VN Ren'Py Abandoned Undercover Love [Ep.5e Bug fix] [Crimson Axis Studio]

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

CrimsonAxisStudio, thank you for an interesting story and cute models, especially the sisters.

I liked when you used "anonimous" texts to describe situations, like this:

"Otto installs the cameras ..."

without "Narrator". I think it's better for the immersion if you don't show "Narrator" as a speaking character at all.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the feedback. I'll test that in the next update and see how it's received.

Just found out about this avn so i took a little look at the files and was wondering something...

CrimsonAxisStudio have you considered converting images to jpg (jpeg) format, it would reduce the size considerably with little quality loss?

WEBP would be even better.

I've spoken to the fella that does game compression about how he does it and I will be doing compression prior to the next update to address the game size.

No compressed yet?

I've re-updated the link on the main listing to reflect 0.0.1a in the compressed download section.

 

[sokkona]

It's a perspective problem with the focal length being too short. I'll fix it during next update.

I want to apologize for my comment. I've just read it, and i should have wrote that in another way, it looks kind of rude. Again, sorry for that comment.

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

I want to apologize for my comment. I've just read it, and i should have wrote that in another way, it looks kind of rude. Again, sorry for that comment.

All good. I knew the focal length was creating a fish eye effect, but that render, due to the number of models, needed double the iterations to look decent, and I didn't want to spend a couple hours on just that one and delay launch that day.

 

[Edrick23]

The renders are great, but the pace is (too?) fast!
I know that the girls are magically aroused. Yet it's weird that they have the same reaction whatever the MC did before.

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Do you get what I mean, crimsonaxisstudio ?
The sex scenes should be rewards because MC is kind to a girl, show his interest or/and spend time with her. If he didn't do that, there should be an alternative scene with just shortened dialogue and no sex part.

Besides if some of us aren't interested in a particular girl (yeah, I'm sure they exist ^^ ), they will avoid her and so they won't have to see an "annoying" sex scene (even if it's great).

It's just a suggestion. Keep up the good work.

 

[punisher2099]

Kayla looks like she's been dead for quite awhile. It looks like they dragged home a corpse.

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

The renders are great, but the pace is (too?) fast!
I know that the girls are magically aroused. Yet it's weird that they have the same reaction whatever the MC did before.

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Do you get what I mean, crimsonaxisstudio ?
The sex scenes should be rewards because MC is kind to a girl, show his interest or/and spend time with her. If he didn't do that, there should be an alternative scene with just shortened dialogue and no sex part.

Besides if some of us aren't interested in a particular girl (yeah, I'm sure they exist ^^ ), they will avoid her and so they won't have to see an "annoying" sex scene (even if it's great).

It's just a suggestion. Keep up the good work.

I've mentioned this before somewhere, but due to rendering times, I am working on one line of scenes at a time and not all scenes that can happen. Those lines of scenes will be added later.

I do this simply due to the fact that if I were to add the first day in its entirety, nothing interesting would be happening for a number of updates and it would be detrimental to the health of the game.

Eventually, there will be multiple options and choices that will lead you down several paths, and some things may or may not happen. Like the path that changes the Claudia yoga scene.

Consider that a 30 render scene at the iterations that I render at, takes about 45 hours of render time. That's 45 hours that I can't use my computer.

Just like the evening party scene has a choice e to diverge, the yoga scene will have a branch right before it that sends you on another branch with Jeni, slated for next content update. And the yoga scene will have another branch inside of it based on variables that will have requirements to be met before you would see that scene.

It just takes time to get there. Lots and lots of time.

 

[RoadWulf]

Dev:
*has two stories in front of him*

1. Game with actual plot, game mechanics that remain the same through out and even character development between all characters at a pace that makes sense

2. Batshit crazy plot, with plotlines all over the place, characters that we see nothing of, underlying story that eventually just gets ignored for weird fantasy plotline (that also gets ignored), and sex scenes that happen way too fast

*crumples up the first one and throws it out the window*

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

Dev:
*has two stories in front of him*

1. Game with actual plot, game mechanics that remain the same through out and even character development between all characters at a pace that makes sense

2. Batshit crazy plot, with plotlines all over the place, characters that we see nothing of, underlying story that eventually just gets ignored for weird fantasy plotline (that also gets ignored), and sex scenes that happen way too fast

*crumples up the first one and throws it out the window*

Thanks for the feedback.

