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Black Orchid

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They're kind of raising a kid. You know, those smaller humans who are usually running around all the time. And the people who weren't happy with them not putting out an update have already cancelled their subscription. Those that haven't are spending their money recklessly, which ofc you're free to do as an adult responsible for your own actions.
Btw, Pis refunded everyone that subbed for the early access. Just saying.
Oh, and the game itself is free. Completely free.
this is a tired argument. this is their full time job as they stated themselves. maternity/paternity leaves in spain span from 16 weeks to 20 weeks, that translates to roughly ~4.6 months. there has been 0 new content for over 2 years. you are trying to excuse something that is literally inexcusable in ANY other line of work. let's say (hypothetically) that you employ a brick layer to lay 1000 bricks a day, he only lays 100 instead for TWO WHOLE YEARS and his excuse is "well i just had a child". would you say that is ok? i think the answer is obvious. you are defending people who clearly don't respect you (the customer), if they did, they would probably care to release ANYTHING in the last 2+ years.
 

CobraQuebec

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They're kind of raising a kid. You know, those smaller humans who are usually running around all the time. And the people who weren't happy with them not putting out an update have already cancelled their subscription. Those that haven't are spending their money recklessly, which ofc you're free to do as an adult responsible for your own actions.
Btw, Pis refunded everyone that subbed for the early access. Just saying.
Oh, and the game itself is free. Completely free.
I got a kid two years ago and I am still pulling 60hr/week constantly for my job and maam too for a while, this is a shit excuse.
 

moskyx

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Usually I wouldn't agree with you, but 2 and a half years without any content when you make more the 10k per month really is a joke at this point.
More than 6000 persons gave money almost 36 months in a row without having anything in return.
Check your sources. Fortunately they never hid their numbers and we can easily take a look at them at

As it happens, they never got 10k per month, not even at their peak (9.9k, Oct 25, 2021). And their number of subscribers never went beyond 2.3k and currently sits at 1.6k, so that's the max number of persons who could have been actually paying 'for nothing' during the last 28 months in a row (the time actually passed since the last update) -and obviously they are less than that, as every month there's some people coming and going. In the last 12 months they've lost 250 subscribers that never got replaced, and they are currently earning 1.5k less per month than exactly a year ago (or 21% less, if you prefer) and 3.5k less than at their peak (or 36% less). They are now cashing in 6.4k gross per month, which translates into roughly 4k per month at most once you detract Patreon's cut and taxes, and is way less than your claimed 10k unless you're using some obscure currency instead of dollars or euros.

You can still feel the same about it but at least don't try to fool people (and yourself) with false, invented data. Being a developer yourself, that's pretty mean and even counterproductive. Who is gonna believe you if/when you'd need to explain your own shortcomings, if you're proven to have lied in other instances like that?
 
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Check your sources. Fortunately they never hid their numbers and we can easily take a look at them at

As it happens, they never got 10k per month, not even at their peak (9.9k, Oct 25, 2021). And their number of subscribers never went beyond 2.3k and currently sits at 1.6k, so that's the max number of persons who could have been actually paying 'for nothing' during the last 28 months in a row (the time actually passed since the last update) -and obviously they are less than that, as every month there's some people coming and going. In the last 12 months they've lost 250 subscribers that never got replaced, and they are currently earning 1.5k less per month than exactly a year ago (or 21% less, if you prefer) and 3.5k less than at their peak (or 36% less). They are now cashing in 6.4k gross per month, which translates into roughly 4k per month at most once you detract Patreon's cut and taxes, and is way less than your claimed 10k unless you're using some obscure currency instead of dollars or euros.

