when did ntr became so popular?

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Personally the only appeal I find in NTR is related to how stuff gains meaning, let me explain a bit, overall I have tried many games in this site and almost none had any appeal to me, but that's because I feel that nothing is important, nothing can go wrong.

The games I tend to enjoy are those that have risks or unexpected consequences, it doesn't have to be NTR, I played "Odyssey of Gianna", a whole game about people trying to transform or corrupt your characters, "descendants of the forest", which is kinda similar in how it works.

It all started with sengoku rance, a game in which bad stuff could happen, especially depending on the route you are on. Then discovered a previous game "kichikuou Rance" and that game had A LOT of bad stuff that could happen, I just felt that finally my actions were doing something, that I could finally feel that the MC is a hero, because I saw the consequences of failing to do so.

Overall when bad stuff can happen, it makes the MC feel important, you aren't getting a harem for free nor are the girls throwing themselves at the MC, but you are truly earning it and that's what I find the most important and ironically this feeling came from normal games, not porn, I was always like "If the villain can only lose... does the story have any meaning for my character?", I always liked for example how one of my first games "siege of avalon" when the hero (our MC) died I could get an epilogue of the story and I feel this had deeply influenced what I seek in games and how I ended up here.
This seems more about avoidable NTR which is sadly not differnciated on this site.
Personally I feel like 90% of the games haveing an NTR tag here are either mandatory NTR or a second story variation which is focused on it... meaning you can either play in Vanilla Harem OR NTR mode.
The games that implement a shifting gameplay mechanic are rare and those doing a good job at it even more so.
 
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1) Women
My reasoning for #1 is I've seen more and more NTR focused on how a woman feels (e.g. her internal dialogue and how she feels so bad and good at the same time)
From following ntr game threads here on the forum I've seen guys post they like to see this too so I don't think its catering to women in particular. Also if women are the largest ntr consumers then where are they?:ROFLMAO: surely they'd wanna voice their opinions about ntr like guys do so much. this just doesn't make much sense and women who wanna get off on cheating probably gonna read their novel where heroine gets saved from her boring marriage by a 6'7 billionaire vampire misogynist
 

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From following ntr game threads here on the forum I've seen guys post they like to see this too so I don't think its catering to women in particular. Also if women are the largest ntr consumers then where are they?:ROFLMAO: surely they'd wanna voice their opinions about ntr like guys do so much. this just doesn't make much sense and women who wanna get off on cheating probably gonna read their novel where heroine gets saved from her boring marriage by a 6'7 billionaire vampire misogynist
Unless they NTR the thread by useing a different one :devilish:
 

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From following ntr game threads here on the forum I've seen guys post they like to see this too so I don't think its catering to women in particular. Also if women are the largest ntr consumers then where are they?:ROFLMAO: surely they'd wanna voice their opinions about ntr like guys do so much. this just doesn't make much sense and women who wanna get off on cheating probably gonna read their novel where heroine gets saved from her boring marriage by a 6'7 billionaire vampire misogynist
1) The listing is my opinion not facts

2) The most popular NTR is female POV or heavily includes it even when it's "hidden" NTR. Again, the POV also writes heavily like a female romance fantasy novel; the male typically is also a dark-skin giga-chad with a large dick...

3) Anyone can claim to be a guy on the internet... but more importantly online forum traffic is a fraction of what ppl actually pay for. I would argue most backers don't even engage in forum posts for their game.

Like I said it's nearly impossible to gather accurate metric on NTR's demographic especially in the west. If you wanted to argue about Japan's NTR consumption you could make an argument if you go to the conventions and camp NTR doujin stalls but even that is just a fraction of consumers.
 

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Personally the only appeal I find in NTR is related to how stuff gains meaning, let me explain a bit, overall I have tried many games in this site and almost none had any appeal to me, but that's because I feel that nothing is important, nothing can go wrong.

The games I tend to enjoy are those that have risks or unexpected consequences, it doesn't have to be NTR, I played "Odyssey of Gianna", a whole game about people trying to transform or corrupt your characters, "descendants of the forest", which is kinda similar in how it works.

It all started with sengoku rance, a game in which bad stuff could happen, especially depending on the route you are on. Then discovered a previous game "kichikuou Rance" and that game had A LOT of bad stuff that could happen, I just felt that finally my actions were doing something, that I could finally feel that the MC is a hero, because I saw the consequences of failing to do so.

