VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[zack1419]

i guess there is nothing that makes ocean's fanboys happier than remakes and cut content.

 

[Tremonia]

i guess there is nothing that makes ocean's fanboys happier than remakes and cut content.

 

[PickerLewd]

I didn't recognise Tremonia with her/his new image profile , has she/he divorced Queen Lydia?

 

[Mortarion]

i guess there is nothing that makes ocean's fanboys happier than remakes and cut content.

WIAB game has way more reasonable story and content progression after reworked chapter 3 than the old one in chapter 6.

If you want to complain about "cut" content move to the SG thread and get roasted there.

 

[abirvg]

That's bullshit
Dude, if you turn off skip transitions and release the ctrl key, you'll find that there are 3 sex scenes in the game at the moment:
1. Miru Home
2. Good Night fun
3. Miru gym
Just 2 scenes are designed in the form of cinematic.
There are only 3 chapters in the game so far and this is just an introduction, and you already want a ton of sex scenes?
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Ok, I understand your frustration with the comment above, but you have to agree that these are not really 'scenes' at all.
These are just gifs slapped together.
No dialogues, no tension, no dynamic - no writing. Just porking.

I don't agree with Ocean's haters too.
He is extremely hard-working - if you compare the total amount of CGs he pumps out against other creators.
And he is extremely talented - not talented people have no haters. Or fans. Or viewers.

But.
You have to agree that the worst part of this game is its sex scenes.
Just compare them with the normal scenes around them - normal scenes are hotter.
Normal scenes are hotter than the sex scenes.
That is a badly designed sex.

My bet is that Ocean was working on Summer's Gone - with no sex scenes - for so long, that he just forgot what a sex scene is.
That he needs to write an actual scene - like he does with others.
And the sooner he realizes it, the better.

//The only sex scene that I count as an actual 'scene' was a 'pool blowjob'.
//And that was just a minor joking scene. Yet it was way hotter than any other full-on porking.
//Because there was at least some writing, and not just SFM gifs.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ok, I understand your frustration with the comment above, but you have to agree that these are not really 'scenes' at all.
These are just gifs slapped together.
No dialogues, no tension, no dynamic - no writing. Just porking.

I don't agree with Ocean's haters too.
He is extremely hard-working - if you compare the total amount of CGs he pumps out against other creators.
And he is extremely talented - not talented people have no haters. Or fans. Or viewers.

But.
You have to agree that the worst part of this game is its sex scenes.
Just compare them with the normal scenes around them - normal scenes are hotter.
Normal scenes are hotter than the sex scenes.
That is a badly designed sex.

My bet is that Ocean was working on Summer's Gone - with no sex scenes - for so long, that he just forgot what a sex scene is.
That he needs to write an actual scene - like he does with others.
And the sooner he realizes it, the better.

//The only sex scene that I count as an actual 'scene' was a 'pool blowjob'.
//And that was just a minor joking scene. Yet it was way hotter than any other full-on porking.
//Because there was at least some writing, and not just SFM gifs.

A fair comment, provided Ocean doesn't write dialogue like:

- "haaaaa haaa HaaaAAAAA"
- "Willi your willy stretches me out sooo gooood!"
- "Your cock feels sooo good"
- "You fill me up so good!"

etc. The majority of AVN's on this forum (that I've played) have worse sex scenes than WiaB BECAUSE of the dialogue; often the prim, romantic virgin has the same dialogue as the ultra horny super experienced seductress. I personally prefer classier animations without inane generic pornscripts.

Also, the whole Ocean's forgotten what a sex scene is - you're lumping in the first scene, which wasn't after all this long reworking of SG, but almost at the start of it. Ocean started the reworks because he was able to do better animations and better renders, just check out the scenes in the old chapter 6 to see what he realised it could be like (aside from the embarrassing amount of continuity errors because he tried to just slot it in).

In my mind the animations are far superior now, but you're right to consider that *good* dialogue would add something: unique personality for the scenes so they are memorable and more connected to the story and not just the mechanics. But that would be a comment in general for most games. I suspect most devs can only really script based on either their experiences (which are probably mostly vanilla) or what they've watched of badly scripted free porn.

 

[sorco2003]

A fair comment, provided Ocean doesn't write dialogue like:

- "haaaaa haaa HaaaAAAAA"
- "Willi your willy stretches me out sooo gooood!"
- "Your cock feels sooo good"
- "You fill me up so good!"

etc. The majority of AVN's on this forum (that I've played) have worse sex scenes than WiaB BECAUSE of the dialogue; often the prim, romantic virgin has the same dialogue as the ultra horny super experienced seductress. I personally prefer classier animations without inane generic pornscripts.

