaking like $20 plus supporter exclusive wallpapers or comics or whatever right away but that almost never happens with game products. I have porn videos from high tiers for LOQO that I didn't see leaked elsewhere for a year or two.

Also pirating updates doesn't preclude you from supporting something. I've spent hundreds on games over a few years, then stopped supporting them at some point, and restarted later. Assuming everyone on here never supports any of the games they download is stupid. There's a decent correlation on between popularity on here and popularity on Patreon for games released after mid 2018; if there weren't, no profit-minded Patreon devs would be on the platform. If someone doesn't support you at first or stops supporting you at some point doesn't mean they never will. No point tilting at windmills like I indicated in my last post on this thread.

 

[ogr blanc]

I'd be more sympathetic to the anti-piracy whatever nonsense except

1) Snats literally came on this site himself on the Koikatsu games thread minutes before he posted his Patreon page, talking about how great it was and saying he'd be honored if people checked out the game FROM THIS SITE FOR FREE

2) The Patreon model isn't about paying for content, otherwise it'd have to meet different legal standards, nothing you put on there can be "sold" in a typical fashion, or else they'd have to take down all the milkers and people would be able to sue for undelivered content, which is why honestly I defend milkers because they're taking advantage of what the Patreon model is for, patronizing an artist who can't earn regular pay for their work or needs support to finish a work which they can then sell

3) This site drives most of the traffic to Patreon games that have blown up after about July 2017, more so than reddit, SVS, ULMF, LewdGamer, whatever other platform you can think of, and a whole infrastructure of other leak/aggregation sites have grown up out of F95's shadow and taken their model and used it for profit/without promoting creators

So my point is, between using this site for what's basically hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of free advertising every month and asking wanting eyeballs from a pirate site without wanting anyone to actually pirate (lol?), and taking advantage of Patreon's model where you don't actually have to provide a product to anyone, but you're asking for people to pay for the privilege of looking at progress updates for your alpha product (again, lol?), you can't want it both ways and get mad when you don't get it. I'd be a bit more sympathetic if people were leaking like $20 plus supporter exclusive wallpapers or comics or whatever right away but that almost never happens with game products. I have porn videos from high tiers for LOQO that I didn't see leaked elsewhere for a year or two.

Also pirating updates doesn't preclude you from supporting something. I've spent hundreds on games over a few years, then stopped supporting them at some point, and restarted later. Assuming everyone on here never supports any of the games they download is stupid. There's a decent correlation on between popularity on here and popularity on Patreon for games released after mid 2018; if there weren't, no profit-minded Patreon devs would be on the platform. If someone doesn't support you at first or stops supporting you at some point doesn't mean they never will. No point tilting at windmills like I indicated in my last post on this thread.

isnt he using koikatsu in the first place? dunno about the legality of that to begin with...

 

[chainedpanda]

I'd be more sympathetic to the anti-piracy whatever nonsense except

1) Snats literally came on this site himself on the Koikatsu games thread minutes before he posted his Patreon page, talking about how great it was and saying he'd be honored if people checked out the game FROM THIS SITE FOR FREE

2) The Patreon model isn't about paying for content, otherwise it'd have to meet different legal standards, nothing you put on there can be "sold" in a typical fashion, or else they'd have to take down all the milkers and people would be able to sue for undelivered content, which is why honestly I defend milkers because they're taking advantage of what the Patreon model is for, patronizing an artist who can't earn regular pay for their work or needs support to finish a work which they can then sell

3) This site drives most of the traffic to Patreon games that have blown up after about July 2017, more so than reddit, SVS, ULMF, LewdGamer, whatever other platform you can think of, and a whole infrastructure of other leak/aggregation sites have grown up out of F95's shadow and taken their model and used it for profit/without promoting creators

So my point is, between using this site for what's basically hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of free advertising every month and asking wanting eyeballs from a pirate site without wanting anyone to actually pirate (lol?), and taking advantage of Patreon's model where you don't actually have to provide a product to anyone, but you're asking for people to pay for the privilege of looking at progress updates for your alpha product (again, lol?), you can't want it both ways and get mad when you don't get it. I'd be a bit more sympathetic if people were leaking like $20 plus supporter exclusive wallpapers or comics or whatever right away but that almost never happens with game products. I have porn videos from high tiers for LOQO that I didn't see leaked elsewhere for a year or two.

