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yupp, you can really lose yourself in those two beautiful "eyes"... WHICH ONE???
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I don't mind making the motor-both at top and at the bottom! Brrrr
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and what about the back?I don't mind making the motor-both at top and at the bottom! Brrrr
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That MILF should wear a T-shirt "My eyes are up" on the street... Because of... orientation...
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The other people she meets need a yellow armband with three black dots.
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oh, now I understand... applies to the front and back. Sorry, I'm not the fastestand at the Bottom ( ).( )!
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They're dealing drugs for money, we don't even know what other in her family do... Why she simple don't go into bank like that and withdrew all money they have? She could take her older daughter too... So they could carry more money... I'm sure bank clerks would help them too... And nobody would remember their face...
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Don't mind me guys, just getting ready
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In September
Estimates based on:
-Ocean has done some renders of ch3.5.
-SG will be finished publishing on Steam by the end of the month(hopefully).
-6 months is enough time to complete half a ch.
everything is just my imagination
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In September
Estimates based on:
-Ocean has done some renders of ch3.5.
-SG will be finished publishing on Steam by the end of the month(hopefully).
-6 months is enough time to complete half a ch.
everything is just my imagination
the addition of this third party has me scratching my head, up until now my belief was that Krayt was the main enemy but this dialogue between Abigail and Leia tells me that whatever this Church Thing/Cult is ,is way more dangerus.
When we add that to Dana conversation outside the bar about her father and brother, leads me to think that her family is heavily envolve in this as well.
My wild theorie is: We know that there is 3 antagonist powers to Leia/Zanes; Asavera, Kryat and The Cult ( they probably are not a cult but I think this simplified and is cooler ) ZPR surges as a respond to this 3 powers.
Kelly may be a niece of Danna and I have no clue how the Frohn's and the Cyrus enters this game, the former given the little we see in the old chapter 6 does not appear to me the kinda of people that get evolved with this sort of thing, the Cyrus... Who are they ? We know more about Summer than we do about the Cyrus if they really exist
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Previous version also had a mysterious third party, now we have at least 5 (Asavera, Krayt, Zane's (including Uncle Joe's bikers), Police, Organisation). I'll refer to it as the Organisation, as I am assuming the cult side is more a cover to get brainless agents that do as they're instructed, as well as have a nation wide network across a broad section of society. So yes a cult, but without a religious purpose.
Some things we (mostly) know followed by expanded speculation:
- Donna is a counsellor at the college, where Kat is feeling bad vibes from a professor. Most likely Kat would have gone to the counsellor and shared her worries - which suggests that whoever Donna is working with is also working with the professor in the college for some purpose (previous version had weird dealings in the college and Willi was going to be planted undercover by ABigail as a coach in the college, that's roughly at the end of the old version before being reworked)
- Donna is working for someone, and keeping her eyes on Willi. We don't know her motivations in this version. Krayt don't care to be that subtle and the Zane's have no need to do that. Asavera might, as any leverage is useful. The police already have Mon and Abigail keeping tabs on the Zane's, no need to waste more resources. So most likely Donna is involved with the organisation or Asavera.
- Donna is a presumably still a Revera - the name doesn't appear in this version of game, only the old one. She might actually marry into the Revera family, we don't know how that all works.
- Donna is likely to end up on Willi's side, whether by circumstance or choice if she's a Revera still, as ZPR is a thing.
- Previous Donna could get pregnant by Willi, so the Revera on the first team in SG is most likely also a Zane, and probably the reason why Z and R are in cahoots.
- Previous Donna was frightened of becoming useless to the Organisation (which included corrupt police/justice dept people) when she became pregnant, suggesting that the Organisation had a very strict control on their operatives.
- Dana's father and brother are most likely involved, which means that they have leverage on Dana's cases. Important to keep in mind for the future (ie if Willi or Leia need a lawyer, there could be complications with Dana, pressure put on her)
- The Frohn's were into investment and banking and were boring people in the old version. Leia says that, so likely they didn't invest in her businesses. They could be bankrolling the organisation, or managing assets for the organisation. Boring people could mean (from Leia) people who are against her businesses for moral reasons ie religious. There's my tenuous link.
