VN Ren'Py UNDAWN: Shackles of Eternity [Development Thread]

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Damn,just reading the description alone got me hard. I can't imagine what will happen to me when this drops in full glory:oops:
 
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shamtiiomi

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Little update on thread.

Worldbuilding in Undawn

Undawn draws inspiration from a variety of real-world mythologies and cultures — from Slavic folklore to Norse sagas, from medieval Europe to ancient China. These influences shape the world’s rituals, beliefs, creatures and nations.

Some main and side characters for example.
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The foundation is fantasy, but rooted in stories humanity have told for centuries.
If you sense echoes of The Witcher, Game of Thrones, or even The Lord of the Rings you’re not wrong.
I’ve always been a huge fan of fantasy — so it’s no surprise that stories like these helped shape my own.
all this "futa" characters will have tehy own arc and so they own scenes \solo? they will be only sub or some of them will be also dom? they wil be any sharing,i? i know u say no ntr but u see they are "futas' or aenth still have dicks ,so the question is ,they will be entitled to participe share,solo,be sub or dom,we will have the last word of all of that? or some chars are walls to get rid or doors to be open?
 

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all this "futa" characters will have tehy own arc and so they own scenes \solo? they will be only sub or some of them will be also dom? they wil be any sharing,i? i know u say no ntr but u see they are "futas' or aenth still have dicks ,so the question is ,they will be entitled to participe share,solo,be sub or dom,we will have the last word of all of that? or some chars are walls to get rid or doors to be open?
The only absolutely dominant character in Undawn is Rhiannon. The chance of anyone actually topping her is extremely low — but it's way too early to go into detail on that.

As for other characters with dicks — most of them lean more toward the submissive side.
Whether or not they’ll actually use their dicks in scenes will heavily depend on player preferences and choices and my lazyness :HideThePain: .
 

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The only absolutely dominant character in Undawn is Rhiannon. The chance of anyone actually topping her is extremely low — but it's way too early to go into detail on that.

As for other characters with dicks — most of them lean more toward the submissive side.
Whether or not they’ll actually use their dicks in scenes will heavily depend on player preferences and choices and my lazyness :HideThePain: .
thx for the ultrafast respinse and for the amazing work u doing,...i really hope u can top UI but i dont know if i want u to do it,..jade is thebest "futa" character i ever see read or heard , and dunno if i want to see someone diferent besting her,...my prefernces ofc ,ur game ofc ....really hope one day u will re do or make a daz game with jade again,....wish u the best of succes
 
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Tad Cooper

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For fuck's sake... This is probably not the place for this rant because I feel like the entire website needs to hear it, but this little discussion just set me off.

Top != Dom. They are peanut butter and chocolate. Two great tastes that go great together, but they are not the same. You can be dominant without penetration. Hell women get paid pretty lucratively to do that. You can penetrate without being dominant, like every well adjusted normie on the planet. And you can be dominant and get penetrated. Femdoms exist. Powerbottoms exist. Not every aspect of sex involves BDSM. It is in fact somewhat rare to be into it, and if you're talking about dominance that is what you are talking about.

Where does this idea come from? All those pride parades where they let the leather and latex crowd join in for solidarity got people confused? Is it a manga thing because Japan grabs English loan words and promptly changes their meaning utterly and then those words filter back through the weeb crowd whose only real exposure to sex is the deranged scribblings of Japanese neets? Why does linguistic drift always seem to result in a loss of specificity? For example gooner is now used to mean literally any person who masturbates, which means we no longer have a word for what gooning originally was. Super gooning? Shin no gooning?

To sum up words fucking matter please try to use them correctly. It's not like you're reading this on a device connected to the sum total of human knowledge or anything.

Fuck. I need a drink and it's 8AM.
 

Kind Nightmares

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For fuck's sake... This is probably not the place for this rant because I feel like the entire website needs to hear it, but this little discussion just set me off.

Top != Dom. They are peanut butter and chocolate. Two great tastes that go great together, but they are not the same. You can be dominant without penetration. Hell women get paid pretty lucratively to do that. You can penetrate without being dominant, like every well adjusted normie on the planet. And you can be dominant and get penetrated. Femdoms exist. Powerbottoms exist. Not every aspect of sex involves BDSM. It is in fact somewhat rare to be into it, and if you're talking about dominance that is what you are talking about.