Overall when bad stuff can happen, it makes the MC feel important, you aren't getting a harem for free nor are the girls throwing themselves at the MC, but you are truly earning it and that's what I find the most important and ironically this feeling came from normal games, not porn, I was always like "If the villain can only lose... does the story have any meaning for my character?", I always liked for example how one of my first games "siege of avalon" when the hero (our MC) died I could get an epilogue of the story and I feel this had deeply influenced what I seek in games and how I ended up here.
I highly recommend Seeds of Chaos. It's the only NTR game I played and to me other games aren't interesting to try. The dev nailed the meaning though and wrote as it should be which is cool from considering that NTR origin is Japan and the dev isn't I think.
 
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This seems more about avoidable NTR which is sadly not differnciated on this site.
Personally I feel like 90% of the games haveing an NTR tag here are either mandatory NTR or a second story variation which is focused on it... meaning you can either play in Vanilla Harem OR NTR mode.
The games that implement a shifting gameplay mechanic are rare and those doing a good job at it even more so.
As much as I dislike NTR, I don't totally hate the idea of it being used as a punishment for losing the game. You're defeated and the game over screen is your woman getting fucked by someone else. But how often does this happen? It seems like most NTR games are the mandatory kinetic novel type, "you are a loser, watch your defeat happen in slow motion". And that's the stuff I have no interest in, and baffles me when people defend it so much.
 
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Why NTR is so popular is a simple question to answer: money to be made. More specifically, the NTR market was initially very niche so a lot of content creators swarmed to make more of it = rapid expansion. In contrast, an ever staple genre like vanilla is always market saturated so new content is easily over looked unless the art (mainly) or another aspect is insanely good despite this genre getting a ton of new content daily.

Now to answer when it "became" so "popular" my estimation is roughly late 2000s/early 2010s when more people got hooked online. I would argue though that NTR was always a staple niche genre that was always "popular" relative to other niche fetishes.

But if you want to get into the real nitty gritty of who this expanding market is based on you'll have to guess as the data collection on this is going to be extremely tainted and untracked. IMO you can split it up into 4 rough categories from largest consumers to lowest:
1) Women
2) Closeted men
3) Gooners
4) Real life cucks

Again these groups are my opinions and not meant to disparage anyone. It is purely academic from my anecdotal reviews and conjunctures of me seeing NTR grow in popularity.

My reasoning for #1 is I've seen more and more NTR focused on how a woman feels (e.g. her internal dialogue and how she feels so bad and good at the same time) since the early 2010s upto now which mirriors heavily women romance novels & to a lesser extent hallmark movie love interests (e.g. big dick, muscular, and dark triad men/animals). Additionally, we know that more and more women have entered less "PC" online spaces since the mid-late 2000s & during that same time period upto today women have been earning more leaving them with more expendible income. If women were the largest consumer of NTR it would explain why such a niche market suddenly grew in extreme popularity relatively quickly.

#2 and #3 could be switched around but IMO this order makes more sense as gooners don't really care that what they are fapping to is specifically NTR but rather they will jackoff to anything that looks good or for another niche reason in the media. On the flip side, #2 cares about NTR not because of the women being fucked silly but rather the idea of a big, strong, dominate man doing the fucking. It's also why, IMO, so many NTR games in recent years have now introduced so much sissy porn into it.

#4 IMO obviously ranks dead last because this market was already extremely niche and capped out until recently. Of course there is an arugment to be had that actually it wasn't the increase of women that made NTR more popular but more cucks also coming into online spaces fueling the growth. My counter-argument to that is that men who were into more heavy sexual fetishes in the early 2000s were already online before the major internet boom or already in real life situations for their preferred fetishes. Also if this were the case we should be seeing more netorase content which I hardly even see coming out compared to other forms of NTR.
Again with this idea.

You're ranking is actually correct... If it was reversed.

NTR is very popular with guys, just knowing several of the tropes would prove this. Using romance novels and hallmark movies as proof is dumb because every person who brings them up never seems to have watched them. They just know about it, but not nearly enough. Where does a fat old man fit? Or a ripped black dude? They're not the same thing.

If women were the primary audience for NTR, Reverse NTR would be more popular. NTR is based on Male humiliation and Female corruption, with the former being primary with the latter helping. If it was for women, it'd be reversed; Female Humiliation and Male Corruption.