You can refer to some of my previous posts for reasoning that would sufficiently explain why things are done the way they are.

 

[lyfsavor]

Love the renders in this, cute girls with big bazooms! Especially Sasha with her red hair, pouty lips and huge knockers! And Claudia is milftastic. I hope the dev makes this a VN and not sandbox eventually. Sound would be nice but we have Koga to mod that thankfully.

 

[Bobby Boucher]

I hope this game is around for the long haul. I’ve been seeing a lot of potentially great games dropping like flies recently. Looking forward to more of Claudia.

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

Love the renders in this, cute girls with big bazooms! Especially Sasha with her red hair, pouty lips and huge knockers! And Claudia is milftastic. I hope the dev makes this a VN and not sandbox eventually. Sound would be nice but we have Koga to mod that thankfully.

This will not be a sandbox. Dropped that many months ago. I may make a sandbox game in in future, bit that will be a different title.

Sound is something I'm working on now and will hopefully have in for the next big update.

I hope this game is around for the long haul. I’ve been seeing a lot of potentially great games dropping like flies recently. Looking forward to more of Claudia.

I'll do my best to stick around. It's a lot of work to do these things for basically peanuts, but I definitely enjoy it.

 

[RoadWulf]

Thanks for the feedback.

You can refer to some of my previous posts for reasoning that would sufficiently explain why things are done the way they are.

I mean you can say that all you want, but in the end it's up to you to go back and make changes necessary for your game to make logical sense. Moving on from a Sandbox to a VN does not mean that you can keep the same content and just try to make it appear in the same order.

Let me go through so I'm clear about what I mean:

Jeni is the first character we're introduced to, you seem to make her out to be where part of the main focus will be, but then after that initial day of her and a little bit in the next she's just gone. Her twin is even more gone, literally you just stopped having her show up for the later 2/3rd of the available content.

The fantasy/power theme that's introduced seems like it's supposed to be a big deal but is handled in such a poor way that it's easier to just go "nope, that didn't happen, just a dream" and move on. The long run, the whole plot seems to be "secret magic powers make girls horny" so that you can rush through any kind of character development and jump straight into the porn. Which is really cheap. Sasha goes from shy girl with a crush to full on slutmode in the matter of a day. It's as bad of a character shift as an NTR game, except in the MC's favor.

Same with Claudia. The early lewds with her were funny, so getting jumped into the content with her was forgivable. But that Yoga Scene was just dumb. Not only is it a horrible trope "Milf does Yoga", she goes form caring motherlike figure into giving you a BJ in an unexplained leap. The only clue you give is if someone had stayed with her and the neighbor... and that scene is rushed too. I get catering to your audience but at a certain point I have to ask if you care about your story at all, or if it's a thin veil to sell nude renders?


Gameplay wise: Choices don't seem to matter much, most of what you get to decide doesn't shape the story for the most part. Also, you have one point in the Pool party scene where your choices add Love or Lust points and then that mechanic is never used again.... that's what I mean about you not having clear gameplay. Do choices matter, or don't they? Does everyone have these points or is it just for her in that single scene? If there are points, how can we see them or know what they are?

There are good spots, especially in the early game when he was actually having decent conversations with the girls. However you have continuity issues (Like Jeni saying she had to get ready for a date, and then later saying she had to get ready for an interview, plus her saying later she's not dating anyone). Plus the complete domination of the time by Sasha and Claudia.

I'd say we're getting railroaded toward one girl if I wasn't so sure by now that there won't be any consequences into screwing them all because these magic powers are going to somehow make them ok with their whole family being your harem.

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

I mean you can say that all you want, but in the end it's up to you to go back and make changes necessary for your game to make logical sense. Moving on from a Sandbox to a VN does not mean that you can keep the same content and just try to make it appear in the same order.

Let me go through so I'm clear about what I mean:

Jeni is the first character we're introduced to, you seem to make her out to be where part of the main focus will be, but then after that initial day of her and a little bit in the next she's just gone. Her twin is even more gone, literally you just stopped having her show up for the later 2/3rd of the available content.

