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I understand where dev is coming from, but this is basically punishing the class for the actions of 1 student. A bit of an overreaction IMO.
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- Aug 6, 2016
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novel I heard you say that you are stopping ToML, ending public posts, and restricting patreon access just because a person leaked this build. Ever heard of the phrase "cutting off the nose to spite the face"? It means you're hurting yourself by overreacting. This applies here.
Let me explain. You are keeping Patreon builds behind paywalls is to gain more Patrons and increase income, am I correct? No? The only reason to keep Patreon content behind paywalls is to generate income. If you truly weren't concerned about income, you wouldn't hide your game behind a paywall. It stands to reason that leaks should be of no concern to you unless it was a test build. Keep in mind that as builds are leaked, more people play it and some who get the pirated versions will support you because they are aware they are supporting an artist. That's simple math and and statistics. More players equal more patrons. Restricting access to your game to punish a leaker will cost you income and patrons. People here and on other sites will spread the word of what is said and done by you. Many potential patrons will refuse to support you once they hear of that action.
And listen, I read the post and I know you stated that we are not to tell you what you do. I'm not. I'm simply informing you of the potential negative consequences of your decision. It has a strong potential to be very self-destructive to you and I'm saying that you to need to realize this and accept the loss of Patrons and income.
Let me explain. You are keeping Patreon builds behind paywalls is to gain more Patrons and increase income, am I correct? No? The only reason to keep Patreon content behind paywalls is to generate income. If you truly weren't concerned about income, you wouldn't hide your game behind a paywall. It stands to reason that leaks should be of no concern to you unless it was a test build. Keep in mind that as builds are leaked, more people play it and some who get the pirated versions will support you because they are aware they are supporting an artist. That's simple math and and statistics. More players equal more patrons. Restricting access to your game to punish a leaker will cost you income and patrons. People here and on other sites will spread the word of what is said and done by you. Many potential patrons will refuse to support you once they hear of that action.
And listen, I read the post and I know you stated that we are not to tell you what you do. I'm not. I'm simply informing you of the potential negative consequences of your decision. It has a strong potential to be very self-destructive to you and I'm saying that you to need to realize this and accept the loss of Patrons and income.
Looks like old saves don't work so skipping this version cause of drama.
- Jan 3, 2019
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What bothers me is does this mean that:
even patreons wont get new updates like he promissed ? he says he wont release new updates publicly so i guess that counts for patreons too ? because he has to release it so it will become public either way right ?? Because once you release stuff it is already public or else no one could get it.Maybe it is me but this hole situation makes it very confusing right now.
- Jul 10, 2017
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It is the principle of things ... but when any dev does pols and chooses some pledge worth 50 votes in those pols versus some other bloke's measuring a mere 2-5 votes... that sure pisses people off ... if dev wants to do commissions they can reward top tiers ... provided those top tiers do not spill ... on the other hand, why would you pay extra if you cannot boast about it?
This dev already has loyal long time customers ... that have already played the buggy mess ... once they were done with their fun ... it was time to show up their glory ... Once again, mentality of any customer ... no point in buying / owning something in boisterousness if it is done in secret.
On the other hand, any new supporter would be furious if they hit glitches / snags form their game play and since it has already been established this is the alpha ... that was supposed to have been improved over the course of the past week by the higher tiers ... if and because he released the buggy mess to lower tiers and they hit snags ... totally understandable some inpatient hot head got it, was displeased and leaked ... in dissatisfaction.
On the other hand, people have been proven time and time and again for pledging simply to offer games up on their own sites ... this is how some games end up here anyway.
This dev already has loyal long time customers ... that have already played the buggy mess ... once they were done with their fun ... it was time to show up their glory ... Once again, mentality of any customer ... no point in buying / owning something in boisterousness if it is done in secret.
On the other hand, any new supporter would be furious if they hit glitches / snags form their game play and since it has already been established this is the alpha ... that was supposed to have been improved over the course of the past week by the higher tiers ... if and because he released the buggy mess to lower tiers and they hit snags ... totally understandable some inpatient hot head got it, was displeased and leaked ... in dissatisfaction.
On the other hand, people have been proven time and time and again for pledging simply to offer games up on their own sites ... this is how some games end up here anyway.
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- May 10, 2018
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ya..no tagging me for this game pls..lol..tried and denied
ThunderRob .. mmmm... i think you hate the Combat .... and RPG mode .... u want it simple with dialogue and scenes ...right ?
.... u want it simple with dialogue and scenes ...right ?
- May 10, 2018
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lol..you tagged me again..stop it..i'm trying to be mature and stay away from threads of games i do not likeThunderRob .. mmmm... i think you hate the Combat .... and RPG mode
but tag is like honey to this bee and i have to show up..control thy tag yon whippersnapper!!
