Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.05] [MagicNuts]

[Ataman87]

i don't understand why those game come with satisfying content in their first months, like multiple characters, scenes, locations, and then they stop and only update once a year or less, with limited content. Is it just to milk patreon money? I don't understand how it can take so long for one path on one character, when they already did 5-10 characters. Did they take 10 years to release their first version?

You don't really ?! Its a standard with this economical mode - per month donations. You put out content until you hook enough people to support you. Then lay back and do just enough content so the pay check doesn't run dry. If the support start to dry up you can bet your ass the updates will come out faster. 90 % devs are like this. And its natural why put more work when you can put less when the money are still the same. In this game's case the is not reduction in donations , hence no hurry to do work.

 

[SisterFucker3099]

You don't really ?! Its a standard with this economical mode - per month donations. You put out content until you hook enough people to support you. Then lay back and do just enough content so the pay check doesn't run dry. If the support start to dry up you can bet your ass the updates will come out faster. 90 % devs are like this. And its natural why put more work when you can put less when the money are still the same. In this game's case the is not reduction in donations , hence no hurry to do work.

Standard, if you pay someone for a result, they will do it directly and work for it. If you pay people a small amount every month, they will relax...

Having said that, often also the case, dev has a nice idea, puts it out, and then doesn't know how to continue or finish the story. We all have nice ideas, but try to write it down, then you see you are missing a lot. And if you don't, you got talent, and can make something from it.

We can't say for sure with this one, but it's the usual, sickness, getting a kid, burn out, depression, and other personal problems, and such. Delaying development and such. I got a number of them in my own life. So I can't blame them. Losing your mojo doesn't help either. Sometimes you just sit back doing nothing, in the hope you get some inspiration, but it doesn't come, and before you know it, a year is past. Or in some cases, 10 years passed...

We can only hope it will continue, and unfortunately that takes time...

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Honestly, I knew production would slow down when the devs said they just had a child. To the people who don't know what that is like-- that is essentially telling everyone that you decided to take another fulltime job on top of the production. It's exhausting and endless and there is probably going to result in updates doubling in time frames. This game is nice, but I wouldn't expect it to be a consistent source of content anymore. They made their choice and we should respect that.

Yeah. The very idea of telling someone to not have a child to continue their work is obviously dystopian and comically idiotic. In this specific circumstance however, if a 2 man wife-husband combo has a kid, that project is very obviously going to shit. You just can't. Literally can't.

I obviously respect the decision, parenthood is awesome and all. And if patrons continue to support despite all that, sure. That's their decision. The game is free anyway.

But it just, somehow does not sit right with me on some level. Patreon isn't really a bought service, it's a ""donation"", sure. And the devs were fully clear about what was happening. These are all the justifications.

STILL, it feels like the devs in the back of their minds if not consciously so relied on the patrons being overly generous to take the path they did, which is what I find unethical. I'm convinced that they knew they could just simply not release shit for a while and just be fine, F95 is a big place. They have a thousand examples to see.

Cool, I guess. I know many parents that have 0 time for their child. They will be one of the very few that will have the time to look after their kid. I just don't think they were entirely well intentioned in the way they went about it.

 

[bingolebongo]

An additional reason I seldom see mentioned is that new developers are eager to get something out really quickly, even if it's just a prologue or a proof of concept. If there's enough interest, they might start developing "proper" episodes. And that takes more time, obviously. Then, as they try something that takes more time and effort, and that also gets well received, they'll want to do even more next update - and so on.

I think this is a fairly natural tendency for most developers, actually - the trend is fairly common for cashgrabbers and really productive devs alike.

 

[SisterFucker3099]

An additional reason I seldom see mentioned is that new developers are eager to get something out really quickly, even if it's just a prologue or a proof of concept. If there's enough interest, they might start developing "proper" episodes. And that takes more time, obviously. Then, as they try something that takes more time and effort, and that also gets well received, they'll want to do even more next update - and so on.

I think this is a fairly natural tendency for most developers, actually - the trend is fairly common for cashgrabbers and really productive devs alike.

I also have many ideas, when I read certain stories, I get new ideas, but the amount of extra effort to make a story good, prevents my ideas from ever becoming a finished product.

I wish I had more insight into the minds of those 2 devs here, seeing the layout map, which is really big, I would suggest they already laid out in broad terms, which and how many girls and what there powers would be. Of course you still need time, to come up with some puzzles and graphics.

It's at least a lot better, than some games like summer's gone, where the developer spends months improving old chapters because he wasn't really happy with the result. Of course it's nice, but we don't get to see any real new content, more people put out negative reviews, the dev will probably never finish the product in the end...

 

[TheDevian]

I also have many ideas, when I read certain stories, I get new ideas, but the amount of extra effort to make a story good, prevents my ideas from ever becoming a finished product.

I wish I had more insight into the minds of those 2 devs here, seeing the layout map, which is really big, I would suggest they already laid out in broad terms, which and how many girls and what there powers would be. Of course you still need time, to come up with some puzzles and graphics.

I just don't know how they could be more open. They already give you a progress chart, and a weekly log, of what they did, and what they plan to do the next week. They are basically the most transparent devs I have ever seen here.

 

[Nightguy1]

Cant really blame the devs I guess they took the risk and now get the reward. They can make money and make time for all their personal obligations before work its a great spot to be in for them but that means this project is now beyond any reasonable expectations for completion.

 

[moskyx]

I just don't know how they could be more open. They already give you a progress chart, and a weekly log, of what they did, and what they plan to do the next week. They are basically the most transparent devs I have ever seen here.

People would need a 24h live feed from their home to watch them work (and take care of their children) to assess their efficiency and work rate, and even then someone would say they are the ultimate milkers because they were slacking last Tuesday's evening. It's a lost case anyway.

