- Dec 10, 2017
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So just a thought but didn't Nergal disappear around this time last year? and wasn't the reason that a loved one had passed yes? So it stands to reason that the one year anniversary of said passing is either here or coming up soon? I can honestly say due to my own experiences that the first anniversary is the hardest and if that is the personal life stuff that has caused the delay well I'm more than content to let him have his time.
- Oct 17, 2017
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Just took a look through Nergal's patreon posts and you're right. Nergal went dark last year near the end of August, and posted on March when he came back that there was a passing in his family, what's happening is most likely connected.
ok everybody let's chill and let nergal have his time and we can keep the thread alive by talking about something else like sarah and lisa needs more scenes i've been thinking about peter making thomas and pito mad at school and mrs jenning calls their mom to talk with them so peter can humilliates them by doing their moms do nasty exhibitionist stuff at school or even prostitude them that would be sick
- Oct 17, 2017
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I doubt we'll see that in the official game, but recommend it to Chilly or another modder, it has potential.
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Damn, that's some good detective work. And yes, the first year is the worst. So many 'first time doing this without the other person' moments. The first-year anniversary will be a proper bitch.
Nergal should start considering be the leader and head manager ONLY for his games and get another person to deal with the code bytes if he care that much about his audience and supporters.
- Sep 15, 2017
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As a reminder everyone, it's perfectly understandable to be upset or disappointed by the delay. However, starting rants and flame wars will not benefit anyone, and it tends to leave the thread in a complete mess. I would like to quote Nergal himself, from his returning post this spring.
"However there are going to be changes. First and foremost around the Patreon. We'll no longer be dropping monthly patreon beta builds on a definite and hard schedule; at least not initially. Instead all builds will be released to the public, with the aim of making a new build every 1-2 months.
The aim is to make the patreon a form of tip jar for now. You only contribute as much as you would like and you get access to all the builds the same time as everyone else. We will be offering certain rewards to higher tiers, such as voting rights, certain behind the scenes stuff, maybe even some exclusive artwork too. So there's still a reason to pledge even if you don't want to just support!
The main reason for this change is because I didn't want to return and immediately ask for money. I'm not asking for any money now (I will repeat because I know how the internet likes to miss things out
) ALL REMAINING BUILDS WILL BE FREE. I'm here to finish the project I started, but also finish it well. I want it to be an enjoyable game that people really love and support.
Another reason is quality control. Most of the problems stem from feeling the rush of having to reach that monthly deadline. It wasn't enjoyable knowing I was putting out less than quality code. But I also refused to not deliver on time (or at least once a month.) It's no one's fault but my own, but I'm hoping this new way of working will mean the work I put out is always top form."
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If you're unhappy with the situation, There are dozens of other games, communities, and mods to browse. You could do your own modding. You could make your own game. But disparaging a creator working on a game in their free time for having personal issues will, if anything, make the very situation which has upset you worse. Patience, silence, or support, are your best options. As always...
TL;DR- Don't be a dick
"However there are going to be changes. First and foremost around the Patreon. We'll no longer be dropping monthly patreon beta builds on a definite and hard schedule; at least not initially. Instead all builds will be released to the public, with the aim of making a new build every 1-2 months.
The aim is to make the patreon a form of tip jar for now. You only contribute as much as you would like and you get access to all the builds the same time as everyone else. We will be offering certain rewards to higher tiers, such as voting rights, certain behind the scenes stuff, maybe even some exclusive artwork too. So there's still a reason to pledge even if you don't want to just support!
The main reason for this change is because I didn't want to return and immediately ask for money. I'm not asking for any money now (I will repeat because I know how the internet likes to miss things out
) ALL REMAINING BUILDS WILL BE FREE. I'm here to finish the project I started, but also finish it well. I want it to be an enjoyable game that people really love and support.Another reason is quality control. Most of the problems stem from feeling the rush of having to reach that monthly deadline. It wasn't enjoyable knowing I was putting out less than quality code. But I also refused to not deliver on time (or at least once a month.) It's no one's fault but my own, but I'm hoping this new way of working will mean the work I put out is always top form."
citing source-
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If you're unhappy with the situation, There are dozens of other games, communities, and mods to browse. You could do your own modding. You could make your own game. But disparaging a creator working on a game in their free time for having personal issues will, if anything, make the very situation which has upset you worse. Patience, silence, or support, are your best options. As always...
