what is the deal with sleep sex ?

3DReaver

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Sleep sex is the most baffling fetish tbh. I just don't understand the appeal. Its rape but it doesn't have the power fantasy aspects of rape. Its just a coward sneaking about. Its straight up boring.

- girl doesn't react, dead fish syndrome
- the MC usually lacks any self awareness that he is in fact a rapist,
-its stupid because i don't believe its possible to stick your dick into someone and not have them wake up unless they are passed out from something or have some sort of medical condition

So explain to me the appeal of it and why half the games have it.
 
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Maybe ppl like rapey sex because of different reasons. For you, it might be the power fantasy aspects, for others maybe they just like inflicting pain (those will likely like the torture fetish too).

For the sleep sex, I think they must find arousing to sexually take advantage of someone or they find amusing to be able to have sex with someone that would never accept if they had the choice. There's also the danger of her waking up (risky sex seems to arouse a lot of ppl)
 
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You've obviously never snuck into your parent's room at 2 in the morning to steal a porno, bring it into the living room TV, put the volume at 1, and have a quick wank with one eye glued to the TV and the other glued to the hallway. Same feeling I get when I'm sleep fucking a girl in a game. It's the fear and the thrill of being caught doing something you're not supposed to that makes it hot.
 

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It's a fetish like many others. Why do you feel the need to understand it? People have it, you don't, move on.
I don't know if this is what the OP is doing, but from a dev perspective I will frequently dig into an unfamiliar fetish and try to figure out what's appealing about it so I can try to create scenes that include it. For my dev style at least though, I need to be able to immerse myself in each character and really understand what it is about that fetish that makes it work or my scene won't turn out well. So if I can find some sort of hook involving that fetish that does appeal to me then I'll take a stab at it but if I can't then I won't do it. Foot fetish is an example of something I've tried this with, failed to find anything I can use, and given up on. To me it's like rubbing someone's junk with your elbow or something. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Sleep sex doesn't appeal to me either, but I've found ways to tweak it a little bit and transform it into something that IS appealing to me. In my case I need the target to wake up before things get too ridiculous and willingly go along with it. For this to work, the target needs to already like them well enough to be ok with some hanky panky when they're awake. Molesting someone unresponsive just doesn't do it for me.
 

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It's taboo, it's sexual, it's something different

It's also one of those things people complain about and is no where near as common as people claim.
 

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usually it's about the fear of getting caught and/or voyerism. (the corollary of this being that it should NOT be too easy and it should NOT be without risk. if the girl is fine waking up in the middle of it, there was no risk. you weren't in danger of getting caught and it doesn't work.)

for some, I imagine it might also be some kind of control fetish, specifically the ones who like the dead fish aspect. but for everybody else it's about the fear of getting caught.

I highly doubt it's a rape fantasy for anyone, precisely because it lacks the rape power aspects. if it were a rape fantasy you'd wake up the sleeper first.

edit: on second thought, the rape fantasy DOES exist. in the literotica story world it's very common that you do things to your sleeping sister, stick it in, she wakes up, you pin her down and cum inside her. straight rape. but it seems very rare in VNs, I don't remember any off the bat.

the fact that it's rape in real life has nothing to do with it. the fantasy is not that fucking a sleeper is raping, the fantasy is that it's NOT raping someone.
 
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Sleep sex doesn't appeal to me either, but I've found ways to tweak it a little bit and transform it into something that IS appealing to me. In my case I need the target to wake up before things get too ridiculous and willingly go along with it. For this to work, the target needs to already like them well enough to be ok with some hanky panky when they're awake. Molesting someone unresponsive just doesn't do it for me.
This is 100% the way I feel about it also. Couldn't have said it better.
 
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I'm pretty much convinced that a good number of devs only implement that kind of content because it provides easy and early lewd content which doesn't need any kind of story or explanation. It can be added right away and the dev has ticked the box for some more lewd content in the update, kind of like peeking into showers and all this other stuff you see very, very often.

