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Bestiality is a great fetish on paper and deserves more games/porn, but sadly it attracts all the wrong kind of people making it almost impossible to execute well.
Unpopular Opinion Thread
- Thread starter Mr. Coatl
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- Jul 8, 2022
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I disagree! You comparing Summertime Saga with other realistic 3DCGs VNs would be like comparing Spirited Away with No Country for Old Men. Both can be good, for different reasons. Pornographic games are not mainstream. They don't have millionaire budgets like the Marvel movies. If you find "competently made" pornographic games, it's already a miracle. They become popular precisely because most games of the genre are much worse! If Milfy City were a Marvel movie, Summertime Saga would be Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse in a niche where most other games would be Catwoman (2004).
I would prefer games to be better, more artistic and with incredible writing, but honestly, what I look for in a pornographic game is precisely that it makes me sexually aroused. And if it achieves that with unique art, compelling writing, or fun, or creative, then it really deserves to be popular. Unlike the movies, we don't have that many options. We don't have great filmmakers, we don't have Kubricks, Scorceses, Tarantinos, Gaspar Noés, Lars Von Triers.... we don't even have Spielbergs.
Anyway, I find your hatred against Summertime Saga very strange.
Coincidentally, I came across two of your reviews and found what you said about Summertime Saga to be quite hypocritical.
You gave 2 Stars for Summertime Saga and said: "It's just lame and boring". "A mediocre game". "decent 2D art" "boring stereotypes"
As for Long Story Short, you gave 5 stars and said: "The renders are high quality"
Well... The renders are OK. But the skin texture in many of them is exaggerated, making it look like they have a skin disease. I probably don't know as many games as you do, but I would think a high quality render would be like Apocalust.
And about stereotypes, let's remember that in Long Story Short we have:
You, the geek who spends time on the computer and doesn't have a girlfriend.
Your fat friend who goes to the gym to get ripped and that's why he gets a hot girlfriend
Your friend's hot girlfriend.
Her shy friend who likes to read and could be the MC's romantic interest.
Really an example of originality. :/
You also said that the Summertime Saga's MC is simultaneously a "skinny virgin loser"without friends but also the biggest chad who ever was". So basically he's not the skinny virgin stereotype, because let's face it, skinny virgins don't get laid.
The most popular and hot girl in school is actually not a rich blonde (the stereotype) but she is poor and comes from an abusive home with an alcoholic mother.
I'm not saying that there are no stereotypes in Summertime, as there are several. But it ends up being because they represent social groups, cultures and the game has this cartoonish, non-realistic, caricatured, parody aspect. So obviously it's going to portray them in a cartoonish, stereotypical way. However, the game has a much greater diversity and is much broader. Even though it's a sandbox, and as you pointed out, there's not much connection between the little stories of each woman you have sex with (they don't find out that you have sex with others, and in fact the game gives you the option to tell others that your relationship with them is just complicated) it is still a broad game, with several stories (yes, not very good or deep, but not horrible to read either), where you can choose to play in this or that box, and with more options for sexual fantasies than this game that you give 5 stars. Summertime Saga's art is unique and far from mediocre. The game manages to have its own aesthetic, something that Long Story Short doesn't (as much as you love the renders, it's not an innovative and unique style).
Anime porn sucks. The all-look-same faces with the pointy nose and big, ridiculous eyes. The effeminate art style in general. Even when completely hetero, it's gay as fuck, if you know what I mean. Where is the need coming from? A generation of males raised on cartoons meant for little girls? No thanks.
I also think most Das3d renders are pure carbon-copy shit, too. Unnatural, bland and unsexy. As is the writing of about 96% of the games on this site. Makes sense, though. Reclusive, amateur devs aren't exactly known for their creative skills or sexual experience. So garbage in, garbage out in the storytelling department. (With a notable few exceptions).
Wanted to get that all off my chest. I searched "unpopular opinion" for a reason, of course.
I also think most Das3d renders are pure carbon-copy shit, too. Unnatural, bland and unsexy. As is the writing of about 96% of the games on this site. Makes sense, though. Reclusive, amateur devs aren't exactly known for their creative skills or sexual experience. So garbage in, garbage out in the storytelling department. (With a notable few exceptions).
Wanted to get that all off my chest. I searched "unpopular opinion" for a reason, of course.
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- Oct 27, 2018
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Many porn game devs seem way too up their own ass and lazy but if you mention this you get bombarded by people basically saying "nuh uh"
Grind =/= gameplay
Your first, second, and third possibly up to the fifth game is most probably not good enough for a public release if you're just starting to develop games, and if you do release them don't paywall them you greedy pig
NTR is fine, but some of you fuckers are as obnoxious if not more so than NTR haters
You're making a porn game in ren'py not GTA6 shut up about how you're creating astounding gameplay and story because you aren't
Grind =/= gameplay
Your first, second, and third possibly up to the fifth game is most probably not good enough for a public release if you're just starting to develop games, and if you do release them don't paywall them you greedy pig
NTR is fine, but some of you fuckers are as obnoxious if not more so than NTR haters
You're making a porn game in ren'py not GTA6 shut up about how you're creating astounding gameplay and story because you aren't
- Jul 27, 2017
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The majority of all successful games are the dev's first game. Most people never even make a second game, let alone a fifth.