- We might not see any connections to the old version from this point on ie the prison scene might happen later, or might not at all. Warden Harbour might not be involved. Willi might not get Donna pregnant.
- Pure speculation: the Organisation either causes car crashes like they potentially caused Helen's situation to tie up/silence loose ends (such as investment bankers that know too much and the Cyrus's) or potentially the Cyrus's are important in the organisation (Or the Cyrus's don't exist by that name. Easy to mask names when you have corrupt officials on your side).
- Summer's parents could appear as part of the organisation, and that might explain or hint at why the events in SG are the fallout of all this.
My basic assumption is that the outcome of WiaB is the setup for SG, and things like too many car crashes are unlikely to be because Wollust has a higher than average incidence of road head. Also, I don't think that Summer or the Cyrus' (if that's not a cover name) will be only peripheral to WiaB - otherwise Katie in the book club makes no sense. Katie and Leia both go to the book club btw, we just haven't seen Leia yet. Further with the thought about Summer's family and the Cyrus's potentially being seen in WiaB - they could simply be like the Frohn's and relatively side characters, but still be important to the plot, just like Ben romanced Dana before finding Mon - Ben's unlikely to get a lot of screen time, but his dramas will affect Willi - as Willi and Mon are forced into contact more and more, Ben will probably start doing things, maybe get Krayt involved to get Willi away from Mon? Who knows?
Anyway, I'm finding this avenue for speculation to raise quite a lot of angles to consider even if my ideas are wrong.
Alright you gave me a lot to think about.
It makes sense, in the pratical sense, but I don't know, for the story I fell that it has more weight if they are innocent and die as a result of some wrong doings of William and the Zanes.
Harbour was the villain of the old verion ? I think that it will happen but more to the middle of the story, the prison at least the Donna thing ... I don't know, my bet is that it is cut.
I don't have a good memory of the events of the old version, thought was only the Kryat and the Zanes. I tend to agree with you that this 3 powers that I mentioned is branches of a greater one, Kryat is a supplier of drugs - as is the bikers gang to Leia- and the Asavera serves as the distributor and washes the money - that also is Leia business - the Church thing in my head is the one who coordinate this other two to gain political influence, so Leia represents a threat to this Organisation as she is taken market.
I don't know what to think of the reworked Donna, you make some good speculations with what we know of the old version and with the rework, for me still I don't know what to take of it. I agree that given that ZPR exist in SG not only Donna but the whole family will at some point work with the Zanes, now how she and her family will go to - if this happens in this version - trying to frame William with rape to found a college together I don't know, I tend to think that in this version the 3 families will be collaborating much earlier.
Still with Dana, do you think that she represents Leia ? At the bar when they are talking there is a dialogue that makes me think so but I am not sure, when Katie, William, Mon and Dana are talking about some Jorge that seems that Leia ordered killed.
It makes sense, in the pratical sense, but I don't know, for the story I fell that it has more weight if they are innocent and die as a result of some wrong doings of William and the Zanes.
Harbour was the villain of the old verion ? I think that it will happen but more to the middle of the story, the prison at least the Donna thing ... I don't know, my bet is that it is cut.
Would be surprised if they are not behind all car crashes in Wollust. Now this is fun speculation, how WiAB and SG will intertwine, the problem is that is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 10% of the pieces. I think that the community tends to focus much in Nika, Nami and the Cyrus, but Summer disappearance may be the result the of mob war that seems to me unleashed by the event in WiAB, we know very little of Summer she may have been killed, kidnapped or worse as retaliation for the final events of WiAB, now why and who did it ... We need to know more to answer that. Now I am 50/50 about how much of SG is in WiAB, Nojiko at least has to make a appearance and going with your theory - that I quite like - Summers parent too, I tend to think that the Cyrus does not exist but I like your take on it, they are not the focus of the story but their action greatly impact it; but I don't expect Bellas family, the Cerilas or Charlie to be making appearance in WIAB.
