Ren'Py Twisted World [v0.1.5 Remake] [SnatsGames]

[Yukariin]

To be specific it's credit card and payment processing companies that don't want to be associated with porn because they're all puritanical cunts. Although it wouldn't surprise me if the people behind Patreon thought the same way.

yes it's credit cards but that's not the real reason.
i'm pretty sure they don't have any real moral compass, they only care to the extend of whether it's making them more or less money.
there are national and international regulations for each country regarding certain pornographic content (human trafficking, **, sexual exploitation, etc) and from time to time the authorities will hammer mastercard and visa for this stuff regardless if there's good evidence or not that there's anything illegal (imagine some judge getting triggered by something they saw online and issuing a judicial order against whoever is in charge of it).
mastercard and visa then have to spend time and money defending themselves for virtually no benefit.
it's an obvious equation, they just prefer to get rid of stuff even remotely risky at the drop of a hat to save money on lawyers.

 

[wahhaw]

The remake was great but I really hope the dev isn't going to drip feed content like so many other Patreon projects that get some notoriety. If it will still be a Patreon project much longer that is. Have they made some kind of official statement on the "review"? Can't really think of something in the game that could be described as glorifying violence or rape, and the art is far from photorealistic so it shouldn't get dinged there either.

 

[VPedge]

Patreon has so many dumb rules, at this rate every game will be removed from there. Genex love from what the dev said on discord is under review because of "glorification of sexual violence" and beastiality. I guess monster girls are considered beastiality now lol. Patreon fucking sucks for adult games. I hope snats is able to get his page back, but at this point patreon brings more risks than benefits.

I am going to be real at this point they should just stop beating around the bush and say they don't want anything adult rated its very clear here with all these dumbass rules

 

[Badjourasmix]

I am going to be real at this point they should just stop beating around the bush and say they don't want anything adult rated its very clear here with all these dumbass rules

Like I sand in another post, I think the strategy is just to keep coming up with dumb rules to make it really hard for devs to have their games on patreon, so they move on their own to other platforms. They don't want to deal with the backlash of hundreds of devs and their fanbases all at once. It will not surprise me if in the next 2 or 3 years they decide to ban all games. Most devs don't want to, but they should start seriously considering moving their games to other platforms because you never know what dumb rule they will come up next.

 

[PornWarrior112]

This remake is "you should have left this in the drafts" visualized. To hell with complaints about any other aspect of it, this remake makes the original look Shakespearean in comparison. The intro was snappy, to the point, and quickly established the whole deal so you can get to the fucking in a timely manner. THIS version's intro went on for so long, I lost my boner. 'Nuff said.

So many narrative decisions included make me go "but for why tho??" Why try to string along your fanbase with so many promises when you, at the end of the day, knew that you wouldn't be able to deliver? And don't say they were rushed because at this stage, what's another month or two to polish and add stuff? Adding in systems no one (I don't THINK) asked for, changing up the models, conceptualizing a remake when the original was starting to really hit its stride, none of it makes sense.

Shit's disheartening. Hope y'all find joy in it though.

 

[yoyomistro]

I am going to be real at this point they should just stop beating around the bush and say they don't want anything adult rated its very clear here with all these dumbass rules

Like I sand in another post, I think the strategy is just to keep coming up with dumb rules to make it really hard for devs to have their games on patreon, so they move on their own to other platforms. They don't want to deal with the backlash of hundreds of devs and their fanbases all at once. It will not surprise me if in the next 2 or 3 years they decide to ban all games. Most devs don't want to, but they should start seriously considering moving their games to other platforms because you never know what dumb rule they will come up next.

They obviously learned the lesson of first tumblr, and then almost OnlyFans before they reverted that going PC/family friendly overnight will disintegrate your website faster than an h-bomb, so they're definitely going for a death by 1,000 cuts strategy. Pretty soon all that will pass their censors will be the most vanilla romance fare that you might as well not call it porn anymore, and they'll be satisfied to leave that there and have a bit of their cake + whatever mainstream appeal they've accrued.

Honestly we need a payment processor who just says fuck all the countries with weird-ass rules (get a VPN), that can have enough cache to function in mainstream transactions but mitigate the risk of adult content. That's pretty pie-in-the-sky but we can't have the adult scene go back to M'n'F type content and people working for updoots on Newgrounds tier stuff or vanilla only. subscribestar is good, but I'm not sure what's keeping it from catching on (I'm guessing it's the "risk" with adult content that always seems to be an issue, I haven't done enough research to know for sure).