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Name them, and I can point to several games that weren't the first that are probably better. Unless we're only talking about porn games because frankly I can't point to any good ones because all you need to be successful here is to appeal to the lizard brain section of simpering idiots. As for non-porn; five nights at freddy's, binding of issac, papers, please to start were not the first those devs were released and were helped to be good and successful because they learned from previous failures. Also "your first game" was meant to mean "the first thing you developed" if you're just learning an engine the first thing you make will be garbage because you don't know what you're doing. Just look at this website, I'd say 60% of these games are awful and 30% are decent but would have been significantly better if the dev understood the engine they were using.
Since this got revived, what the heck, might as well say what is on my mind:
- There should not be a "too far" when it comes to fiction. If someone wants to make a story about a nazi raping little girls using the blood of puppies as lube, more the power to them.
I don't have to like it, you don't have to like it but they should not be harrased and insulted for doing it. (Applying everywhere not just the forum)
- Mods are impressive for how much shit they have to put up with on a daily basis.
- Just because anyone can make a game, it doesn't mean everyone should make a game. The community needs less dreamers that come with a barebones idea and yet are already planning their patreon page.
-Accept that you are making adult games not some deep philosofical works, capable of changing the world, that the ignorant masses can not comprehend.
- It is ok to want to be paid for the work you put in your game but don't treat it like you CAN'T make a game without being paid first.
"Oh I can't afford to pay my bills with the current revenue so I can't continue to work on this game".
Well, how did you pay your bills before starting your game, and how do you plan to pay after you quit?
You can admit to people that your livelihood has priority so the game will take longer to make, the game itself doesn't have to solve your financial situation.
You can make a game if you truly are passionate about making a game.
- There should not be a "too far" when it comes to fiction. If someone wants to make a story about a nazi raping little girls using the blood of puppies as lube, more the power to them.
I don't have to like it, you don't have to like it but they should not be harrased and insulted for doing it. (Applying everywhere not just the forum)
- Mods are impressive for how much shit they have to put up with on a daily basis.
- Just because anyone can make a game, it doesn't mean everyone should make a game. The community needs less dreamers that come with a barebones idea and yet are already planning their patreon page.
-Accept that you are making adult games not some deep philosofical works, capable of changing the world, that the ignorant masses can not comprehend.
- It is ok to want to be paid for the work you put in your game but don't treat it like you CAN'T make a game without being paid first.
"Oh I can't afford to pay my bills with the current revenue so I can't continue to work on this game".
Well, how did you pay your bills before starting your game, and how do you plan to pay after you quit?
You can admit to people that your livelihood has priority so the game will take longer to make, the game itself doesn't have to solve your financial situation.
You can make a game if you truly are passionate about making a game.
Well, I can add mine, so why not?
I cannot play a shota/loli game. There are some loli games that has a rare and attractive MCs, who may have any kind of women if they want it... and go for the 8-year old. The same can be said about shota games, and even if it's a gay game, I can't stand having sex with someone who looks like a fucking kid. No, just NO. Even if the MC is the kid, I cannot get myself to play it.
I respect the mods and admins of this site. Volunteer to watch over this horny mess of people is not easy. Also for the uploaders too.
I cannot play a shota/loli game. There are some loli games that has a rare and attractive MCs, who may have any kind of women if they want it... and go for the 8-year old. The same can be said about shota games, and even if it's a gay game, I can't stand having sex with someone who looks like a fucking kid. No, just NO. Even if the MC is the kid, I cannot get myself to play it.
I respect the mods and admins of this site. Volunteer to watch over this horny mess of people is not easy. Also for the uploaders too.
- Sep 13, 2016
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Since they are effectively traps I can see why you dislike them, maybe if they were born hairy and muscular you would be more interested in them.
- Jul 27, 2017
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I agree, but that's not the world we live in. What content is "acceptable" is dictated to a large degree by Patreon and by extension payment processors and banks. Even this site imposes certain limits based on laws and the staff's own morality.
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Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion to be fair.
Voyeurism is severely underserved, I suspect because Devs are worried about being dragged into an NTR debate. Watching someone have sex doesn't mean you have a chance with them or you'd even make it past their personality to want to bed them, much like watching porn. You can overdo it and use it as a cheap way of including sexual content but it makes sense if the MC is a peeping Tom. If he can spy on family he can spy on the hot lady across the street.
Voyeurism is severely underserved, I suspect because Devs are worried about being dragged into an NTR debate. Watching someone have sex doesn't mean you have a chance with them or you'd even make it past their personality to want to bed them, much like watching porn. You can overdo it and use it as a cheap way of including sexual content but it makes sense if the MC is a peeping Tom. If he can spy on family he can spy on the hot lady across the street.