Else I'd totally agree that it's not appealing at all in the vast majority of cases, unless devs actually write a fitting scenario.
 
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Most sane (and insane) people don't look at sex in terms of rape/not rape/consent/nonconsent. We view those of you who do, along with religious and anti-religious fundamentalists who view sex as either sex-positive or "sex negative" as dangerous, deranged ideologues who have no purpose in life other than to curtail our freedoms.
 
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Most sane (and insane) people don't look at sex in terms of rape/not rape/consent/nonconsent. We view those of you who do, along with religious and anti-religious fundamentalists who view sex as either sex-positive or "sex negative" as dangerous, deranged ideologues who have no purpose in life other than to curtail our freedoms.
Granted I haven't read much on the forums today but so far, on this very day, this is the dumbest shit i've read.
 
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Granted I haven't read much on the forums today but so far, on this very day, this is the dumbest shit i've read.
You might want to do some introspection, then. Because I guarantee this is not the dumbest shit you have read here. More likely you just saw my post as hitting too close to home...
 

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> So explain to me the appeal of it and why half the games have it.

I might be playing the wrong sort of games but I just ain't seeing this pandemic of sleep fetish "in half the games on the site" as you've alluded too. To be honest I think I saw it in one, maybe two games tops? Even then it was just a single scene... I dont think you can name even 5 games with such content.

Regardless, it's as other have said; trying to rationalize about a fetish that you don't have is an exercise in futility. You'll just get frustrated and bitter about it. It's a fantasy, it appeals to them on some level and that's about it.

I could ofcourse choose to "lose sleep" trying to understand why people like certain stuff, or ask and sorta demand that people explain the point of a certain fetish but... at best you'll get get subjective answers that you can't relate to and at worst you'll get non-answers or negativity which will help nobody, so yeah... let it go.
 

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I might be playing the wrong sort of games but I just ain't seeing this pandemic of sleep fetish "in half the games on the site" as you've alluded too. To be honest I think I saw it in one, maybe two games tops? Even then it was just a single scene... I dont think you can name even 5 games with such content.
When i said half i was exaggerating ofc but its really common and i can name 5 games that have it, that i have personally tried and that are quite popular. Milfy City, Dreams of Desire, Long Live the Princess, Echoes of Lust, Midnight Paradise.

Regardless, it's as other have said; trying to rationalize about a fetish that you don't have is an exercise in futility. You'll just get frustrated and bitter about it. It's a fantasy, it appeals to them on some level and that's about it.

I could ofcourse choose to "lose sleep" trying to understand why people like certain stuff, or ask and sorta demand that people explain the point of a certain fetish but... at best you'll get get subjective answers that you can't relate to and at worst you'll get non-answers or negativity which will help nobody, so yeah... let it go.
i got some legitimate answers as to why someone might like it and why devs include it in the game just to have some sex in there while the story progresses. You got passive aggressive with me for no reason, i didn't demand anything. I can explain why i like the things i like and so can most people.
Regarding letting it go...Why ? I didn't go on a 5 page offtopic rant on a game's thread. This is the topic, none forced you to answer. I had a honest question and i got the answers.

Most sane (and insane) people don't look at sex in terms of rape/not rape/consent/nonconsent. We view those of you who do, along with religious and anti-religious fundamentalists who view sex as either sex-positive or "sex negative" as dangerous, deranged ideologues who have no purpose in life other than to curtail our freedoms.
Im not sure i understand what you're trying to say. Having sex with someone that is unwilling while they are passed out is rape by pretty much anyone's definition. While i wouldn't consider it rape to do this to your gf/wife i would consider it really stupid unless you know she is into it. I don't know about you but i would panic and then get really fucking mad if i woke up with something shoved into my mouth/ass.

I have no problem telling apart fantasy from reality. this is not a moral crusade. have all the rape and murder you want. My main problem with sleep sex is not that what the MC is doing is wrong. its that he is stupid and in most cases a delusional hypocrite that thinks he is actually a good person.
 