- Jan 3, 2019
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But this is so funny..lol..you tagged me again..stop it..i'm trying to be mature and stay away from threads of games i do not like
- Jun 10, 2018
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I can't talk for the dev, I don't know him and I haven't played this game yet. But what I can say is when a dev says he/she won't release it publicly, it usually means he/she will release it anyways. It might be on discord or other websites, just not patreon.What bothers me is does this mean that:
Maybe it is me but this hole situation makes it very confusing right now.
anyone found anything with the latest version that wasnt mentioned here yet?
there are some pics in the folder which we dont have scenes for yet i guess
there are some pics in the folder which we dont have scenes for yet i guess
At the moment there's too much focus in grinding coins to avoid game over, rather than focusing on the plot and naked girls. At least that's like it for me. Is there a cheat to get enough money, so I can focus on the actual content?
- Jul 10, 2017
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That is a very good question
jsbb9999 ... modder extraordinaire, Feller of Ashenburg and all around great coder ...
Can you revive your Ashenburg glory days and help us out out here?
question jsbb9999 ... modder extraordinaire, Feller of Ashenburg and all around great coder ...
Can you revive your Ashenburg glory days and help us out out here?
- Jul 10, 2017
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Just remember this try of a medieval setting ... town for gals ... cellars / catacombs for fights:
https://f95zone.to/threads/fall-of-ashenburg-v0-82-alteus.11226/
These 2 devs went total 180 on each other ... Alteus put his dungeon crawler on hold to pursue modern / scy fy settings .... while novel did the exact opposite by abandoning / holding production of his contemporary career crawler office game to pursue ... essentially ... the witcher
Play ... compare ... have one really informed opinion and ... game on!
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Also ... beginner's lucky run for this game means \/ \/ \/
Collecting items and respect / stories in the tavern is always the way in rpg games like this. You don't need to try high-levels fights in the beginning. Farm items and respect.
Collecting items and respect / stories in the tavern is always the way in rpg games like this. You don't need to try high-levels fights in the beginning. Farm items and respect.
Interesting, but not animated.Just remember this try of a medieval setting ... town for gals ... cellars / catacombs for fights:
https://f95zone.to/threads/fall-of-ashenburg-v0-82-alteus.11226/
These 2 devs went total 180 on each other ... Alteus put his dungeon crawler on hold to pursue modern / scy fy settings .... while novel did the exact opposite by abandoning / holding production of his contemporary career crawler office game to pursue ... essentially ... the witcher
Play ... compare ... have one really informed opinion and ... game on!
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I think it's pretty clear that Novel means he won't release the extra stuff he has been planning for now.
And if he decides to do so later, he will not make a public version for them, his patreons will of course get them, because otherwise what would be the point in even making them.
TBH, I found all this talk here about him maybe not even publishing it on patreon ridiculous.
He has no other place where he would publish it. He means he doesn't want the public (meaning the non-paying folks) to get it.
I do believe him that it's not primarily about the money, he's not that big an earner anyway and he must know that this step will cost him patrons (and rightly so, tbh) as others have pointed out, he is punishing those patrons that pay him AND himself with a short-sighted angry reaction.
I tried to reason with him on his patreon, but he wrote something about "his truth" and "my truth," which is funny, because truth wasn't the issue at all.
The thing is, like he points out himself, the guy who did leak the test-build wasn't a normal patreon, it was obviously someone who up and joined to get the build, leak it and then ended his patronage, even BEFORE Novel could kick him.
That makes the punishment of the existing patrons even more short-sighted.
I like Novel and his games (Alanna is one of my favourite waifus), I know he is passionate about them, his heart really is in it, but as I've said before and others have, this is a step that will hurt him and those who have been his supporters.
It just makes no sense. Changing payment to upfront might not prevent this, but it would make it less likely that someone would join to leak an early build.
And if he decides to do so later, he will not make a public version for them, his patreons will of course get them, because otherwise what would be the point in even making them.
TBH, I found all this talk here about him maybe not even publishing it on patreon ridiculous.
He has no other place where he would publish it. He means he doesn't want the public (meaning the non-paying folks) to get it.
I do believe him that it's not primarily about the money, he's not that big an earner anyway and he must know that this step will cost him patrons (and rightly so, tbh) as others have pointed out, he is punishing those patrons that pay him AND himself with a short-sighted angry reaction.
I tried to reason with him on his patreon, but he wrote something about "his truth" and "my truth," which is funny, because truth wasn't the issue at all.
The thing is, like he points out himself, the guy who did leak the test-build wasn't a normal patreon, it was obviously someone who up and joined to get the build, leak it and then ended his patronage, even BEFORE Novel could kick him.
That makes the punishment of the existing patrons even more short-sighted.
I like Novel and his games (Alanna is one of my favourite waifus), I know he is passionate about them, his heart really is in it, but as I've said before and others have, this is a step that will hurt him and those who have been his supporters.
It just makes no sense. Changing payment to upfront might not prevent this, but it would make it less likely that someone would join to leak an early build.
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Now we know where we are ... Ren'Py animation ... .OGV animation ... All are nice but we still need a game to glue them together now, do we not!?!
!?!Haha such is true. While I only play games with animations in them, I'm very picky which games I play; The games must have an immersive and engaging story, otherwise I pass.
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