The fantasy/power theme that's introduced seems like it's supposed to be a big deal but is handled in such a poor way that it's easier to just go "nope, that didn't happen, just a dream" and move on. The long run, the whole plot seems to be "secret magic powers make girls horny" so that you can rush through any kind of character development and jump straight into the porn. Which is really cheap. Sasha goes from shy girl with a crush to full on slutmode in the matter of a day. It's as bad of a character shift as an NTR game, except in the MC's favor.

Same with Claudia. The early lewds with her were funny, so getting jumped into the content with her was forgivable. But that Yoga Scene was just dumb. Not only is it a horrible trope "Milf does Yoga", she goes form caring motherlike figure into giving you a BJ in an unexplained leap. The only clue you give is if someone had stayed with her and the neighbor... and that scene is rushed too. I get catering to your audience but at a certain point I have to ask if you care about your story at all, or if it's a thin veil to sell nude renders?


Gameplay wise: Choices don't seem to matter much, most of what you get to decide doesn't shape the story for the most part. Also, you have one point in the Pool party scene where your choices add Love or Lust points and then that mechanic is never used again.... that's what I mean about you not having clear gameplay. Do choices matter, or don't they? Does everyone have these points or is it just for her in that single scene? If there are points, how can we see them or know what they are?

There are good spots, especially in the early game when he was actually having decent conversations with the girls. However you have continuity issues (Like Jeni saying she had to get ready for a date, and then later saying she had to get ready for an interview, plus her saying later she's not dating anyone). Plus the complete domination of the time by Sasha and Claudia.

I'd say we're getting railroaded toward one girl if I wasn't so sure by now that there won't be any consequences into screwing them all because these magic powers are going to somehow make them ok with their whole family being your harem.

This is not a finished game. There's going to things that don't make sense or don't seem to make sense due to lack of content currently in the game.

If I had a render farm, I would easily be able to go minute by minute and release everything in its final form, but I cannot afford that currently.

Until then, scenes will be released in a way that gives each update both some character development and some form of naked time, because that's what people want.

 

[m0us3r]

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Gameplay wise: Choices don't seem to matter much, most of what you get to decide doesn't shape the story for the most part.
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I second most of your ideas this time. For instance, gradual development is a nice thing to have.

As for choices (regarding Claudia etc.), they did matter pretty much in my gameplay, in my opinion. It's a bit subjective of course.

The developer seems to be pretty clever and receptive to feedback, so let's hope he would take a good care about the completeness and continuity of all story lines and elements.

Also, remember the famous German proverb: "Man muss keinem Narren eine halbfertige Arbeit zeigen", roughly translated as: "Don't show half the work to fools", which means incomplete work may seem very different from the end result.

In this case, the developer chose to promote lines not quite chronologically, because that may be easier for production etc. Is it the best choice I don't know; maybe it's less convenient for players if they would need to replay some days again; but I personally am OK with that, as long as complete product would be good; I see all the prerequisites for that in place: great models, good renders quality, attention to details, interesting story (as far as we can expect now), receptiveness to feedback, good feedback (from you in particular)...

So I wish Crimson to stay on course, to keep listening to us players, but also to keep being true to his artistic vision and to keep having fun.

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

I mean you can say that all you want, but in the end it's up to you to go back and make changes necessary for your game to make logical sense. Moving on from a Sandbox to a VN does not mean that you can keep the same content and just try to make it appear in the same order.

Let me go through so I'm clear about what I mean:

Jeni is the first character we're introduced to, you seem to make her out to be where part of the main focus will be, but then after that initial day of her and a little bit in the next she's just gone. Her twin is even more gone, literally you just stopped having her show up for the later 2/3rd of the available content.

The fantasy/power theme that's introduced seems like it's supposed to be a big deal but is handled in such a poor way that it's easier to just go "nope, that didn't happen, just a dream" and move on. The long run, the whole plot seems to be "secret magic powers make girls horny" so that you can rush through any kind of character development and jump straight into the porn. Which is really cheap. Sasha goes from shy girl with a crush to full on slutmode in the matter of a day. It's as bad of a character shift as an NTR game, except in the MC's favor.