 

[Lovetities]

Any news on what's snats next decision? Is the game abandoned? No updates or releases of the hospital events lmfao. I hope he doesn't use the patreon shit as an excuse to ditch February release

 

[X[]-[]X]

Any news on what's snats next decision? Is the game abandoned? No updates or releases of the hospital events lmfao. I hope he doesn't use the patreon shit as an excuse to ditch February release

He never said the hospital update was coming this month.
The hospital is waaaaay longer than Heaven and Hell.

 

[yoyomistro]

He never said the hospital update was coming this month.
The hospital is waaaaay longer than Heaven and Hell.

CHANGES:
Sadly I will need to cut the prologue in half, that means that only the Heaven and Hell events will be presented this month, and move the Hospital event for next month(January or update V0.1.5) the reason of this is because I found some errors and story related stuff on the hospital event that I need to solve and add asap, and with the holidays coming I dont think I would reach the time to check up completly all that data(Plus I dont think it will be possible for me to work on the game while my family members are around during Christmas lol).

This is from a dev log on 12/16/23 I think.

He actually said it was coming last month, but given that Heaven and Hell got pushed back to last month, most of us who are inclined to charitability have assumed the Hospital prologue will be coming this month... If that's not the case then it will be an absolute L on Snats' part unless he's taken a bunch of feedback to make some substantive changes, because the impression was that what needed to be done on the second half is mostly bugfixing/testing.

So unless he was lying or he is indeed making feedback-based changes, there is no reason to not expect the update some time this month. There's no reason to assume "error fixing" and "story-related stuff" should take more than an additional month-and-a-half, assuming Snats was already basically done with renders, area scripts, and most of the writing. I haven't been on the Discord, and the SS page isn't showing any updates; I'm assuming it's just not updating for non-members. So until someone is willing to leak some form of progress, we have to assume he at best grossly misrepresented the work that was left on the Hospital prologue or was inspired to make some substantive improvements. The worst assumptions are of course already all over the thread.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Damn.. snats just made an announcement on discord, he will just have the game on SS from now on. At least he will have more creative freedom on SS, but most of his support was on patreon and there will be a good number of people that won't be able to support him on SS.

 

[yoyomistro]

Damn.. snats just made an announcement on discord, he will just have the game on SS from now on. At least he will have more creative freedom on SS, but most of his support was on patreon and there will be a good number of people that won't be able to support him on SS.

That's unfortunate... Well, a lot of people have made the move to SS (I haven't yet, even though I hate Patreon with a red hot fury at this point... I probably should lol.) and the more shit like this happens, the more will. I get that it doesn't have PayPal but PayPal is a huge part of the reason adult creators have issues in the first place.

 

[Badjourasmix]

That's unfortunate... Well, a lot of people have made the move to SS (I haven't yet, even though I hate Patreon with a red hot fury at this point... I probably should lol.) and the more shit like this happens, the more will. I get that it doesn't have PayPal but PayPal is a huge part of the reason adult creators have issues in the first place.

From the post he made on discord it seemed like they were just trying to find any excuse to remove him. I think we will start to see a lot more devs leaving patreon if they continue coming up with new rules. More than 90% of the games there are breaking some rule at this point so it's inevitable. The sad thing is that this situation will result in some games getting abandoned or getting updates less often. Bigger devs will probably be able to get enough support once they make the move, but for the smaller devs that are barelly making enough to work on the game it will be a very big hit.

 

[yoyomistro]

From the post he made on discord it seemed like they were just trying to find any excuse to remove him. I think we will start to see a lot more devs leaving patreon if they continue coming up with new rules. More than 90% of the games there are breaking some rule at this point so it's inevitable. The sad thing is that this situation will result in some games getting abandoned or getting updates less often. Bigger devs will probably be able to get enough support once they make the move, but for the smaller devs that are barelly making enough to work on the game it will be a very big hit.

Hopefully the ecosystem will find a new equilibrium. When tumblr died a lot of people were left stranded but people eventually resettled on twitter/newgrounds. I know SS is lacking a lot of features/infrastructure but adult creators always persevere. No matter how much some people want to quash this space, it's just a part of what humans want, whether some people want to hide it or not.

 

[Lovetities]

He never said the hospital update was coming this month.
The hospital is waaaaay longer than Heaven and Hell.

