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Few months for 2% of the update. If this is not a scam...
- Jul 14, 2017
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No its not.
Numbers go e.g. from 1047 / 1062 (98.6%)
to 1050 / 1064 (98.7%)
This means they find new things to do, while the % do not move much.
- Jun 17, 2019
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It may also be one of the first documented cases of reverse psychology applied to scamming... Every time someone in discord says they hope to play the update soon, the dev comes out and says the update will take more time and asks to rein in expectations. Instead of going radio-silence for weeks or claiming 'the update is around the corner', they post a daily chart that you're free to believe or not, but that explicitly says to anyone with half a functional brain that things are moving slowly. Do you think any potential supporter would chip in just now, having that info? I wouldn't do it. Don't you think a few current supporters choose to stop pledging everytime a message like this comes out? If I were a supporter, I wouldn't be exactly thrilled by it. Devs have lost around 20% of monthly income since the last update's peak, and understandably so, yet the smartasses here keep yelling 'scam' into the pirate void. Oh, well, after reading yesterday that devs might be tax evaders too 'because you gotta have critical thinking', I guess everything is possible.
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I see you cannot forget it, and still protect people who changes rules and update dates. I really don`t understand why another opinion for you cynical. Also, idk what is your benefit protect it? If creator makes REAL content, he will continue make REAL content.
About pirates "void". Pirates "void" have freedom speak and have open mind, on discord server, i am sure, you will ban every person like me, that begin think different and stop be adept that believe his creators.
I am write here this, because i see many good creators, good guys, аor example whom working with 2 works (main and 18+ game develop), or creator that earn 200-300$/per month, and they didn`t complain. They can make really GREAT content, but haven`t support. And also i see game with good budget, without dedline, strange news, changes rules, still looooong working, "support" accounts that protect it. And they don`t stop take money from patrons. Of course it is weird.
Also, when someone ask you something different from your opinion, you just say "half a functional brain" and "Cynical thinking". This is not seriously.
About not pay taxes: 1) Open Interpol website 2) click search 3) write "Spain" there 4) Profit. Watch and you will undertand how much crimes are there, financial too. Who are make a crime? Aliens? And this is civil Evrope. It is for exemle. Stop believe what all people are the Saints.
- Aug 2, 2017
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Is really patreon bought fucking F95! am I fucking dreaming! Holy fuck
Edit: Oh, it's april fools, it got me for a minute lol.
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Edit: Oh, it's april fools, it got me for a minute lol.
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- Jun 17, 2019
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Look. The same right you have to openly criticize devs who don't work according to your standards, I have it to defend them if I consider they aren't doing the things you claim they are doing. I'd also like other devs to be earning way more money than they are getting, and that's why I try to help them by translating the games I like (check the thread in my signature and, apart from WaL and CoBD, you'll find some criminally underrated and underfinanced games), but you won't see me in other succesful games' threads accusing their developers of some wrongdoing without any other proof than some half-assed assumptions -which is all we are seeing here from 'your' side. Of course I'm going to call out that kind of shitty behavior, as harshly as I see fit. Take a look at some users' posting history, they basically only post in here. That's not honest.
You talk about games with deadlines (WaL never had deadlines since 0.3), strange news (having a baby and a surgery are weird news?), changes rules (what rules?), long working periods (that in WaL's case is updated daily so that everyone can extrapolate data when choosing whether support these devs or not, with the dev basically telling people not to expect the update soon so no one can say they are being misled). And yes, they haven't paused pledges. If this is all you can find against them, I think it's a pretty mild offense. But it's OK, it's your choice, and your opinion. Just remember that not believing devs doesn't mean you are right on your assumptions about their evilness, an people are free to contest those assumptions.
About the tax fraud, of course crime exists. There are even worse crimes you could have also mentioned, I guess. But most of people here in Spain and in most other countries aren't vicious criminals nor tax evaders, so the 'logical' thing to do would be assuming these devs aren't either. If you are so distrustful of strangers to even mention that possibility in a game's thread, totally out of the blue, I think there's no need to further comment on it. That's cynical.
Finally, since I saw many people interested in the last few days, I wouldn't ban anyone in Discord because I don't have that power (in that server, only devs can ban users). My job there is just offering help to people who experience issues with the game and remember them about the server rules when posting content or talking to each other. In the few cases someone comes in criticizing the game or complaining about the lack of updates, all we mods can do is to replicate the same info you can find here, which is the info shared by the devs. Everyone can join in and see for themselves, you included. Of course, I can not assure you won't be banned by the devs if you come in implying they are liars, slackers or even tax evaders.
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He is disgusted with his work?
does this mean he hates the game or he hates the code?
- Apr 22, 2019
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If that was real, then every message would have been behind a paywall lol
The previous year with the reaction score dropping gradually to 0 was top class.
Sooooo... as long as the numbers increase, that 2% can require months, if not years? The final 2% can take longer than the initial 90%.
Yep, sounds like a scam. "Oh, this month i don't want to work. I will increase the numbers and still collect patreon money. Maybe i'll work next month".
I was joking. A guy said this update was taking so long because the dev is disgusted by the idea of feeding his children with money acquired thanks to porn.
First of all, I must say I love this game. I really do, and I have supported it in the past for little over one year. When the authors announced, they want to do relatively frequent updates (about every 3 months or so), it seemed like a reasonable approach. They however changed that somewhere after v0.4 and since then it is going really south.
The frequency of updates has steadily declined (3months -> 5months -> 7months -> 10months -> 20monts (still unreleased))
And while I do understand, that sh*t can happen, the speed of development does not seem reasonable at all. I have a feeling, they have fallen into the same trap like Summertime Saga, which has so called "tech update" under work for years now.
I really think that when some game gains enough supporters, the goal of the devs and the patrons actually become opposite. Patrons want the great game continuation and devs want the chicken to lay the golden eggs as long as possible, i.e. they have zero motivation to quickly deliver. This is why there is so few finished great games.
Really sad, that this has happened to this game as well..
The frequency of updates has steadily declined (3months -> 5months -> 7months -> 10months -> 20monts (still unreleased))
And while I do understand, that sh*t can happen, the speed of development does not seem reasonable at all. I have a feeling, they have fallen into the same trap like Summertime Saga, which has so called "tech update" under work for years now.
I really think that when some game gains enough supporters, the goal of the devs and the patrons actually become opposite. Patrons want the great game continuation and devs want the chicken to lay the golden eggs as long as possible, i.e. they have zero motivation to quickly deliver. This is why there is so few finished great games.
Really sad, that this has happened to this game as well..
- Aug 1, 2022
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Normal patreon milking is going 6-12 months without a update,19 months that is going to turn to 20+ soon is just obscene...
- Jun 5, 2021
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With a Summers Gone sig you should be used to this lol
Best reason for the supporters to pay the developer per update and not monthly.
Is the developer delivering the goods? Yes! Brilliant, here's some money for your work, thank you; No update? Too bad, no cash for you...
- Jul 14, 2017
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And if the dev dont do that: there is a possibility very close to that.
I stopped to support some devs on Patreon lately, and I was asked if I want to stay as a "non-paying-member". I clicked "Yes".
Like that I get all the news about updates and progress, and when I want to support again, I do so.
When I cancel, I choose: "I wanted to support only with a certain amount of money, and now I did so".
Everyone has his responsibility about his own decisions.
No one is forced to be someone who is "milked".
Those who want to support, support. That easy.
(I supported a dev who did not deliver for about 2 years - for certain reasons. Since I have gotten so much from them in the past, I gladly wanted them to "survive" - although it was just 1€, but I wanted to set a sign).
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