You can still feel the same about it but at least don't try to fool people (and yourself) with false, invented data. Being a developer yourself, that's pretty mean and even counterproductive. Who is gonna believe you if/when you'd need to explain your own shortcomings, if you're proven to have lied in other instances like that?
Still smells like bullshit
 

Vinkawa

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Check your sources. Fortunately they never hid their numbers and we can easily take a look at them at

As it happens, they never got 10k per month, not even at their peak (9.9k, Oct 25, 2021). And their number of subscribers never went beyond 2.3k and currently sits at 1.6k, so that's the max number of persons who could have been actually paying 'for nothing' during the last 28 months in a row (the time actually passed since the last update) -and obviously they are less than that, as every month there's some people coming and going. In the last 12 months they've lost 250 subscribers that never got replaced, and they are currently earning 1.5k less per month than exactly a year ago (or 21% less, if you prefer) and 3.5k less than at their peak (or 36% less). They are now cashing in 6.4k gross per month, which translates into roughly 4k per month at most once you detract Patreon's cut and taxes, and is way less than your claimed 10k unless you're using some obscure currency instead of dollars or euros.

You can still feel the same about it but at least don't try to fool people (and yourself) with false, invented data. Being a developer yourself, that's pretty mean and even counterproductive. Who is gonna believe you if/when you'd need to explain your own shortcomings, if you're proven to have lied in other instances like that?
You write me a whole paragraph with shitton of calculations and literally forget about Itch and Steam income.
Also, being a developper doesn't prevent me from showing my frustration of this 2 years and a half break, being among the first supporters of this game.
If you think we should stop sharing our opinions on threads as soon as we get the developer badge, you're fooling yourself.
 
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MagLev

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You write me a whole paragraph with shitton of calculations and literally forget about Itch and Steam income.
It's not even out on Steam yet and it's free on Itch.

I don't think you or anyone should not be "allowed" to come here and criticize the devs for the delays, personally. But holy shit who cares ! They're not forcing anyone to back them and complaints on a pirate site aren't gonna change shit anyway, what's the point of having page after page of this pointless "is it a scam" debate?
 

Finuee

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... what's this ...
The evolution over time of the reports they post of tasks done and tasks left, with difference between them so you can also see the evolution of tasks left (which I personally think is the proper metric to judge progress).
 
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moskyx

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You write me a whole paragraph with shitton of calculations and literally forget about Itch and Steam income.
Also, being a developper doesn't prevent me from showing my frustration of this 2 years and a half break, being among the first supporters of this game.
If you think we should stop sharing our opinions on threads as soon as we get the developer badge, you're fooling yourself.
I'm just saying get your facts right. As a dev, you'll face similar, hyperbolic accussations sooner or later and this kind of baseless posts may backfire if you ever try to defend yourself from those comments. But of course you do you.
 
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Anodino Vandalo

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Usually I wouldn't agree with you, but 2 and a half years without any content when you make more the 10k per month really is a joke at this point.
More than 6000 persons gave money almost 36 months in a row without having anything in return.
But that's not how patreon work. This game is, for now , free and they actualised their patreons with artworks or upgrades of their work. If you want to play the patreon version, you could do it purchasing the tier when it's released, you don't need to continues support them if you don't want to.
 
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Vinkawa

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But that's not how patreon work. This game is, for now , free and they actualised their patreons with artworks or upgrades of their work. If you want to play the patreon version, you could do it purchasing the tier when it's released, you don't need to continues support them if you don't want to.
That's how it works in my opinion.
Most of games have a public release after the Patreon one, and I was not expecting no new update for the next 2 years.
I'm not paying for previews during 2 whole years.
So yeah, following your last advise, I've already unsubscribed long time ago.
 

DemiMaximoff

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I'm starting to feel that a lot of you want the developers to be scammers who deceive people, and the supporters to be mindless drones who get deceived by the evil developer and keep paying. That way, there's an easy target to pit the frustration and anger on.

But then you're given proof of what's going on. The devs openly admit where they messed up. The people who still support them do so because of they trust that candor, and decide to take the risk. Most importantly, devs do suffer direct consequences for the delay by losing patrons.

But that doesn't feel as satisfying as the "evil dev milks idiot supporter" image you made up in your head, so you just ignore the official statement from the dev's mouth, and the completely valid analysis of their diminishing earnings, and continue with the usual accusations
 
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