VN Ren'Py Waifu Academy [v0.12.5] [Irphaeus]

[SnowMelts]

Without spoiling, has there been any progress with makoto in the last update?

 

[hotdog10101]

Without spoiling, has there been any progress with makoto in the last update?

None

 

[SnowMelts]

None

Much Thanks

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

I tried to bring this up last year and got shot-down almost immediately so this time I’ll try a less aggressive approach:
Why doesn’t this have the NTR and sharing tags?

I’m not even going to hate on fans of the fetishes and I know fans of the game vehemently disagree(For whatever reasons) but it seems from recent comments/reviews that a lot of people agree that both sharing and-even moreso-NTR are heavily prevalent in the game, often unavoidable to a large degree no matter your choice, and since those tags aren’t on the page they just have to stumble upon them in game and if they, like me, are so opposed to it it essentially ruins the game why not just include the tags/explanations and save people the trouble? Or remove/change it altogether?
I get that the latter would be more work for a dev that already seems to be struggling on multiple fronts but the former would both save a lot of trouble for new players and old fans the trouble of dealing with people who dislike it. I just don’t get it.
Even if fans disagree that it’s NTR/etc if so many new people consistently agree that it falls under those categories shouldn’t you just listen to them? Or is it part of the draw that you can explain it away with semantics and pretend it’s not NTR/etc?

Idk. I’m genuinely wondering and welcome feedback it so I apologize if that sounded accusatory I just don’t get the total unwillingness of even the mods of F95 to not add the tags. I’ve seen the tags slapped on games for much less

 

[xZecretX]

I tried to bring this up last year and got shot-down almost immediately so this time I’ll try a less aggressive approach:
Why doesn’t this have the NTR and sharing tags?

I’m not even going to hate on fans of the fetishes and I know fans of the game vehemently disagree(For whatever reasons) but it seems from recent comments/reviews that a lot of people agree that both sharing and-even moreso-NTR are heavily prevalent in the game, often unavoidable to a large degree no matter your choice, and since those tags aren’t on the page they just have to stumble upon them in game and if they, like me, are so opposed to it it essentially ruins the game why not just include the tags/explanations and save people the trouble? Or remove/change it altogether?
I get that the latter would be more work for a dev that already seems to be struggling on multiple fronts but the former would both save a lot of trouble for new players and old fans the trouble of dealing with people who dislike it. I just don’t get it.
Even if fans disagree that it’s NTR/etc if so many new people consistently agree that it falls under those categories shouldn’t you just listen to them? Or is it part of the draw that you can explain it away with semantics and pretend it’s not NTR/etc?

Idk. I’m genuinely wondering and welcome feedback it so I apologize if that sounded accusatory I just don’t get the total unwillingness of even the mods of F95 to not add the tags. I’ve seen the tags slapped on games for much less

Sharing, yes, the MC let's others do things with the girls, but "NTR" (specifically netorare on this site), not at all.

"NTR" has to apply to the MC's perspective, not your own, so maybe some call it "NTR" because they personally don't want to share which is why they brand it as "NTR". And to clarify, sharing and netorare are two entirely different things, one is (willingly) sharing someone, the other is if a love interest (or anything into that direction) gets stolen from the you (in this case from the MC). And I specify again, the MC, it does not apply to yourself, so if some think this is netorare then they are wrong because the MC's perspective is not your own.

If the MC wants to avoid such situations he will, if not he simply does not care or even initiate them.

To go back to my first sentence, I clarified that on this site "NTR" means specifically netorare, but netori (MC stealing someone's interest) does apply here, but since it is excluded from the tag the tag does not apply here. Personally I think a clarification by changing the tag name from "NTR" into "netorare" is long overdue, as well as the addition of a "netori" tag.

These discussions already happened often enough, it rarely matters which game it is about, some simply confuse the meaning of "NTR" (the tag) or netorare.

Or maybe I haven't played in a while, but I am pretty sure it was always only sharing or the MC not caring and not specifically netorare.

 

[Uriel ☁]

I tried to bring this up last year and got shot-down almost immediately so this time I’ll try a less aggressive approach:
Why doesn’t this have the NTR and sharing tags?

