axelxz

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Sometimes I feel like CountMorado, and I don't really want to.
But this thing has been explained a thousand times along the thread, and the trolls, the lazy ones, and the ones who want to see the world burn keep throwing knives over and over and over.

We all know why the game is getting late, but both devs are/were/had been crystal clear from the beggining. Even with the polishing phase, they said TWICE that it was gonna take a few months minimum.

Now, I really want to ask you all who are fed up and always raging the thread with all this nonsensical comments:
Why do you continue to treat honest, hard-working developers like this?
There is hardly a single game that is as transparent, as consistent and as professionalized as What a Legend on the entire forum.

They're taking their time and you're really pissed off, understandably.
But it's a shame that the transparency these two work with is so vilified and they finally choose to remove the progress bar and end up working like most developers on this site.
Really, it would be a truly shame
Shouldn't they have obligations to the community? most likely not, most likely they don't care, we're just stalling, telling you that we'll update this one day. beautiful. What professionalism?
If the game were ready, I would agree with you. However, at the moment, it's a never-ending story on the brink of crisis, failure and fiasco. All living stones, whales and amoebas are crossing their fingers in the hope that the counter will not be updated by another 10 points and that the "development" will not postpone the progress for another six months of waiting
 
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moskyx

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Shouldn't they have obligations to the community? most likely not, most likely they don't care, we're just stalling, telling you that we'll update this one day. beautiful. What professionalism?
If the game were ready, I would agree with you. However, at the moment, it's a never-ending story on the brink of crisis, failure and fiasco. All living stones, whales and amoebas are crossing their fingers in the hope that the counter will not be updated by another 10 points and that the "development" will not postpone the progress for another six months of waiting
They have obligations to the community, for sure. And those obligations are staying truth to the Patreon benefits they promised, and being as transparent as possible about their work so that people can make an informed decision on whether support them or not. And I'd say they are doing a good job on that regard: every patron is getting their respective Patreon benefits for their money (Discord access, weekly reports, spoilery art and WIPs, voting rights, and they'll eventually get the update 24h earlier than its public release), and if devs decide to 'postpone' the progress as you say, adding 10 more tasks to the counter, we'll know it the very next day thanks to the progress tracker, the same way we got critical info about the reasons for this slower progress. By the way, they haven't said 'we'll update this one day'. That would be leading on people if they couldn't meet that deadline. Their more accurate public deadline has been 'we're still a few months away' when the polishing phase began. So at least use these devs actual behavior when raising your concerns.

Now please tell us what other obligations you think they have or should have.
 

axelxz

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They have obligations to the community, for sure. And those obligations are staying truth to the Patreon benefits they promised, and being as transparent as possible about their work so that people can make an informed decision on whether support them or not. And I'd say they are doing a good job on that regard: every patron is getting their respective Patreon benefits for their money (Discord access, weekly reports, spoilery art and WIPs, voting rights, and they'll eventually get the update 24h earlier than its public release), and if devs decide to 'postpone' the progress as you say, adding 10 more tasks to the counter, we'll know it the very next day thanks to the progress tracker, the same way we got critical info about the reasons for this slower progress. By the way, they haven't said 'we'll update this one day'. That would be leading on people if they couldn't meet that deadline. Their more accurate public deadline has been 'we're still a few months away' when the polishing phase began. So at least use these devs actual behavior when raising your concerns.

Now please tell us what other obligations you think they have or should have.
This is simply an excellent breeding of whales.

do you like to "eat noodles" every week?
 

mathluccas

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and people like you crying about it here making this game more popular, probably you are working hard than the devs either :sneaky:
anyway, the thread looks like milfy city 2.0 for me
You're right, it looks exactly like the milfy city thread. A dev giving excuses every week on why the update is not ready and a bunch of idiot simps (like you) defending them for free! Simping for porn game devs is a whole new level of pathetic, but don't let me stop you, keep going!
 

St. Nix

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You're right, it looks exactly like the milfy city thread. A dev giving excuses every week on why the update is not ready and a bunch of idiot simps (like you) defending them for free! Simping for porn game devs is a whole new level of pathetic, but don't let me stop you, keep going!
Who the fuck defending Milfy City, lol.
 