 

[SisterFucker3099]

I just don't know how they could be more open. They already give you a progress chart, and a weekly log, of what they did, and what they plan to do the next week. They are basically the most transparent devs I have ever seen here.

I'm not saying anything bad about them. That's not what I was asking for either. I read what they are doing. And follow it. I meant, I was looking for the story about the world they created, the preparation before they started making this game. In their patreon, I found all the polls they held for every character, like what she should blowjob/handjob, and how she should look, shaved, this that.

I mean the story before, how it got started. I remember reading something as a thank you to the community for all the fun games they played.

But I was looking for the story about how they created the world before the first quest.

 

[Ataman87]

There are ofc the other 10 % of devs who actually place deadlines on their own work. Like Desiresfm. If the dude does meet a deadline he freezes miking until he puts out some content. Much rather pay people like him. And having a child is not an excuse. Many people have families and other obligations in their lives , but doesn't men they stop working now do they ?

 

[TheDevian]

I'm not saying anything bad about them. That's not what I was asking for either. I read what they are doing. And follow it. I meant, I was looking for the story about the world they created, the preparation before they started making this game. In their patreon, I found all the polls they held for every character, like what she should blowjob/handjob, and how she should look, shaved, this that.

I mean the story before, how it got started. I remember reading something as a thank you to the community for all the fun games they played.

But I was looking for the story about how they created the world before the first quest.

Got ya, yeah. I love stuff like that too. World building, both inside and out, is really interesting to me, but I am a world builder, so... XD

 

[bingolebongo]

There are ofc the other 10 % of devs who actually place deadlines on their own work. Like Desiresfm. If the dude does meet a deadline he freezes miking until he puts out some content. Much rather pay people like him. And having a child is not an excuse. Many people have families and other obligations in their lives , but doesn't men they stop working now do they ?

These devs routinely refund people who think the update takes too much time.

"having a child is not an excuse"

Yes, yes it is. In fact, it's an excellent excuse. Being pregnant, giving birth, nursing and taking care of a baby (plus another child) takes a serious toll on most people's productivity. I think you may be confusing "having" a child as in "becoming a parent" with "having" a child as in "being a parent". The first few years of a child's life is normally significantly harder on the parents' work-life balance than the ones after that.

"doesn't men they stop working now do they ?"

Correct! They haven't stopped working.

 

[Kirel]

Pistachio was also literally working from his hospital bed while he was having his leg fixed (twice). Anyone who thinks these devs are milking or are not taking development seriously are very, very wrong.

 

[shadowtempered]

There are ofc the other 10 % of devs who actually place deadlines on their own work. Like Desiresfm. If the dude does meet a deadline he freezes miking until he puts out some content. Much rather pay people like him. And having a child is not an excuse.

Well, most countries in Europe and even America would disagree. They provide maternity leave, letting the parents focus on the child during/after birth for weeks and even months at a time. So while having a child may not be an excuse to you as a form of dev interruption, there is a solid argument against that belief.

Many people have families and other obligations in their lives , but doesn't men they stop working now do they ?

And on a personal note: I had a death in the family. I literally stopped working, for weeks, to process. We're not all built like you, apparently.

 

[ogapetape]

Why? While this does seem like it will be bigger than any other, even if it is not, they have been more then clear about why this one is taking longer. I know a lot of devs, and I don't know many who are more upfront and consistent communicators than they are.

Because they've told us multiple times that the update is bigger than the rest? I keep up with communication.

 

[TheDevian]

Because they've told us multiple times that the update is bigger than the rest? I keep up with communication.

And according to the numbers, it is. If you are keeping up with it, you would know that. Just look at the chart.

 

[AtonementDev]

so. hypothetically. lets say hypothetically taht hypthetically if got an soft cylinder aproximately 3 inches long stuck in a hard tube and it is attatched to a largerobjecgt how would i stroke the cylinder to make it feel good

 

[TheDevian]

so. hypothetically. lets say hypothetically taht hypthetically if got an soft cylinder aproximately 3 inches long stuck in a hard tube and it is attatched to a largerobjecgt how would i stroke the cylinder to make it feel good

 

[arkopand]

devs have some questions to answer

lmao

 

[walker188]

i don't understand why those game come with satisfying content in their first months, like multiple characters, scenes, locations, and then they stop and only update once a year or less, with limited content. Is it just to milk patreon money? I don't understand how it can take so long for one path on one character, when they already did 5-10 characters. Did they take 10 years to release their first version?

This is actually pretty common with all series across all forms of art.

When you first have an idea, its all consuming passionate, like fucking someone you really like for the first time. However, each subsequent fuck must be BETTER or BIGGER than the previous (this is why films in series must 'raise the stakes' or 'change the locale' in sequels, otherwise you'll get bored). Add to that, in a direct sequel (which is what each chapter is, vs an anthology like say the Predator series of films) must BUILD on what came before. So while the first entry you could literally do anything, the next entry you must build with what you already have, which is harder. Add to that how time works. Successful people generally have the most free time in early life, then hit a crunch from 30-60 where they have less and less. Work, asset management, kids and things suck up all peoples free hours.

Now I'm not saying that's what happens here. People in general give a little too much slack to this particular Dev because they like their story and they approve of the personal life of the Dev. I personally think its rather sad that in a game this large, with this slow a dev cycle, we'll never even see Lana again for a decade, except for Lady Mad's chapter. Buuuuut, the game is also released for free and in my experience its never the paying customers who bitch about the Devs being 'milkers' and how the patreons are idiots getting scammed. It's almost always the thieves who do this. So take that as you will.