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Milfy City, Dreams of Desire, Long Live the Princess, Echoes of Lust, Midnight Paradise.
well there's your problem. you're mainly playing incest games. so the question really is: why is sleep sex so common in incest games. and the answer is: because they live in the same apartment, and sexual interest is repressed because of social norms until the characters buckle under the pressure. the characters always start with "this is wrong, I shouldn't think of my mother/sister/son like this" but they can't stop themselves. first they sneak & peek, then the other party gets into giving handjobs with poor excuses etc and claiming she's not into it, then she drops the denial and they become lovers.

is it always well done? obviously not. and often it doesn't make sense because the dev either doesn't include the sleep progression in the 'daytime progression' or the LI flips from 0 to full slut instantly. but that's a writing problem, not a logic problem.


My main problem with sleep sex is not that what the MC is doing is wrong. its that he is stupid and in most cases a delusional hypocrite that thinks he is actually a good person.
this contrast comes from his denial of his sexual attraction to a family member. doesn't mean he's a good guy, but the whole point of his character arc usually is the transformation from a goody two-shoes into a pervert. again, something that's often not written out well, because most of us are shit at writing.

frankly I can never understand the frequent complaint of not liking the MC because he 'thinks' he's a good guy but then does bad things like molests his mom in her sleep. that's called a complex character, and is universally thought to be a good thing in a story. han solo starts his arc with a straight up murder because he doesn't want to pay his bills. james bond is a serial rapist who habitually raped the female villains, and not in a 'soft rape' way but holding them down kicking and screaming until they stop resisting. clint eastwood in high plains drifter rapes a woman kicking and screaming before he saves the town, because he's a 'hero'. you get the point.

but also the fact that the MC is doing these bad things to his mom/sister proves he's NOT the good guy the complainer usually claims he him to be. so again the complaint makes no sense.

but I do understand how often these arcs are written poorly, the self-doubts and gradual corruption isn't portrayed clearly. but again, that's a writing problem, not a genre/character problem. the idea is 100% solid, but good ideas get fucked with poor technique.

the real question though is, how would you like it done differently, without removing the fetish? khumak suggested waking the girl up so she can show willingness, but I think that's a sort of vanilla view to a fetish you don't share. it's like saying "why can't you make NTR where the MC isn't humiliated", which can't be done because it wouldn't work for the people who do have the fetish. it's how a vanilla person sees NTR and how he'd 'solve' the 'problem' of him not being turned on by the fetish. by removing the fetish and replacing it with vanilla sex dressed into the outer signifiers of the fetish.

the only way I see the waking up (without stopping sexy times) working in this context is if you make it a straight rape scene, but I don't think most of sleep sex fetish people would like that. it goes to a different category, the rape fetish where you overpower the victim. not the same thing, and probably a huge dealbreaker for everybody else. a small overlap of people into both sleep fetish and rape fantasies would like it, but that's a tiny group unlike voyeurists.
 
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I don't have any particular attraction to "sleep sex" (not even if the unconscious party consented beforehand) but have found some decent cases over the years, in a "best of a bad bunch" sort of way. First of all it's simple and easy, especially speaking of single-scene Flash games, to introduce some actual gameplay mechanics to the sex itself. This also works if the recipient is awake with an "apprehension/annoyance" meter but having them completely inactive is simpler. Secondly Japanese female voice acting SUUUCKS in those scenes and this serves as a built-in mute button. If she's gonna squeal "noo!" like a live piglet on a skewer even in an explicitly consensual encounter sleep molestation is preferable by a long shot. And finally it allows unlocking the awake-and-consenting version as a "freeplay" bonus for properly completing the game.

For games with any kind of plot or story such scenes should always be a failure, a flawed character succumbing to their urges, with the exception of an established manipulator setting up further addiction/corruption/blackmail. Which means they're still good because flaws and failures are what drive most stories. Not that many games make use of it that way...