RainGres

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I don't really understand the hate toward the progress tracker. How it works? Well, it's explained in the faq section: they plan in advance how many 'tasks' (an arbitrary measure of their work, based on their experience) would be needed to complete the update, and then they keep updating their progress, adding on a daily basis both the tasks they've completed and the new tasks they've realize would be needed too, on top of the original ones. But you don't really need to understand it or even believe that those numbers reflect their actual work, all that matters is that you can see they are saying they still have around 100 tasks to do and they advance at 2-4 tasks per day. Now, if people can't grasp these basic maths and have 'toxic expectations' when it's obvious that the pace is this slow, at least don't blame the progress tracker. Toxic expectations would arise if devs were saying totally esotheric things like 'we are getting there', as no one could really know where 'there' is and how fast we are 'getting' there. But that's not what's happening with WaL. Asking devs to remove this tracker would mean giving everyone a free pass to go even wilder with their personal assumptions, which wouldn't benefit anyone.
I thought I deleted the comment? Anyway, agree to disagree. Anyway I think the thread should be lock, it isnt discussing anything but is just hating on the patreon business model. I don't care if Patreon is le bad, I'm not paying for anything anyway. If people are just jelly that Dev is making 3k a month each just create your own patreon scam like jesus.
 

Kalimbaba

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Again this word "milking".
When there are no ppl who get milked, then there is no milking.
Who WANT to pay are not milked (otherwise they would leave).
Who does not want to pay is not milked.

So no milked ones - no milking.
Mb, forgot the anymore on "i don't support them on patreon anymore* for this particular reason"
Milking is not a bad word, it's just the way i felt (and many others) and that's why i canceled my more than a year support cuz i felt like i was indeed being being milked. Your logic is so broken my dude.
 

moskyx

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I thought I deleted the comment? Anyway, agree to disagree. Anyway I think the thread should be lock, it isnt discussing anything but is just hating on the patreon business model. I don't care if Patreon is le bad, I'm not paying for anything anyway. If people are just jelly that Dev is making 3k a month each just create your own patreon scam like jesus.
I wasn't talking about Patreon model, I only answered your questions about how the progress tracker works and why deleting it as you suggested would actually help to increase the toxic expectations you mentioned. Peace
 

axelxz

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I wasn't talking about Patreon model, I only answered your questions about how the progress tracker works and why deleting it as you suggested would actually help to increase the toxic expectations you mentioned. Peace
if a couple of big pieces of meat appear in the game every 2 months, who's going to kick their ass??
 
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len00

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I thought I deleted the comment? Anyway, agree to disagree. Anyway I think the thread should be lock, it isnt discussing anything but is just hating on the patreon business model. I don't care if Patreon is le bad, I'm not paying for anything anyway. If people are just jelly that Dev is making 3k a month each just create your own patreon scam like jesus.
"Don't be jealous or badmouth somebody scamming people, just scam them yourself" is crazy
 

RainGres

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"Don't be jealous or badmouth somebody scamming people, just scam them yourself" is crazy
I have my own values, if people found a way to get easy money good for them, they aren't making people bankrupt anyway. At the end of the day it's free produce for the majority, if the minority want to whale who give a shit? I'm just enjoying the end product.
 
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RainGres

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I wasn't talking about Patreon model, I only answered your questions about how the progress tracker works and why deleting it as you suggested would actually help to increase the toxic expectations you mentioned. Peace
I'm to lazy to double quote your other comment and again agree to disagree.
 

Rolo

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Mb, forgot the anymore on "i don't support them on patreon anymore* for this particular reason"
Milking is not a bad word, it's just the way i felt (and many others) and that's why i canceled my more than a year support cuz i felt like i was indeed being being milked. Your logic is so broken my dude.
No broken logic impo.
You felt to cancel coz otherwise you would feel milked. Thats logical and just fine.

I did the same, but I never felt milked. I canceled coz there were other projects I prefered at that moment.
My budget is extremely limited, and I gave the devs of WaL the amount I wanted to give. And I felt totally ok with that.
 

DemiMaximoff

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No broken logic impo.
You felt to cancel coz otherwise you would feel milked. Thats logical and just fine.