TL;DR- Don't be a dick
Good thing GF commented on the situation, because I was about to mention how the art trello was being updated fairly consistently recently, so it's not like NOTHING was being done for the game in the past months. Plus remember that Nergal mentioned that he made an agreement with GF that if he did have to leave the project again for something like last time then GF would take over as the head of the project (and I would assume that she'd look for someone else to code/write the game), and since we haven't heard anything about that yet it means that Nergal hasn't definitively said "I'm leaving" yet, so for now we all just have to be patient.
- Jan 19, 2018
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Kind of Glassfish to post it, and quite commendable formulated.
But unfortunately what she is also saying is that the team is unaware of when anything will happen again. The code side of the game is for all intents and purposes inoperable, at least temporarily so.
The problem is of course that we are not in a delay situation, that was passed with the explanation deadline Nergal set and no new delay post has come up. Nor is it formally abandoned.
But the practical effect of the code side seemingly being awol without a timeline of any sort involved, even to the team itself, creates a vacuum that will eventually produce the same effect as being abandoned, if not by the team, then certainly by a part of its patrons.
In simple terms, should it stretch too long and the patrons conclude that it is last august all over (when art was also functional but code broke down, as now) then financial support will collapse.
One must certainly hope Nergal manages to at least establish functional contact to the team and that the patron page gets updated before the Patreons gets spooked, they are probably pretty worried as is, and with some reason too.
(Solarion supporters who have had no info at all, must be rather wondering if they even have a developer by this stage as UD surely must take a priority when Nergal return, which will leave Solarion without code support for a prolonged time)
But unfortunately what she is also saying is that the team is unaware of when anything will happen again. The code side of the game is for all intents and purposes inoperable, at least temporarily so.
The problem is of course that we are not in a delay situation, that was passed with the explanation deadline Nergal set and no new delay post has come up. Nor is it formally abandoned.
But the practical effect of the code side seemingly being awol without a timeline of any sort involved, even to the team itself, creates a vacuum that will eventually produce the same effect as being abandoned, if not by the team, then certainly by a part of its patrons.
In simple terms, should it stretch too long and the patrons conclude that it is last august all over (when art was also functional but code broke down, as now) then financial support will collapse.
One must certainly hope Nergal manages to at least establish functional contact to the team and that the patron page gets updated before the Patreons gets spooked, they are probably pretty worried as is, and with some reason too.
(Solarion supporters who have had no info at all, must be rather wondering if they even have a developer by this stage as UD surely must take a priority when Nergal return, which will leave Solarion without code support for a prolonged time)
Hey all,
I've been debating for a while about what to say, which is the reason behind this taking some time before I could post it. I don't want this to be filled with nothing but excuses for the delays, but I also want there to be a level of understanding.
First, I want to be honest about a couple of things. I’ve always done my best to be open about most things, especially with the projects. But I think some would agree that lately I haven't been doing my part on the communication end. And I know a few of the recent builds haven’t hit the scheduled release dates, and that some of my work hasn't been up to my very own standard.
I’d say quite a lot of that is down to my not being well healthwise at the moment. Mentally, I probably wasn't prepared to come back to this project so soon, and other personal things have happened this year, some very recently, not all of which have been good and which caused things to decline a bit.
I've been signed off work for a while now, and convincing myself I could continue with the project, despite not being able to do my day job was a big mistake. It's not the only mistake I've made during this time, but it was probably my biggest regret. I thought a deadline would force me back to the normality of work, but in reality it was more of a stressor, and when you spend most of the day sleeping and unable to focus when you are awake, doing something like this was very difficult.
As I said I didn't want this to be a post filled with excuses, because honestly the way things have been lately haven't been excusable on my part.
Glassfish has done a great job continuing the art and picking things up on the discord and I can't thank her enough for that.
But I want to start with more of an action plan of how things will improve, not just talk about the issues.
A lot of this is down to me being able to improve my mental state of course. I'm seeking treatment and seeing my doctor about changing medication and hopefully things will begin to improve with that. Going forward I want to be more communicative with what's going on in the project, so my plan for that is to post more often, be it small or large, art or code. Depending on the frequency of the posts, I may also put them on the blog, so as not to spam the patreon page.
This isn't just for followers of the project, but also to help me as well. It will help me feel like I'm achieving progress rather than everything being a daunting, giant task. My enjoyment in things (not just project work) has taken a minor dive, but I need to push myself past this to get back to where I was before.
Though my energy levels and focus are extremely low at times, my heart is still in it, thankfully. But I could still use a push here and again.