Same with Claudia. The early lewds with her were funny, so getting jumped into the content with her was forgivable. But that Yoga Scene was just dumb. Not only is it a horrible trope "Milf does Yoga", she goes form caring motherlike figure into giving you a BJ in an unexplained leap. The only clue you give is if someone had stayed with her and the neighbor... and that scene is rushed too. I get catering to your audience but at a certain point I have to ask if you care about your story at all, or if it's a thin veil to sell nude renders?


Gameplay wise: Choices don't seem to matter much, most of what you get to decide doesn't shape the story for the most part. Also, you have one point in the Pool party scene where your choices add Love or Lust points and then that mechanic is never used again.... that's what I mean about you not having clear gameplay. Do choices matter, or don't they? Does everyone have these points or is it just for her in that single scene? If there are points, how can we see them or know what they are?

There are good spots, especially in the early game when he was actually having decent conversations with the girls. However you have continuity issues (Like Jeni saying she had to get ready for a date, and then later saying she had to get ready for an interview, plus her saying later she's not dating anyone). Plus the complete domination of the time by Sasha and Claudia.

I'd say we're getting railroaded toward one girl if I wasn't so sure by now that there won't be any consequences into screwing them all because these magic powers are going to somehow make them ok with their whole family being your harem.

There are going to be some spoilers/hints at what's to come as I feel like I should address this comment in detail, so please read at your own risk.

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[m0us3r]

I have toyed with the idea that the player would occasionally see..

Sasha thinks:
"I wonder if my butt looks big in this dress.."

..much like I did with characters whispering, but I'm not entirely sold on the idea. Something like that would definitely help with conveying other characters thoughts to the player, but I'm not quite sure if I like it. Thoughts?

Seeing someone in real life or in a movie we often can guess what they are thinking. In VN we can't show the body language in the same level of detail. So speaking in "thoughts" can be justified sometimes. Apart from that, we still can just give some hints, like

Sasha: (scene: eyes directed at her butt in the mirror)
*hesitantly* Hmm...

I think it's always better to try to use the same means as in movies: poses, facial expressions, specific language expressions... Speaking their thoughts should be the last resort.

 

[Bobby Boucher]

This will not be a sandbox. Dropped that many months ago. I may make a sandbox game in in future, bit that will be a different title.

Sound is something I'm working on now and will hopefully have in for the next big update.



I'll do my best to stick around. It's a lot of work to do these things for basically peanuts, but I definitely enjoy it.

I hear that. Some of the Dev I follow only have like 12 to 28 Patreons so yeah it’s really disappointing but keep up the good work. I believe that all good things will come eventually.

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

Seeing someone in real life or in a movie we often can guess what they are thinking. In VN we can't show the body language in the same level of detail. So speaking in "thoughts" can be justified sometimes. Apart from that, we still can just give some hints, like

Sasha: (scene: eyes directed at her butt in the mirror)
*hesitantly* Hmm...

I think it's always better to try to use the same means as in movies: poses, facial expressions, specific language expressions... Speaking their thoughts should be the last resort.

Yea, a lot of that is due to our ability to read body language, which is generally easier when portrayed in video style, rather than a series of photographs. I've got some other ideas I'm going to try first, which I'm going to test in the next update and see how well they're received.

I hear that. Some of the Dev I follow only have like 12 to 28 Patreons so yeah it’s really disappointing but keep up the good work. I believe that all good things will come eventually.

I feel like a lot of devs burn out and abandon their games due to their motivation being money, and I don't think you can go into this kind of thing and expect the money to come quickly. It's a lot like being a painter. You spend a long, long time working on your art, and there's no guarantee of it ever being lucrative, so you have to enjoy painting for paintings sake or you'll never make it to the point of it paying off, financially.

 

[harsha_26]

Is lesbianism avoidable in MFF? If it isn't avoidable, then we have to say no to threesome to don't get to watch lesbian content? If we did that, we have to wait for how much longer for Claudia's non-bi path to get sexual with MC only?

 

[CrimsonAxisStudio]

Is lesbianism avoidable in MFF? If it isn't avoidable, then we have to say no to threesome to don't get to watch lesbian content? If we did that, we have to wait for how much longer for Claudia's non-bi path to get sexual with MC only?

No, it's not avoidable.