I did the same, but I never felt milked. I canceled coz there were other projects I prefered at that moment.
My budget is extremely limited, and I gave the devs of WaL the amount I wanted to give. And I felt totally ok with that.
Keep it simple, you both just ran out of milk
 

wowlol_

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This game feels like a very lifelike variant of porn 'course project', when a small team of students both suck at planing beforehand, breaking down the process into the small stages, compromise the data and ammount of information given in each part and in each go at the writing of it. As a student, it's rather entertaining and daunting to watch my own mistakes being repeated on such a scale. I love 'What a legend', the story is simplistic, adding its own charm to it, the open devs, that are talking to the audience and easy to understand, the graphics, showing affection for their own project. Yet, there are so many flaws with the process of creating it that I can't just forget and forgive.
To start with the obvious, the wait is getting out of controll. 2 Years is a long fucking wait for an update, even a major one, of one of the characters. Yes, shit happened, the surgery went alright, the baby was born and it could be seen earlier in the thread that a community, that is being called toxic and demanding has a heart (or at least some basic emotion spectre). I would like to say that I understand that being pregnant is not a groundbreaking way of accumulating productivity and will to work on a side passion project, but that's a biological barrier that makes me really appreciate and honor the working women/mothers even more. I understand that a recreational period after the major surgery prevents both phisically and mentally from event wanting to work on something. Yet, let's say all in all it took 1-1,5 year of life in total away from the devs' lives, besides that having children hinders the ability to work, that's life, sucks for the product, but I am happy for both the parents and the kid. That means one of two things. Either the update that we all expect to be if not collossal, but at least the biggest one yet, will be worth 6-12 months of work (which is not that major in terms of 2d art, storytelling and polishing), or it is all a game of play-pretend with trying to meet deadlines (which I personally don't believe, but the life tells me otherwise as many times as I believe otherwise). Both of this versions sucks for some reasons or another, so yeah, not even sure, how to conclude this argument.
The second thing, that concerns me is the pre-planning of the update. I remember, that patrons voted for the longer work time for the bigger update, part of the community respected this approach, I did the same. There are so many games on the platform that keep up with this practice, and even when they fuck up the timings it is fine in the grand scheme of things (ex.: Eternum, City of Broken Dreamers, Ripples, Summer Heat, Summer's Gone). Yet, most of them have a strict plan of content way ahead of time. This game feels like it doesn't. If speaking in terms of 'course paper' again, it sounds like students took the topic they liked without researching and planning ahead, fucked up the deadline, got away with it and crunching like a fucking Naughty Dog action animator 3 months before the release, adding another 3000 animations of reloading. If you want to release an update about 1 character, that is not introduced before and about whom community doesn't really care about, doing the full blown continuous arc about him is pointless. Do a shorter version, build connections and then poll the idea of a slow-burn of a character development. And if you'd like to do a bigger one, do that to expand several arcs, do something complicated story-wise, surprise the community with an interaction between love-interests other than 'oh, I know her, coooool... yeah, back to the 'gue collection''. And I'm not even talking about having a plan for an unexpected events happening, a fail-safe if you'd like, something. Being crystal clear with the public works, but in ordre not to fuck that up either show something you talk about (which is often a pretty impossible thing) or deliever.
Two last things that either bugged or humoured me. First, adding things on the go works when doing presentations, school papers, etc., not with a complex and well-structured project. If you think it doesn't wok - sure, go change it. If you have already postponed the game so much, it is calles a 'What a legend: 2077' - you do something wrong. Poorly made parts highlight the amazingly written/drawn ones, and this game shows it can do great if needed. Second - comments about milking and being a cuck. For spammers, people, come on, it's a second year already. All the cool trolls moved on to comething new and funnier. You can e creative, I am all for a good joke. But yeah, if you are still subscribed to a patreon, good for you, you have the money needed and you support the people you believe in. If you are not a patreon - good for you, use your money on something else that brings you joy. You do you. I am too fucking poor/unemployed/curmudgeon for this. So stop the talking shit to each other already. OR make it funnier. Panem et circenses.
This post is a long-fucking-read, I am sorry, never liked tweeter. I was and still am passionate about this game, it has an amazing ability of telling a nice, childish, epic and soothing story while being an excelent fap-material, which is rare. I hope the devs working hard and honest and are not taking any offence to my words and other commentaries, as I believe we want this game as much good as they do too. Thanks everyone and anyone for reading this, have a good time, I'm off to explore this world some more.
Edit: typo.
 
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