I want to continue working on these projects and I want them to be something you all enjoy and deserve. I hope I can ask for a bit of support, patience and understanding during this time, but I understand there are some that are rightfully annoyed. I'm going to be doing my best to not let you down in the future and for those whose trust I've let down, I hope to work hard on getting it back.
As for the date of the next build, which I'm sure will be the most common question, I honestly cannot give one just yet, but I'm hoping more frequent updates will give a better sense of when the update is closer to completion.
Thank you to those who’ve supported us and those who continue to support us. It means a lot to me and I hope I can always do right by you.
I'm trying to be honest and open about as much as possible, so if you have a question, or need something clarified then please don't hesitate to ask.
- Nergal (Straight from his Patreon)
I've been debating for a while about what to say, which is the reason behind this taking some time before I could post it. I don't want this to be filled with nothing but excuses for the delays, but I also want there to be a level of understanding.
First, I want to be honest about a couple of things. I’ve always done my best to be open about most things, especially with the projects. But I think some would agree that lately I haven't been doing my part on the communication end. And I know a few of the recent builds haven’t hit the scheduled release dates, and that some of my work hasn't been up to my very own standard.
I’d say quite a lot of that is down to my not being well healthwise at the moment. Mentally, I probably wasn't prepared to come back to this project so soon, and other personal things have happened this year, some very recently, not all of which have been good and which caused things to decline a bit.
I've been signed off work for a while now, and convincing myself I could continue with the project, despite not being able to do my day job was a big mistake. It's not the only mistake I've made during this time, but it was probably my biggest regret. I thought a deadline would force me back to the normality of work, but in reality it was more of a stressor, and when you spend most of the day sleeping and unable to focus when you are awake, doing something like this was very difficult.
As I said I didn't want this to be a post filled with excuses, because honestly the way things have been lately haven't been excusable on my part.
Glassfish has done a great job continuing the art and picking things up on the discord and I can't thank her enough for that.
But I want to start with more of an action plan of how things will improve, not just talk about the issues.
A lot of this is down to me being able to improve my mental state of course. I'm seeking treatment and seeing my doctor about changing medication and hopefully things will begin to improve with that. Going forward I want to be more communicative with what's going on in the project, so my plan for that is to post more often, be it small or large, art or code. Depending on the frequency of the posts, I may also put them on the blog, so as not to spam the patreon page.
This isn't just for followers of the project, but also to help me as well. It will help me feel like I'm achieving progress rather than everything being a daunting, giant task. My enjoyment in things (not just project work) has taken a minor dive, but I need to push myself past this to get back to where I was before.
Though my energy levels and focus are extremely low at times, my heart is still in it, thankfully. But I could still use a push here and again.
I want to continue working on these projects and I want them to be something you all enjoy and deserve. I hope I can ask for a bit of support, patience and understanding during this time, but I understand there are some that are rightfully annoyed. I'm going to be doing my best to not let you down in the future and for those whose trust I've let down, I hope to work hard on getting it back.
As for the date of the next build, which I'm sure will be the most common question, I honestly cannot give one just yet, but I'm hoping more frequent updates will give a better sense of when the update is closer to completion.
Thank you to those who’ve supported us and those who continue to support us. It means a lot to me and I hope I can always do right by you.
I'm trying to be honest and open about as much as possible, so if you have a question, or need something clarified then please don't hesitate to ask.
- Nergal (Straight from his Patreon)
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Commendable but also a very human example of how priorities get screwed badly and end up on their head.
1. He should under no circumstances work on a game in his situation.
Besides being a really bad idea in general, since he needs to focus on health, there are pretty serious consequences he can run into in legal terms if he is still employed but reported in as sick.
(If you do work when reported sick, you are headed for a world of trouble. And if he is a programmer at work, he is in for a world of epic trouble since that means he is doing in his spare time what he claims he can not do at work)
2. He has a history repeating and is still repeating it
- He has an established pattern of taking in too much work (multiple projects at the same time)
- He wants to redo and rework when close to the goal instead of finishing (He wanted to redo AZL, is redoing UD, left AZL unfinished at the goal line) he never gets things done.
But he is still hoping to tackle UD and Solarion is open for business still. He is essentially wishing for a breather before going at it again (which very likely to be a really bad idea, he should wrap up UD in shortest route that satisfies himself and Patreons, and then move to Solarion, which is his dream project and which he frankly has to tell that they can't get time and is essentially paying witchking00 to prepare art for, for the next long, long period of time)
3. Hopefully someone close to him makes him realize that he needs to not just approach UD different but his pattern of "cannibalizing" himself.