And as for popularity, it's actually pretty artificial. On the community side, people talking about it makes it more notable. You don't see these kinda talks with say, Femdom for example, so femdom seems less popular. And on the game side, more games doesn't mean it's more popular, with many being AI nowadays.

Even the anime is actually artificial. There is truth that there have been way more ntr animes coming out. But funnily enough, a lot are adaptations. Look up any of them and count how many seem to be original, and for the originals, how good they look.
The animes are adaptations for the work, since like a lot of japanese animation companies, they prefer working with something popular than not. That's why a lot of them are ntr, it's more risque than vanilla but not so risque they'd ruin their rep by animating something a little more extreme.
 

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More like this entire conversation is already offtopic as he argues how important NTR is rather than when it started as the title of the thread is, only reffering to offtopic when challenged in his opinion.
the position, which you took regarding that matter in the prior discussion, was clear to me and it is my intention to respond thereto later. however, i would prefer to give eaudecologne opportunity to respond my previous post first, should he so desire, in order to avoid retreading the same ground.
 
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1) The listing is my opinion not facts

2) The most popular NTR is female POV or heavily includes it even when it's "hidden" NTR. Again, the POV also writes heavily like a female romance fantasy novel; the male typically is also a dark-skin giga-chad with a large dick...

3) Anyone can claim to be a guy on the internet... but more importantly online forum traffic is a fraction of what ppl actually pay for. I would argue most backers don't even engage in forum posts for their game.

Like I said it's nearly impossible to gather accurate metric on NTR's demographic especially in the west. If you wanted to argue about Japan's NTR consumption you could make an argument if you go to the conventions and camp NTR doujin stalls but even that is just a fraction of consumers.
it has been noted that your listing was intended as opinion, not fact, an assessment wherewith i find myself in agreement, for its character is conjectural, stacking supposition on supposition, building not a house on sand but a castle in the sky, therefore its concluding proposition, if assented to, remains speculative and whether it is true we know not.

to the supposition that women constitute the predominant consumer base of netorare fiction, which eaudecologne has answered already with valid objections, i reply that this suffers from a conceptual inclarity. your listing produced asymmetrical reference classes, wherein one group of people are characterised by their gender alone, whereas the other groups, however, find their characterisation in more specific interests or identities, although they are assigned to the other predominant gender explicitly or implicitly, thus like is not compared with like. one may say that this presents women who engage with netorare as if they would be an indifferentiated mass, more statistically problematic is that the listing leaves up in the air whether the alleged majority is relative or absolute. to clarify that point, if we are to suppose that women comprise 47% of netorare consumers and men 53%, this would be a remarkable achievement of approximate gender parity for netorare, however it would be quite improper to assert that women make up the largest category, because this would have been achieved through arbitrary and irregular assignment of reference classes. if we must suppose, on the other hand, that some women are subsumed under another category, such as gooners, which is possible at the least, unlike closeted men which exclude women by definition, one must speak of a fatal inclarity. finally, if you do contend that women are an absolute majority, which appears implausible, your claim by default must bear a particularly heavy burden of proof, which neither the weaker nor the stronger achieve by my estimation, whilst under that premise a further breakdown into subcategories within the female gender would be even more apposite and instructive.

neither am i positive that closeted men, whether they be homosexual or bisexual or pansexual, constitute the second largest category of netorare consumers. for to be in the closet means that one is not open in regards sexual orientation to others, either one's relations or the wider world, it does not mean that one lies to oneself. why many closeted men would have to resort to sissification narratives, which are often subordinate to heterosexual narratives in the same product, in netorare, when they are in the privacy of their home, using their computer in private, unless one assumes that they must necessarily share their computers, which appears to be unwarranted, is unresolved in your argument? are they not free to be engrossed in the same pornography in private as their homosexual, bisexual or pansexual fellows out of the closet? this hypothesis is severely wanting in not only empirical evidence, which your other suppositions need as well, but also of a plausible mechanism.

as for your statement that the gender of most consumers of netorare is not definitely known and that most do not post, therefore that a majority of netorarists may be female indeed, this is correct, but this reeks of a counsel of despair, whereby an unproven and contested hypothesis is salvaged by invoking another, as if one is saving the appearances; one cannot reach an objective conclusion thereby.
 