I’m not even going to hate on fans of the fetishes and I know fans of the game vehemently disagree(For whatever reasons) but it seems from recent comments/reviews that a lot of people agree that both sharing and-even moreso-NTR are heavily prevalent in the game, often unavoidable to a large degree no matter your choice, and since those tags aren’t on the page they just have to stumble upon them in game and if they, like me, are so opposed to it it essentially ruins the game why not just include the tags/explanations and save people the trouble? Or remove/change it altogether?
I get that the latter would be more work for a dev that already seems to be struggling on multiple fronts but the former would both save a lot of trouble for new players and old fans the trouble of dealing with people who dislike it. I just don’t get it.
Even if fans disagree that it’s NTR/etc if so many new people consistently agree that it falls under those categories shouldn’t you just listen to them? Or is it part of the draw that you can explain it away with semantics and pretend it’s not NTR/etc?

Idk. I’m genuinely wondering and welcome feedback it so I apologize if that sounded accusatory I just don’t get the total unwillingness of even the mods of F95 to not add the tags. I’ve seen the tags slapped on games for much less

It's not the users that add tags. Mods and staff manage them according to the Tags rules and list. If you think the game lacks a tag go to the OP, hit "Report" and tell them. They'll either add it or reply with their reasoning. There's also the non-zero chance they'll ban you but that's a given lol.

I invite you to watch the issue from the opposite side though. If you were a ntr fan and were actively searching for ntr games via tags and found this game, would this game satisfy your ntr crave? The answer may be subjective but I think it doesn't.

So the core of the question is, what's the purpose of tags? Should they be used to exclude a result (like you don't want to see games that show even an hint of ntr) or should they only include games that actually feature it? The tag is black or white, either the game has it or doesn't, but games aren't. I assure you the staff has no hidden agenda.

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

It's not the users that add tags. Mods and staff manage them according to the Tags rules and list. If you think the game lacks a tag go to the OP, hit "Report" and tell them. They'll either add it or reply with their reasoning. There's also the non-zero chance they'll ban you but that's a given lol.

I invite you to watch the issue from the opposite side though. If you were a ntr fan and were actively searching for ntr games via tags and found this game, would this game satisfy your ntr crave? The answer may be subjective but I think it doesn't.

So the core of the question is, what's the purpose of tags? Should they be used to exclude a result (like you don't want to see games that show even an hint of ntr) or should they only include games that actually feature it? The tag is black or white, either the game has it or doesn't, but games aren't. I assure you the staff has no hidden agenda.

Yeah I tried to report it awhile back and got crickets as the response. Might try again if I decide to care enough lol
But you definitely bring up a point I haven’t heard before via the other side-I’ve had friends into NTR before and a few scenes I can see them classifying it as but others that I’d consider it to be they likely wouldn’t. The train scene is the main example that springs to mind. If you choose to help you get full on gangrape bad-end-which implies the MC dislikes it and it happens anyway-100% NTR-but even if you decide to wait they still do shit with her, and since the option/implication to stop it exists that’s arguably NTR, too. Again seen the tag slapped on for less. Then there’s numerous times where you either by choice or by default watch LI’s do it with other guys or in front of other guys without an ability to avoid or stop it.

Sharing, yes, the MC let's others do things with the girls, but "NTR" (specifically netorare on this site), not at all.

"NTR" has to apply to the MC's perspective, not your own, so maybe some call it "NTR" because they personally don't want to share which is why they brand it as "NTR". And to clarify, sharing and netorare are two entirely different things, one is (willingly) sharing someone, the other is if a love interest (or anything into that direction) gets stolen from the you (in this case from the MC). And I specify again, the MC, it does not apply to yourself, so if some think this is netorare then they are wrong because the MC's perspective is not your own.

If the MC wants to avoid such situations he will, if not he simply does not care or even initiate them.

To go back to my first sentence, I clarified that on this site "NTR" means specifically netorare, but netori (MC stealing someone's interest) does apply here, but since it is excluded from the tag the tag does not apply here. Personally I think a clarification by changing the tag name from "NTR" into "netorare" is long overdue, as well as the addition of a "netori" tag.

These discussions already happened often enough, it rarely matters which game it is about, some simply confuse the meaning of "NTR" (the tag) or netorare.

Or maybe I haven't played in a while, but I am pretty sure it was always only sharing or the MC not caring and not specifically netorare.