Since internet is strangers and frankly not a reliable feedback source (too many fanbois and trolls unless we talk huge volumes of people which patron by its nature is not, its pretty much fanbois and fanbois turned trolls) so they'll either fawn over him and back pad (fanbois) or quietly fume (rest) neither of which is terribly helpful (He needs a doctor, care for health and a "manager" to keep him focused on the doable instead of the dreamed/hoped for, for patreon work).
So delays seems the name of the game. In fact he should delay until treatment is done, since he himself will actually have a chance of getting put back together and by extention the game too.
If he tries to do treatment and UD in parallel, we are essentially back to square one, which is, that it can blow up any second due to volatile circumstances, without warning.
Disclaimer : All viewed from the outside of course, I claim no special powers of divination. Law parts are standard in most countries, the pattern is well established, last point is speculation
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Depression is a rough thing to deal with I know first hand. I hope his doctor is able to find something that helps him.
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I know depression is a bitch and like some others said he may be dealing with the anniversary of the death of a loved one. But does anyone else think that until he is back in a place to work on games maybe he shouldn't be accepting donations for TWO games at once? Or at least put one of them on a "pay per build" basis? Especially when he talked about seeing his games as "giant daunting tasks" and is working a day job. People will spend their money however they want but I still think it's a little shitty. (especially when the Solarian Project patreon hasn't gotten an update in almost a month now)
- Jan 19, 2018
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Dont think calling it a little shitty is unreasonable at all. One can have compassion with his condition, thats human and commendable, but in soliciting money while it goes on and calling it delays in posts ... is not good.
People that are Patreons to him has basically been supporting his couch for months without knowing it.
And the Solarion patrons unless also UD ones are certainly in the dark. Last they were told was "I'm hoping by the End of September/Beginning of October I will something for you to play!"
Short of a miracle recovery thats the next wall coming up.
It is basically not good at all.
He certainly has plenty he needs to get a handle on or that will be the next that blows up.
UH.....
rank the girls?. Going back to play 0.8 was rewarding
from best to worst
Neala-my type of girl....my god...the reverse rape is amazing
Kaylee: Would be above Neala if she had more character and if she reverse raped you. Seriously, all of my fetishes. Bit disappointing that she's the submissive one
Lisa: I thought I would dislike her. Seemed to have a boring look and bitchy personality. She's actually adorable and the better looking of the park MILFs. She got better as the story went on. Ended up being one of my favorites
Jennings: Nice, but her main appeal is her great storyline. Shows how great netori is and how great teachers are. Had a teacher that looked like her too.
Dizzy-she's cute but she feels...kind of over the top in a way. She looks lie a pornstar that got every cosmetic surgery under the sun done.I feel like if she was toned down just a bit. she'd be perf
Ms Amos: Real sexy, and and good mom. That top is insane
Mom: Obligatory mom. She's fine, I don't like blondes. She looks like francine from american dad. I don't like francine.
Sara: my type of milf personality wise and breaking her was great because of pito. Her looks aren't that great though
Donna: Sexy as fuck but boring character. Needs development. Hopefully update will fix
Kimberly: lame. She's hot and all,but boring. Snooooore
sydney:a bitch. nuff said. For no reason too. I also just don't like the pigtail cheerleader look
rank the girls?. Going back to play 0.8 was rewarding
from best to worst
Neala-my type of girl....my god...the reverse rape is amazing
Kaylee: Would be above Neala if she had more character and if she reverse raped you. Seriously, all of my fetishes. Bit disappointing that she's the submissive one
Lisa: I thought I would dislike her. Seemed to have a boring look and bitchy personality. She's actually adorable and the better looking of the park MILFs. She got better as the story went on. Ended up being one of my favorites
Jennings: Nice, but her main appeal is her great storyline. Shows how great netori is and how great teachers are. Had a teacher that looked like her too.
Dizzy-she's cute but she feels...kind of over the top in a way. She looks lie a pornstar that got every cosmetic surgery under the sun done.I feel like if she was toned down just a bit. she'd be perf
Ms Amos: Real sexy, and and good mom. That top is insane
Mom: Obligatory mom. She's fine, I don't like blondes. She looks like francine from american dad. I don't like francine.
Sara: my type of milf personality wise and breaking her was great because of pito. Her looks aren't that great though
Donna: Sexy as fuck but boring character. Needs development. Hopefully update will fix
Kimberly: lame. She's hot and all,but boring. Snooooore
sydney:a bitch. nuff said. For no reason too. I also just don't like the pigtail cheerleader look