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THe previous version had good and bad cops, Krayt, Miru's ninja clan, the bikers, the Zane's and the Organisation, who was working with the bad cops. The bikers, Zanes and good cops were mostly collaborating. Miru's clan was unknown as to their goals. It's safe to say thes power structures/relationships are irrelevant now, only the outlines remain. Asavera is Leia's competition, not affiliated with Krayt or Leia, but in competition - that why Willi sent Asavera's 'regards' to Krayt by the knocked out member. We have no idea what Asavera does yet, other than a nightclub owner that is also watched closely by the police. Asavera might be on the pimp side manipulated by the organisation to antagonise Leia, who knows? I think the Church/Organisation is rather a political thing that uses the church structure for cover, so yes, I agree with you there, it's most likely coordinating Krayt and Asavera because Leia is in there way.Alright you gave me a lot to think about.
I don't have a good memory of the events of the old version, thought was only the Kryat and the Zanes. I tend to agree with you that this 3 powers that I mentioned is branches of a greater one, Kryat is a supplier of drugs - as is the bikers gang to Leia- and the Asavera serves as the distributor and washes the money - that also is Leia business - the Church thing in my head is the one who coordinate this other two to gain political influence, so Leia represents a threat to this Organisation as she is taken market.
I don't know what to think of the reworked Donna, you make some good speculations with what we know of the old version and with the rework, for me still I don't know what to take of it. I agree that given that ZPR exist in SG not only Donna but the whole family will at some point work with the Zanes, now how she and her family will go to - if this happens in this version - trying to frame William with rape to found a college together I don't know, I tend to think that in this version the 3 families will be collaborating much earlier.
Still with Dana, do you think that she represents Leia ? At the bar when they are talking there is a dialogue that makes me think so but I am not sure, when Katie, William, Mon and Dana are talking about some Jorge that seems that Leia ordered killed.
It makes sense, in the pratical sense, but I don't know, for the story I fell that it has more weight if they are innocent and die as a result of some wrong doings of William and the Zanes.
Amber has potentially already been 'seen' when Willi stops at the petrol station, she might make a further appearance, but maybe she'll be more like an easter egg, she'll be dancing in the clubs or something, just peripheral. Her friend might also be there, again more for continuity.
It's certainly getting interesting
Harbour was the villain of the old verion ? I think that it will happen but more to the middle of the story, the prison at least the Donna thing ... I don't know, my bet is that it is cut.
Would be surprised if they are not behind all car crashes in Wollust. Now this is fun speculation, how WiAB and SG will intertwine, the problem is that is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 10% of the pieces. I think that the community tends to focus much in Nika, Nami and the Cyrus, but Summer disappearance may be the result the of mob war that seems to me unleashed by the event in WiAB, we know very little of Summer she may have been killed, kidnapped or worse as retaliation for the final events of WiAB, now why and who did it ... We need to know more to answer that. Now I am 50/50 about how much of SG is in WiAB, Nojiko at least has to make a appearance and going with your theory - that I quite like - Summers parent too, I tend to think that the Cyrus does not exist but I like your take on it, they are not the focus of the story but their action greatly impact it; but I don't expect Bellas family, the Cerilas or Charlie to be making appearance in WIAB.
In the old version Abigail asks Willi why Leia called him, as it had been a year since Helen's accident - the implication was Leia called him because she can't handle what is going on despite her appearance of confidence. That fits with my theories about Helen having gotten used to not speaking, it's been a while.
In the old version, Donna seduced him to blame him for rape, but then fell pregnant with his child. The organisation would have terminated her, she hides the prenancy test to avoid being found out so they think she is still useful. I think she ends up with the Zanes as the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of vibe. They know from then they can trust her because she's out of options. We also don't know if Donna is married, ends up keeping her surname or what. She might not be Revera yet in this version.