I agree completely about that the netori/netorare tags should be distinct. But this whole line of thought also calls into question those distinctions via MC/Player perspective if the game offers no meaningful choice to stop it. I’d argue if the MC is pursuing them sexually they’re arguably a love interest for lack of a better term and since this game, as much as I played anyway, offers either no choices to stop said sharing/NTR(Depending on how you define it) or choices where you see it even if you try to stop it(either from being seen or happening altogether) the tag should be applied-or possibly even also the kinetic tag-because if your choice leads to either a bad end or something you don’t want to see the distinction between MC and player is sort of moot, no?
Also there are several scenes I can vaguely recall before I stopped playing that even without the Player/MC distinction should grant this an NTR tag but the main one is the train/gangrape scene I mention above. If you choose to try and stop it(Which implies the MC doesn’t like it) you get the bad-end/gangrape but even if you don’t you have to watch fairly graphic sexual assault take place before you can step in. And-follow me here-since the choice exists to stop it that implies there’s a version of the MC who doesn’t enjoy it, I.E there’s NTR, so the fact that you have to see some of it makes it unavoidable NTR even by F95 standards as you explained them. Right?
Anyway yeah the sharing tag should be added either way lol

 

[zeromike]

Yeah I tried to report it awhile back and got crickets as the response. Might try again if I decide to care enough lol
But you definitely bring up a point I haven’t heard before via the other side-I’ve had friends into NTR before and a few scenes I can see them classifying it as but others that I’d consider it to be they likely wouldn’t. The train scene is the main example that springs to mind. If you choose to help you get full on gangrape bad-end-which implies the MC dislikes it and it happens anyway-100% NTR-but even if you decide to wait they still do shit with her, and since the option/implication to stop it exists that’s arguably NTR, too. Again seen the tag slapped on for less. Then there’s numerous times where you either by choice or by default watch LI’s do it with other guys or in front of other guys without an ability to avoid or stop it.

I agree completely about that the netori/netorare tags should be distinct. But this whole line of thought also calls into question those distinctions via MC/Player perspective if the game offers no meaningful choice to stop it. I’d argue if the MC is pursuing them sexually they’re arguably a love interest for lack of a better term and since this game, as much as I played anyway, offers either no choices to stop said sharing/NTR(Depending on how you define it) or choices where you see it even if you try to stop it(either from being seen or happening altogether) the tag should be applied-or possibly even also the kinetic tag-because if your choice leads to either a bad end or something you don’t want to see the distinction between MC and player is sort of moot, no?
Also there are several scenes I can vaguely recall before I stopped playing that even without the Player/MC distinction should grant this an NTR tag but the main one is the train/gangrape scene I mention above. If you choose to try and stop it(Which implies the MC doesn’t like it) you get the bad-end/gangrape but even if you don’t you have to watch fairly graphic sexual assault take place before you can step in. And-follow me here-since the choice exists to stop it that implies there’s a version of the MC who doesn’t enjoy it, I.E there’s NTR, so the fact that you have to see some of it makes it unavoidable NTR even by F95 standards as you explained them. Right?
Anyway yeah the sharing tag should be added either way lol

I don't know about the ntr tag issue-the game skirts the ntr thing in general i think. What it does often is show rape or rape scenarios with a lot detail. The Takamura scene was like that where the scene is shown from the rapists perspective in detail. The train scene was disgusting as well and in general the dev seems to really love non-consensual sex. It's why I gave up on it.
The upcoming Sheila arc will venture pretty close to ntr as she no doubt goes overboard to get the highest job at the cafe so she can literally service more guys sexually. It's about as dumb as it gets storywise. I guess the real problem is how there is no real way to avoid the shit this dev loves so much which seems to be rape and sexual assault and girls dragging you along with their shitty choices. You can only justify so much crap because the Mc had a grudge-personally the MC is a bigger piece of shit than any of the people he is mad at I think.

 

[xZecretX]

Also there are several scenes I can vaguely recall before I stopped playing that even without the Player/MC distinction should grant this an NTR tag but the main one is the train/gangrape scene I mention above. If you choose to try and stop it(Which implies the MC doesn’t like it) you get the bad-end/gangrape but even if you don’t you have to watch fairly graphic sexual assault take place before you can step in. And-follow me here-since the choice exists to stop it that implies there’s a version of the MC who doesn’t enjoy it, I.E there’s NTR, so the fact that you have to see some of it makes it unavoidable NTR even by F95 standards as you explained them. Right?

Oh yeah, forgot about that path fork which never got expanded upon, in that instance where he tries to stop them and fails to prevent it netorare should apply (especially as the option states "I've changed my mind, I won't let them molest Minami"), and usually a single instance is enough for a tag I believe.

