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JLucci

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Mar 31, 2018
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Oh, Irphaeus lied again? This time about the ban from Patreon and have to give away the game for free? Hmm... why do all the people think this dude is a notorious liar and full of shit, I wonder? Could it be because he's lying about everything?
I'm confused. Where/When did he ever say he was banned and/or that he was giving away the game for free? The posts I see on the Patreon page mention nothing of that, just that the page was under review, the URL and banner image was changed, and some posts where he complained that a lot of people had dropped support to just follow him (What Patreon calls a "Free Subscription" now). He said this in one of those posts: "For the foreseeable future, Wallpapers, Polls and Releases will only be available for Supporter tier and above. However, everyone will still get all the news about updates, and events, so that no one is left out of the loop."

Not trying to say that he hasn't lied in the past, but unless you have some other source of news from him, I have to believe that you just misunderstood what he said.
 

KingFuzzy

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Aug 3, 2018
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so how did irphaeus fuck us over with the "karma"? last time i played it was finally implemented with that stupid... honey bee(?) event, and locked us from picking one of the girls, for some stupid ass reason... and the real punishment that shouild have been tied to karma but wasn't was still inflicted upon us as we had to watch otaku get off with the sister. yeah, because of that last bit my expectations are rock bottom in regards to "karma".
 

Boogie

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Aug 7, 2017
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I don't know anything about the Irphaeus vs Patreaon situation, and frankly don't care.

What I can tell you is that Irphaeus has to give the game away for free. Honey Select, HS2, Koikatsu and any other Illusion game are sold as games and not as content creation tools or assets. That's why you never see these VNs for sale on Steam or other sites. Patreon is a grey area in that you technically are not buying any games but supporting an artist creating content. But that loophole only works if everyone has access to it. For HS games, technically, you are creating fan art. If your HS fan art is behind a paywall that can only be accessed by paying for it then the loophole falls apart because you are now making people pay for art assets that belong only to Illusion. The staggered release dates is another loophole that creators use to encourage others to pay more for their work. But in the end, all games created with any of Illusion's software is ultimately free to the general public (well technically, it all belongs to Illusion but I don't think we'll see them trying to collect). If you want to actually own your own work that others are obligated to pay for, you need to use DAZ, Blender or any other tool that was created for that purpose.
 

Boogie

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Aug 7, 2017
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so how did irphaeus fuck us over with the "karma"? last time i played it was finally implemented with that stupid... honey bee(?) event, and locked us from picking one of the girls, for some stupid ass reason... and the real punishment that shouild have been tied to karma but wasn't was still inflicted upon us as we had to watch otaku get off with the sister. yeah, because of that last bit my expectations are rock bottom in regards to "karma".

The Karma points are now being tracked, but still have not been implemented in any meaningful way.
 

JLucci

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Mar 31, 2018
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I don't know anything about the Irphaeus vs Patreaon situation, and frankly don't care.

What I can tell you is that Irphaeus has to give the game away for free. Honey Select, HS2, Koikatsu and any other Illusion game are sold as games and not as content creation tools or assets. That's why you never see these VNs for sale on Steam or other sites. Patreon is a grey area in that you technically are not buying any games but supporting an artist creating content. But that loophole only works if everyone has access to it. For HS games, technically, you are creating fan art. If your HS fan art is behind a paywall that can only be accessed by paying for it then the loophole falls apart because you are now making people pay for art assets that belong only to Illusion. The staggered release dates is another loophole that creators use to encourage others to pay more for their work. But in the end, all games created with any of Illusion's software is ultimately free to the general public (well technically, it all belongs to Illusion but I don't think we'll see them trying to collect). If you want to actually own your own work that others are obligated to pay for, you need to use DAZ, Blender or any other tool that was created for that purpose.
I agree, but I think the mindset is that its still in "early access" and as long as the final release is free then its fair game. Not that I'd really expect this to ever be completed.

Also, Illusion is gone so its whoever how has rights to their IP that would have to care.
 

Boogie

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Also, Illusion is gone so its whoever how has rights to their IP that would have to care.
That's very true. I've read comments that suggest that nobody owns the software anymore but that's not how it works. Whoever owned Illusion in the first place would still own the IP even if the company closed down. They have shown little interest in what the rest of the world is doing with their software except one press release a few years ago that reminded people that their games are not meant for creating other games.
 

Boogie

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Aug 7, 2017
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Is it just me or did this file grow 4 GB from 0.11 to 0.12?
Yeah, I took a look at the file, and although there are only 409 new files in the Image directory it appears that most (maybe all) of the animations are no longer compressed. For instance, there is that 28 second animation of Helen in the tennis court shower which previously was 30MB and is now a ridiculous 180MB.

So don't be fooled by the size, there is only a combination of 409 new images and animations for all this time.
 

UnoriginalUserName

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Sep 3, 2017
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What do you need a WT Mod for ??. Haven't you read the comments.
This is one of the games where if you ever used a mod in the past your associated saves are doomed to forever need the fucking thing or you can't load them. So it's either wait / hope they update the mod, or restart from scratch without the mod, which isn't worth it for 3 and a half seconds of shit content. :ROFLMAO:
 

PtsZts

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Jan 22, 2024
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Little upset with the lack of Tomoe's content (or Elizabeth's or Inori's or Nanali's) but well, the story is still interesting and enjoyable. I have no problems with the time between updates, the writting and the world built deserved it imo.
 
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