Yeah suuureee buddy lmfao

That's unfortunate... Well, a lot of people have made the move to SS (I haven't yet, even though I hate Patreon with a red hot fury at this point... I probably should lol.) and the more shit like this happens, the more will. I get that it doesn't have PayPal but PayPal is a huge part of the reason adult creators have issues in the first place.

I think if patreon continue like that then it won't be long until subscribestar bring more payments options lol. Creator are the only reasons why sites like patreon are active lmfao

 

[X[]-[]X]

This is from a dev log on 12/16/23 I think.

He actually said it was coming last month, but given that Heaven and Hell got pushed back to last month, most of us who are inclined to charitability have assumed the Hospital prologue will be coming this month... If that's not the case then it will be an absolute L on Snats' part unless he's taken a bunch of feedback to make some substantive changes, because the impression was that what needed to be done on the second half is mostly bugfixing/testing.

So unless he was lying or he is indeed making feedback-based changes, there is no reason to not expect the update some time this month. There's no reason to assume "error fixing" and "story-related stuff" should take more than an additional month-and-a-half, assuming Snats was already basically done with renders, area scripts, and most of the writing. I haven't been on the Discord, and the SS page isn't showing any updates; I'm assuming it's just not updating for non-members. So until someone is willing to leak some form of progress, we have to assume he at best grossly misrepresented the work that was left on the Hospital prologue or was inspired to make some substantive improvements. The worst assumptions are of course already all over the thread.

"January" or "update V0.1.5". Nowhere does he say, that V0.1.5 is coming out in February.

He may have pre-made things like animations etc, but then you have to actually put all that together and make sure it works properly. Like take Afiria's boobjob for example---her boobs were clipping and it took awhile to fix them. Plus, there's the script and let me tell you, you don't get much written in a day.

 

[yoyomistro]

"January" or "update V0.1.5". Nowhere does he say, that V0.1.5 is coming out in February.

He may have pre-made things like animations etc, but then you have to actually put all that together and make sure it works properly. Like take Afiria's boobjob for example---her boobs were clipping and it took awhile to fix them. Plus, there's the script and let me tell you, you don't get much written in a day.

IDK enough about the animation process to comment on that, but I've seen the scripts and done enough scripting to know that once you've done enough of it, if you're not doing anything complicated (Snats isn't) you should get used to it. It might not be his strong point, but lets not twist what he's clearly said in his own words. The implication is that marginal tweaks are being made and the hospital release doesn't need an amount of work that's going to take months to complete. It's fine if that doesn't happen but there was an expectation and Snats himself set it.

 

[fisty123]

Any news on what's snats next decision? Is the game abandoned? No updates or releases of the hospital events lmfao. I hope he doesn't use the patreon shit as an excuse to ditch February release

As mentioned in a post just above the dev has moved fully to substar,
however a question was asked "will you be changing the game now your only on SubscribeStar?

Snatz responds "YES" and posts a gif of vin diesel drinking a beer..

This means incoming family content with no restrictions, no need for patches and can write the game how it was intended.

Damn.. snats just made an announcement on discord, he will just have the game on SS from now on. At least he will have more creative freedom on SS, but most of his support was on patreon and there will be a good number of people that won't be able to support him on SS.

Snats has 1092 subs on SubscibeStar, sure it's not everything but the following for this game was already high on SubStar due to the nature of "family" Content.

 

[Badjourasmix]

As mentioned in a post just above the dev has moved fully to substar,
however a question was asked "will you be changing the game now your only on SubscribeStar?

Snatz responds "YES" and posts a gif of vin diesel drinking a beer..

This means incoming family content with no restrictions, no need for patches and can write the game how it was intended.


Snats has 1092 subs on SubscibeStar, sure it's not everything but the following for this game was already high on SubStar due to the nature of "family" Content.

Most of those subs are for the free tier

 

[Glewey15]

I wonder if updates will come out quicker since they probably want to get their SubscibeStar sub count up.

 

[Badjourasmix]

A lot of people don't really pay attention to this thread and/or aren't very active on discord so it would make sense to release something soon, so people know what is going on. We saw what happened with the remake, there was a influx of people to this thread that didn't even know the game was being remade even though the dev had talked about it over a year ago.

As for what fisty123 said. Snats will definitely have way more creative freedom, but other than not needing a patch, I don't think there will be very big changes to the story.