Also pirating updates doesn't preclude you from supporting something. I've spent hundreds on games over a few years, then stopped supporting them at some point, and restarted later. Assuming everyone on here never supports any of the games they download is stupid. There's a decent correlation on between popularity on here and popularity on Patreon for games released after mid 2018; if there weren't, no profit-minded Patreon devs would be on the platform. If someone doesn't support you at first or stops supporting you at some point doesn't mean they never will. No point tilting at windmills like I indicated in my last post on this thread.

I could be mistaken, since I haven't been following along for very long. I just want to say that I haven't personally seen Snats getting involved with the anti-piracy/anti-f95 sentiment. I mean, just the day prior to me getting banned I claimed to be a pirate and f95 user while Snats was active and talking in discord and wasn't banned at that time. The ones that seem to hold the strongest opinion are the mod who banned me and a red named guy who seems to be very active.

I am unsure of how the colored names work on their discord nor how they coordinate with their patreon/dev status. I can assume that Snats himself plays at least some role in supporting the culture and opinions they develop, but I don't know how stronger he feels/acts personally. As things stand, I can't 100% place the blame entirely on him. At worst he actively encourages their antagonist role against these issues, at best he simply ignores the issues on both sides, he may not even see it as his job to interfere. As far as I know it is just a few vocal SJW attempting to support his game in whatever way they can.

 

[yoyomistro]

I could be mistaken, since I haven't been following along for very long. I just want to say that I haven't personally seen Snats getting involved with the anti-piracy/anti-f95 sentiment. I mean, just the day prior to me getting banned I claimed to be a pirate and f95 user while Snats was active and talking in discord and wasn't banned at that time. The ones that seem to hold the strongest opinion are the mod who banned me and a red named guy who seems to be very active.

I am unsure of how the colored names work on their discord nor how they coordinate with their patreon/dev status. I can assume that Snats himself plays at least some role in supporting the culture and opinions they develop, but I don't know how stronger he feels/acts personally. As things stand, I can't 100% place the blame entirely on him. At worst he actively encourages their antagonist role against these issues, at best he simply ignores the issues on both sides, he may not even see it as his job to interfere. As far as I know it is just a few vocal SJW attempting to support his game in whatever way they can.

I doubt that, he chooses the people who represent him. Anything anyone who directly represents him says is as good as coming from him IMO. It's a good tactic to save face and look like a nice guy to have reps go out and play bad cop and never ban anyone/speak badly about pirate sites yourself or however you want to think about it. If he didn't care about piracy, he would tell his mods and they wouldn't care/ban you.

Like I said, he/they want to have their cake and eat it too. And again, I absolutely would not care if he did not come to f95 himself to take advantage of the massive amount of eyeballs this site brings relative to any other in the adult indie gaming space. I would bet every one of the paltry few thousand dollars I currently have to my name that if no one on F95zone or any other pirate site knew about his game and it was only promoted through LewdGamer/reddit/etc., it wouldn't have a quarter of the support it currently has.

isnt he using koikatsu in the first place? dunno about the legality of that to begin with...

EDIT: Yes, that's kinda grey area I guess, but I think there's something in Illusion's licensing that lets people use their engines/tools for profit, like any other licensed platform (photoshop, corel, etc.), but I haven't read it myself so I may be wrong. Even so, hypothetically let's say Illusion decides to suddenly go after everyone using their products to make money under Japan's new laws against selling modified game data, assuming they somehow had international jurisdiction, using Patreon he could maybe argue that he's just putting his work out for free as a hobby and people aren't paying for his game, they're paying for the Patreon updates, again which is why all this anti-piracy crap people are on is completely laughable.

 

[Khan Targaryen]

I don't know how true that is. What helps them is exposure and people supporting them on patreon or subscribestar. I don't see how leaking stuff that is meant for supporters helps them, if anything it gives people one less reason to support them since they can already play it for free anyway.

Eh, this is totally different but I'll say it anyway. I didn't want to play Horizon Zero Dawn, but after It became free on #PlayAtHome I actually enjoyed it. Now, I didn't want to play Horizon Zero Dawn because the MC was a women. Now I wish I'd bought it way back. Below are examples of me pirating games then buying them for-real after enjoying them(I swear I bought Skyrim and Fallout 4 THREE times! On PS4, Xbox One, and PC. Even the season pass for Fallout I bought three times. Fucking Ridiculous now that I think about it)

I pirated Clone Drone In The Danger Zone and I ended up actually buying it from steam to show my support. I've pirated other games and ended up legitatly buying them. Hmmmmmm.........why did I even post this?