- Aug 8, 2018
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Regardless of genre or game, pretty much every single developer fails at relationship-building, foreplay, and aftercare.
The relationships are mostly sexual and are limited to that we barely see platonic or romantic moments between characters, and even more seldom is that executed well.
The relationships are mostly sexual and are limited to that we barely see platonic or romantic moments between characters, and even more seldom is that executed well.
- Sep 4, 2017
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I'm 99% with you on one of your take and 99% against you on the other.Anime porn sucks. The all-look-same faces with the pointy nose and big, ridiculous eyes. The effeminate art style in general. Even when completely hetero, it's gay as fuck, if you know what I mean. Where is the need coming from? A generation of males raised on cartoons meant for little girls? No thanks.
I also think most Das3d renders are pure carbon-copy shit, too. Unnatural, bland and unsexy. As is the writing of about 96% of the games on this site. Makes sense, though. Reclusive, amateur devs aren't exactly known for their creative skills or sexual experience. So garbage in, garbage out in the storytelling department. (With a notable few exceptions).
Wanted to get that all off my chest. I searched "unpopular opinion" for a reason, of course.
The duality of a man...
Yeah... If I were upvote farming, I'd be wise to post one at a time. Such is life.
(Or technically facepalm farming, based on the thread topic).
- Sep 4, 2017
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People should only start working on a game project if they have a financially stable situation and they should only invest time/money they actually can afford to lose.
At the opposite, I can totally understand a loss of interest if no money is coming in and if the game barely gets the interest of a handful of people.
Passion has its own limits.
- Jun 11, 2018
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During the previous big boom of adult games ~6-8 years ago, a lot of games updated monthly, with apologies being made if the update had to be the first week of the next month. These updates had an hour or two of playtime and replayable scenes. The current dev cycle is way way too dragged out. I get that a lot of devs have other jobs, which is fine, but I have seen several $2-3000+/month patreons who release updates every 4-9 months. Most update tiers are about $5. that's $25-45 PER UPDATE.
I fully believe anyone who patronizes these people is a sucker. Some devs winge about how at the end of that 4-9 month cycle there is 10 hours of content or something. I do not care. break it up! I forget the name of most of these games before I see them again in latest updates. Seriously, I used to spend $50 a month on patreon, but nowadays, I only support 2 devs with consistent update schedules.
If you absolutely cannot push out even a small update every 2 or 3 months tops, maybe you made your game too ambitious or in the wrong engine or your code base could be reworked to make adding new scenes easier or you need to find a partner. Summertime saga is the biggest example of this. They are torturing renpy into a shape it was never meant to be and taking almost a year to add 10 scenes and 3 characters.
The most annoying thing is when you bring up the fact that no update has dropped in 6 months and someone says, "the patreon is a tip jar, sweaty, you aren't owed a product, don't donate if you don't want to." and I check the patreon and see the dev makes $4000+ a month. No. That is a job, you are failing to deliver.
I fully believe anyone who patronizes these people is a sucker. Some devs winge about how at the end of that 4-9 month cycle there is 10 hours of content or something. I do not care. break it up! I forget the name of most of these games before I see them again in latest updates. Seriously, I used to spend $50 a month on patreon, but nowadays, I only support 2 devs with consistent update schedules.
If you absolutely cannot push out even a small update every 2 or 3 months tops, maybe you made your game too ambitious or in the wrong engine or your code base could be reworked to make adding new scenes easier or you need to find a partner. Summertime saga is the biggest example of this. They are torturing renpy into a shape it was never meant to be and taking almost a year to add 10 scenes and 3 characters.
The most annoying thing is when you bring up the fact that no update has dropped in 6 months and someone says, "the patreon is a tip jar, sweaty, you aren't owed a product, don't donate if you don't want to." and I check the patreon and see the dev makes $4000+ a month. No. That is a job, you are failing to deliver.
- Sep 4, 2017
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Hearing the thoughts of the MC is already a terrible idea. Devs should make the player understand the train of thought of the MC without having her/him talking to her/him self.
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AI art is incredibly kinky, providing you look at it from a dehumanising masochistic angle.
Animation is irrelevant in VN style games, the writing should do most of the lifting.
Monster girls that are just ladies with animal ears and a tail are not true monster girls.
Succubi characters without a snuff/draining element completely miss the appeal.
Handjobs > Blowjobs (Especially in an intimate lounging position)
And possibly my most controversial opinion: I'm okay with SFW VNs being on this site!
Animation is irrelevant in VN style games, the writing should do most of the lifting.
Monster girls that are just ladies with animal ears and a tail are not true monster girls.
Succubi characters without a snuff/draining element completely miss the appeal.
Handjobs > Blowjobs (Especially in an intimate lounging position)
And possibly my most controversial opinion: I'm okay with SFW VNs being on this site!
- Oct 27, 2018
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Okay this one in particular makes no sense to me, I want to fuck the demon bitch not die while doing it. Sounds more like you have a niche that isn't being fulfilled than people completely missing the appeal.