I think Mon was joking about Dana preparing a defense - Mon said Leia is way too clean, so the police don't have anything they can use right now, so no need for a lawyer yet. Jorge disappeared after getting feisty at Leia's club, but no one knows where he is. Maybe He will find Summer
Also notice that Emilio has tatts in SG but seems pretty clean in WiaB - maybe he spends time in prison too?Harbour was a villian, but not necessarily the main one. There's a beach house or something with an unseen man who seems to be the main villian. THe girl or Donna (depending on whether you let yourself be seduced or are set up by the blonde) seem to report directly to him.
All the stuff from the old version is not canon anymore, but it's still a good way to second guess the way Ocean plots and thinks.
Hi everyone!
Many interesting thoughts about what will happen next in WIAB over the last pages! Here are some comments from me.
Willi/Leia meeting: I agree it is unlikely they will have sex then, but I also would not be surprised if they do! It could be a wang- brushed-against-flow-event and is possible, just look at it.
It became quite clear over the first 3 chapters that Willi and Leia stood at the brink of sleeping together when he (had to) fled Wollust. It is also insinuated that Willi either wanted to return earlier or return and take Leia with him, but him being innocent tossed behind swedish curtains threw the wrench in. In prison he then met Miru, who helped him greatly to cope with being innocent but still in the gaol. It is clear that Leia never knew about Willi being in prison and him sending her the carved heart opens up their private meeting.
I think it likely that during their talk a lot surpressed feelings and past events will bubble to the surface and the two finally consumating their relationship could be the end result. But no matter if Leia and Willi sleep togather at this meeting or not, this event will lay the foundation for Willi/Leia relationship, Willi/Leia/Miru relationship, Leia NTR, Miru NTR, neutral relationship and Willi cheating, depending on our choices made before and during the coming meeting.
Gefritzel: I consider it near certain that Gefritzel will take a shine to Leia (and vice versa) and the two having no problems with each other.
Helen: I theorise that in several paths we will have a really bad surprise with her. There is something off with her and it is not her trauma induced muteness in the first place. Many tiny details, among them Helen spying on Willi/Leia talking together or the way she observes the others too.
Zoey: Our residential free Spirit will likely turn out to be a stabilising factor on more than one front. e.g. Stefan´s situation in SG is likely bader since Zoey married either Kati, Willi or someone else and left to live with them.
Many interesting thoughts about what will happen next in WIAB over the last pages! Here are some comments from me.
Willi/Leia meeting: I agree it is unlikely they will have sex then, but I also would not be surprised if they do! It could be a wang- brushed-against-flow-event and is possible, just look at it.
It became quite clear over the first 3 chapters that Willi and Leia stood at the brink of sleeping together when he (had to) fled Wollust. It is also insinuated that Willi either wanted to return earlier or return and take Leia with him, but him being innocent tossed behind swedish curtains threw the wrench in. In prison he then met Miru, who helped him greatly to cope with being innocent but still in the gaol. It is clear that Leia never knew about Willi being in prison and him sending her the carved heart opens up their private meeting.
I think it likely that during their talk a lot surpressed feelings and past events will bubble to the surface and the two finally consumating their relationship could be the end result. But no matter if Leia and Willi sleep togather at this meeting or not, this event will lay the foundation for Willi/Leia relationship, Willi/Leia/Miru relationship, Leia NTR, Miru NTR, neutral relationship and Willi cheating, depending on our choices made before and during the coming meeting.
Gefritzel: I consider it near certain that Gefritzel will take a shine to Leia (and vice versa) and the two having no problems with each other.
Helen: I theorise that in several paths we will have a really bad surprise with her. There is something off with her and it is not her trauma induced muteness in the first place. Many tiny details, among them Helen spying on Willi/Leia talking together or the way she observes the others too.
Zoey: Our residential free Spirit will likely turn out to be a stabilising factor on more than one front. e.g. Stefan´s situation in SG is likely bader since Zoey married either Kati, Willi or someone else and left to live with them.