Where does this idea come from? All those pride parades where they let the leather and latex crowd join in for solidarity got people confused? Is it a manga thing because Japan grabs English loan words and promptly changes their meaning utterly and then those words filter back through the weeb crowd whose only real exposure to sex is the deranged scribblings of Japanese neets? Why does linguistic drift always seem to result in a loss of specificity? For example gooner is now used to mean literally any person who masturbates, which means we no longer have a word for what gooning originally was. Super gooning? Shin no gooning?

To sum up words fucking matter please try to use them correctly. It's not like you're reading this on a device connected to the sum total of human knowledge or anything.

Fuck. I need a drink and it's 8AM.
Hey, I totally get where you’re coming from, and honestly — you’re absolutely right about the difference between Dom and Top.
In this case, though, I really did mean it in the sexual context — as in, Rhiannon being someone who almost certainly won't let anyone top her in a scene. So yeah, not just general personality dominance, but literal sexual behavior.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear — I should’ve worded it better. I’m just as allergic to people throwing around terms without understanding them, so I respect your rant 100%.
 

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Hey, I totally get where you’re coming from, and honestly — you’re absolutely right about the difference between Dom and Top.
In this case, though, I really did mean it in the sexual context — as in, Rhiannon being someone who almost certainly won't let anyone top her in a scene. So yeah, not just general personality dominance, but literal sexual behavior.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear — I should’ve worded it better. I’m just as allergic to people throwing around terms without understanding them, so I respect your rant 100%.
Okay, thank you for that but everything I was talking about is sexual. Do you think it isn't sexual when some hedge fund manager pays a woman named Mistress Dominique to make him lick her boot heels so he can have a few moments where he doesn't need to be in control? Is it really so difficult to imagine a person who has a vagina getting it fucked and still being utterly in charge? I can recommend reading material if that would help. Y'know what, I'm gonna toss out this greentext I saw reposted the other day.

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See? Bottoming AND domming. Anon thinks it's age play or incest play that broke his brain, but it's really that he submitted. She looked him in the eyes and gave him both a command and permission to give up control.

Look, it's your story and I recognize that being versatile (as in both topping and bottoming) is not your thing. It does tend to make me question the point of giving Rhiannon a vagina at all, or giving a penis to any of the characters she's going to be railing. I guess a story where the sexy vampire lady with a cock wishes she was a sexy vampire man and hates that she has these unnecessary appendages could be interesting, or one where she's saving it for someone who's even more badass than she is, but I know that I'd rather see her experience pleasure using all her parts as her devoted thralls worship her in their submission.
 

Kind Nightmares

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Okay, thank you for that but everything I was talking about is sexual. Do you think it isn't sexual when some hedge fund manager pays a woman named Mistress Dominique to make him lick her boot heels so he can have a few moments where he doesn't need to be in control? Is it really so difficult to imagine a person who has a vagina getting it fucked and still being utterly in charge? I can recommend reading material if that would help. Y'know what, I'm gonna toss out this greentext I saw reposted the other day.

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See? Bottoming AND domming. Anon thinks it's age play or incest play that broke his brain, but it's really that he submitted. She looked him in the eyes and gave him both a command and permission to give up control.

Look, it's your story and I recognize that being versatile (as in both topping and bottoming) is not your thing. It does tend to make me question the point of giving Rhiannon a vagina at all, or giving a penis to any of the characters she's going to be railing. I guess a story where the sexy vampire lady with a cock wishes she was a sexy vampire man and hates that she has these unnecessary appendages could be interesting, or one where she's saving it for someone who's even more badass than she is, but I know that I'd rather see her experience pleasure using all her parts as her devoted thralls worship her in their submission.
That's exactly where our perspectives differ a bit.
I do understand what you're saying — that being physically in a "receiving" position doesn’t mean being submissive. And I agree with that in principle.
It’s not the physical act itself that defines who holds power, but the emotional context and personal choice behind it.

In the end, we’re talking about the same thing, just in different words.
What I meant was: with Rhiannon, it’s not about her rejecting certain acts, but about how hard it is for someone to earn her trust enough for her to open up in such a vulnerable way.
It’s not about disgust, and it’s not a mechanical "no penetration" rule — it’s about the emotional barrier she has built around herself. Even if she were to allow someone to take that role physically, it would happen on her terms, and she would still be the one in control, emotionally and mentally.

As I’ve said before when making IU, I try to build every scene around who the characters are, not just around the physicality of the moment. For me, it’s about telling an authentic story, not about how flexible or “functional” a character’s body is