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it has been noted that your listing was intended as opinion, not fact, an assessment wherewith i find myself in agreement, for its character is conjectural, stacking supposition on supposition, building not a house on sand but a castle in the sky, therefore its concluding proposition, if assented to, remains speculative and whether it is true we know not.

to the supposition that women constitute the predominant consumer base of netorare fiction, which eaudecologne has answered already with valid objections, i reply that this suffers from a conceptual inclarity. your listing produced asymmetrical reference classes, wherein one group of people are characterised by their gender alone, whereas the other groups, however, find their characterisation in more specific interests or identities, although they are assigned to the other predominant gender explicitly or implicitly, thus like is not compared with like. one may say that this presents women who engage with netorare as if they would be an indifferentiated mass, more statistically problematic is that the listing leaves up in the air whether the alleged majority is relative or absolute. to clarify that point, if we are to suppose that women comprise 47% of netorare consumers and men 53%, this would be a remarkable achievement of approximate gender parity for netorare, however it would be quite improper to assert that women make up the largest category, because this would have been achieved through arbitrary and irregular assignment of reference classes. if we must suppose, on the other hand, that some women are subsumed under another category, such as gooners, which is possible at the least, unlike closeted men which exclude women by definition, one must speak of a fatal inclarity. finally, if you do contend that women are an absolute majority, which appears implausible, your claim by default must bear a particularly heavy burden of proof, which neither the weaker nor the stronger achieve by my estimation, whilst under that premise a further breakdown into subcategories within the female gender would be even more apposite and instructive.

neither am i positive that closeted men, whether they be homosexual or bisexual or pansexual, constitute the second largest category of netorare consumers. for to be in the closet means that one is not open in regards sexual orientation to others, either one's relations or the wider world, it does not mean that one lies to oneself. why many closeted men would have to resort to sissification narratives, which are often subordinate to heterosexual narratives in the same product, in netorare, when they are in the privacy of their home, using their computer in private, unless one assumes that they must necessarily share their computers, which appears to be unwarranted, is unresolved in your argument? are they not free to be engrossed in the same pornography in private as their homosexual, bisexual or pansexual fellows out of the closet? this hypothesis is severely wanting in not only empirical evidence, which your other suppositions need as well, but also of a plausible mechanism.

as for your statement that the gender of most consumers of netorare is not definitely known and that most do not post, therefore that a majority of netorarists may be female indeed, this is correct, but this reeks of a counsel of despair, whereby an unproven and contested hypothesis is salvaged by invoking another, as if one is saving the appearances; one cannot reach an objective conclusion thereby.
You know hypothesis is the basic of any research no?
You are also describing a Schrödinger's cat dilemma and hencefor concur it must be incorrect, failing to actually proof your point makeing it another speculation... no matter how well formulated that's the gist of this.
You can also add several scales and identification groups like first separate by femal/male and than fetishists/gooners not excludeing each other. So in total it's assumption against assumption once again.
 

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*Schrodinger's cuck in this case.
i must not deign to speak about what others carry on their person, but i have brought neither cat nor cuck to the discussion, which i should not intend to do either.

it was evangelion that let the cat out, although i do not regard schrödinger's as having any order of business herein; as for the cuck, i venture that the original poster, now a mangled corpse, must bear the great responsibility, if not culpability, for that one's entry by his choice of subject for this thread.
 

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You know hypothesis is the basic of any research no?
You are also describing a Schrödinger's cat dilemma and hencefor concur it must be incorrect, failing to actually proof your point makeing it another speculation... no matter how well formulated that's the gist of this.
You can also add several scales and identification groups like first separate by femal/male and than fetishists/gooners not excludeing each other. So in total it's assumption against assumption once again.
if you see fit to engage others in rational disputation, it behooves you to conform to valid logic, entailing the abjuration of fallacious reasonings, not misconstruing the interlocutor's stance into a straw man, such as you did when you mischaracterised that i was "describing a Schrödinger's cat dilemma and hencefor concur it must be incorrect" or mischaracterised my argument as "another speculation" and "assumption against assumption once again", whereas it was, as can be easily observed, primarily a structural critique against unclear and malformed inferences and against a biased partition into unstable reference classes, which is not advancing a thesis, rather it exposes the logical defectss of the conjecture offered by gamenerd9000. if you want to reiterate it as a serious and sincere criticism, you ought to isolate and analyse the flaw, not operate by "telling, not shewing".