I agree completely about that the netori/netorare tags should be distinct. But this whole line of thought also calls into question those distinctions via MC/Player perspective if the game offers no meaningful choice to stop it. I’d argue if the MC is pursuing them sexually they’re arguably a love interest for lack of a better term and since this game, as much as I played anyway, offers either no choices to stop said sharing/NTR(Depending on how you define it) or choices where you see it even if you try to stop it(either from being seen or happening altogether) the tag should be applied-or possibly even also the kinetic tag-because if your choice leads to either a bad end or something you don’t want to see the distinction between MC and player is sort of moot, no?
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Anyway yeah the sharing tag should be added either way lol

Another point is that the player sometimes gets to decide what the MC will do and as a result think, so there can be more instances I guess, one I just remembered is the one where Kaori sleeps on a bench in a public area.

And like we both agree, there simply need to be more tags. It simply is not possible to always sufficiently describe a game simply based on their tags, we would need a bigger variety which might also target some niches so that it is easier to find or avoid certain genres. Especially since we are using the new "Latest Updates" which offers an option to exclude tags.

 

[xZecretX]

The upcoming Sheila arc will venture pretty close to ntr as she no doubt goes overboard to get the highest job at the cafe so she can literally service more guys sexually. It's about as dumb as it gets storywise. I guess the real problem is how there is no real way to avoid the shit this dev loves so much which seems to be rape and sexual assault and girls dragging you along with their shitty choices. You can only justify so much crap because the Mc had a grudge-personally the MC is a bigger piece of shit than any of the people he is mad at I think.

That sounds more like a subjective matter, you judge the dev based on what he likes and you dislike, and the game always indicated that it would offer dark turns, with the clearest indicator being the train scene.

 

[itfod]

I find myself quietly hoping for an update on this game, and more progress with with girls, in particulat Kayane, Kaori, Yoko, Helen and Brooke... hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer.

 

[xZecretX]

I find myself quietly hoping for an update on this game, and more progress with with girls, in particulat Kayane, Kaori, Yoko and Brooke... hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer.

Honestly, the best thing you can do is shelf this game until an update does appear, while progress is being made you shouldn't have too much hope about getting updates anytime soon. It will take time, and with the current trend it takes many months or even a year for updates to appear.

Of course you can be hopeful, and I agree as I would like to see more updates as well, but there is not much you can do other than patiently waiting.

 

[itfod]

Honestly, the best thing you can do is shelf this game until an update does appear, while progress is being made you shouldn't have too much hope about getting updates anytime soon. It will take time, and with the current trend it takes many months or even a year for updates to appear.

Of course you can be hopeful, and I agree as I would like to see more updates as well, but there is not much you can do other than patiently waiting.

Oh, I agree. Just that it's a wonderfully made game, and I enjoy the characters and all the scenes.

 

[Nick Nosferatu]

 

[rulaze]

I really have to wonder what people like about the breast part of that lingerie, it just drives me up a goddamn wall. I cannot fathom how having a split bra like that is any sexier than just removing it. Keep the leggings those are fine but jeez do I dislike when artist go for that split bra look.

 

[TendreConnard]

I really have to wonder what people like about the breast part of that lingerie, it just drives me up a goddamn wall. I cannot fathom how having a split bra like that is any sexier than just removing it. Keep the leggings those are fine but jeez do I dislike when artist go for that split bra look.

It's all about seeing without undressing, nothing more

 

[Hans Rugal Gunsche]

I just freaking woke up. This is some wonderful news. Damn! Finally! Here she is! The bewitching principal!

 

[d_pedestrian]

I really have to wonder what people like about the breast part of that lingerie, it just drives me up a goddamn wall. I cannot fathom how having a split bra like that is any sexier than just removing it. Keep the leggings those are fine but jeez do I dislike when artist go for that split bra look.

 

[warlordactual]

I just freaking woke up. This is some wonderful news. Damn! Finally! Here she is! The bewitching principal!

She's not getting "lewd" scenes unfortunately

 

[Jack1938]

Personally I think a clarification by changing the tag name from "NTR" into "netorare" is long overdue, as well as the addition of a "netori" tag.

I agree completely about that the netori/netorare tags should be distinct

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't cheating tag = netori? Cause I'm yet to see any game with cheating tag that is not about mc fucking someone's girl (ok, in some cases it's just mc cheating on his girl but still). If girl get fucked by someone other than mc then it's always branded as ntr/sharing/swinging.

How come it feels like she got hit by door opening in head?
Feel the same way about Shirohime's preview. Maybe I got some PTSD from that stupid scene in the latest update when mc banged in the wall while checking email on phone and I feel like dev gonna make this shit happen for some reason