the closest i approached a positive thesis, was when i judged that it is implausible that women constitute an absolute majority of netorarists, which is indeed not a statement of fact, however it extrapolates from gender patterns regarding consumption of pornography ( ), of anime in english speaking countries ( , , there is variation globally but the median global viewer appears to be a male), and, with less trustworthy and reputable evidence from market research, of visual novels ( ) and of manga ( ), wherewith parenthetically i have adduced more evidence to this matter than you or him, therefore i maintain the nature of that modest statement was not immoderately speculative.

likewise, it behooves you to confine yourself to your habitual voice, not to adopt a manner of reply which resembles, if you will permit the turn of phrase, that of a popinjay, whereof i may say that you are not original, that another attempted such before you, even more so that he was your better, despite which he was also rather dismal, however, so altogether you appear to be a small specimen of that taxon indeed. also you are well-advised to avail yourself of a spell checker.
 

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if you see fit to engage others in rational disputation, it behooves you to conform to valid logic, entailing the abjuration of fallacious reasonings, not misconstruing the interlocutor's stance into a straw man, such as you did when you mischaracterised that i was "describing a Schrödinger's cat dilemma and hencefor concur it must be incorrect" or mischaracterised my argument as "another speculation" and "assumption against assumption once again",
really?
I am simply pointing out the fault in your logic not even bothering pointing out this fake formulation you use makeing me wonder wether I talk to an AI bot or an actual person useing AI to seem soffociated.
whereas it was, as can be easily observed, primarily a structural critique against unclear and malformed inferences and against a biased partition into unstable reference classes, which is not advancing a thesis, rather it exposes the logical defectss of the conjecture offered by gamenerd9000. if you want to reiterate it as a serious and sincere criticism, you ought to isolate and analyse the flaw, not operate by "telling, not shewing".

the closest i approached a positive thesis, was when i judged that it is implausible that women constitute an absolute majority of netorarists, which is indeed not a statement of fact,
Point is your critique is exactly the same as what you critisice... you can't see that yourself or chose to ignore it I don't know.
As I pointed out this structural critique was also completly build on Sand or rather your missinterpretation of what was said, I offered an alternative point of view based on the exact same source... proofing your interpretation to be faulty.
however it extrapolates from gender patterns regarding consumption of pornography ( ), of anime in english speaking countries ( , , there is variation globally but the median global viewer appears to be a male), and, with less trustworthy and reputable evidence from market research, of visual novels ( ) and of manga ( ), wherewith parenthetically i have adduced more evidence to this matter than you or him, therefore i maintain the nature of that modest statement was not immoderately speculative.
We already established that statistics and surveys are made to only proof what the one creating them wanted them to say.
Personal and professional experience in case you wondered.
Still you only, when challenged, put out with statistics and surveys while originally only stated your own opinion calling them facts.
By nature most people skip surveys and statistics, even more so if the content is considered embarresing or harming to them.
likewise, it behooves you to confine yourself to your habitual voice, not to adopt a manner of reply which resembles, if you will permit the turn of phrase, that of a popinjay, whereof i may say that you are not original, that another attempted such before you, even more so that he was your better, despite which he was also rather dismal, however, so altogether you appear to be a small specimen of that taxon indeed. also you are well-advised to avail yourself of a spell checker.
And now you go with "me smarter than you, me bigger E-Cock"?
That's really weak man... even more useing such headache of a formulation might I suggest you drop the AI and talk human for once?
 

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Why has NTR become popular?

1. The audience on the internet is made up predominantly of young males who are likely prone to angst and nihilism, so watching social institutions like monogamy/monoamory be subverted provides validation to their already antisocial tendencies.

2. To hop on to gamernerd's bandwagon, the audience for NTR (excluding perhaps Netori) is overly feminized, and thus register their own sexual gratification with what they assume the female's pleasure is. One would assume that if this brand of NTR were aimed at validating masculinity as opposed to idealizing, and even "idolizing" femininity, the main male character would presume the role of someone hypermasculine instead of losing out to the buffet of "chads" which informs his woman's promiscuity.

3. The audience is underage, and they naturally prize especially an older woman's "availability" rather than her "exclusivity" because it presents sexual prospects without any consequence, including a monoamorous pairing. In other words, it's a slight step-up from masturbation.
 

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Are we supposed to see an image here? Or did it get "stolen" by some ripped, tattooed blonde, whom it met randomly at the beach?
U got cucked out of seeing that image? Hope u got turned on bro, we doing ntr sideways epicstyle :LOL:(y)