Also, the whole Ocean's forgotten what a sex scene is - you're lumping in the first scene, which wasn't after all this long reworking of SG, but almost at the start of it. Ocean started the reworks because he was able to do better animations and better renders, just check out the scenes in the old chapter 6 to see what he realised it could be like (aside from the embarrassing amount of continuity errors because he tried to just slot it in).

In my mind the animations are far superior now, but you're right to consider that *good* dialogue would add something: unique personality for the scenes so they are memorable and more connected to the story and not just the mechanics. But that would be a comment in general for most games. I suspect most devs can only really script based on either their experiences (which are probably mostly vanilla) or what they've watched of badly scripted free porn.

Here I will not agree, mostly because of the explanation given, if you could find a way to explain your point better, I might even agree.
That in your personal preference you like one option and not another, doesn't make it “good”, it makes you like it (as for the comparison of dialogue inclusion with “most” of AVN, it's a phrase that likes to be used in “most” threads).
As for graphics and animations... I like Ripples sex scenes better and they are made in HS2. What I mean, that not only visually they should appeal, even the old WIAB had better sex scenes, and not just because of the graphics, but being a collection of fetishes, the scenes were constructed differently. In the old WIAB it seemed that Ocean put everything he wanted to “see” in the AVNs, in the new interactions he puts everything he wants to tell.

Anyway, all this explanation is going to fall down with the first sexual scene with Katie, then it won't matter! Katie is love, Katie is life!

 

[LHDLLB]

Here I will not agree, mostly because of the explanation given, if you could find a way to explain your point better, I might even agree.
That in your personal preference you like one option and not another, doesn't make it “good”, it makes you like it (as for the comparison of dialogue inclusion with “most” of AVN, it's a phrase that likes to be used in “most” threads).
As for graphics and animations... I like Ripples sex scenes better and they are made in HS2. What I mean, that not only visually they should appeal, even the old WIAB had better sex scenes, and not just because of the graphics, but being a collection of fetishes, the scenes were constructed differently. In the old WIAB it seemed that Ocean put everything he wanted to “see” in the AVNs, in the new interactions he puts everything he wants to tell.

Anyway, all this explanation is going to fall down with the first sexual scene with Katie, then it won't matter! Katie is love, Katie is life!

Yeah, I tend to agree with you, old WiaB had some really good scenes that the new with all the updated visuals don't quite hit the same note, I especially remember the only Leia scene. Ocean knows how to write sex scenes, he has done it in the past, even the ass job of Nami in the jacuzzi is better than WiaB sex scenes in my opinion. I think that here the problems is that we only have sex scenes with Miru, who is great, but we don't have a build up to it, and kinda feels you fuck just to keep Miru satisfied, not out of obligation but almost routine, with makes sense in a 5+ year relantionship. That said, I still find some scene really good, of the rework I think the gym scene is the best.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Here I will not agree, mostly because of the explanation given, if you could find a way to explain your point better, I might even agree.
That in your personal preference you like one option and not another, doesn't make it “good”, it makes you like it (as for the comparison of dialogue inclusion with “most” of AVN, it's a phrase that likes to be used in “most” threads).
As for graphics and animations... I like Ripples sex scenes better and they are made in HS2. What I mean, that not only visually they should appeal, even the old WIAB had better sex scenes, and not just because of the graphics, but being a collection of fetishes, the scenes were constructed differently. In the old WIAB it seemed that Ocean put everything he wanted to “see” in the AVNs, in the new interactions he puts everything he wants to tell.

Anyway, all this explanation is going to fall down with the first sexual scene with Katie, then it won't matter! Katie is love, Katie is life!

All I'm saying is that dialogue has to be well written for it to enhance sex scenes. If Katie says "Willi you're filling me up so good!" I will (personally) find it very unsexy. Katie's dialogue in old WiaB related to the scene and was not generic. MIru's scenes were just best to get over with quickly.... the dialogue in a sex scene should still follow the character's personalities.

I shouldn't give comparisons to other games specifically this thread, that's off topic, so yeah MOST games I have played, the dialogue of sex scenes has been less memorable and less in character than the non sex scenes. That is my experience, that I can't quantify. Other people might find it different and that's fine, we're all playing different things. I've just noticed even in some of my favourite AVN's sex scene dialogue is lazy. Again, personal judgement. I hope that Ocean avoids generic scripting, surely that's not controversial? He's mostly managed to keep characters dialogue appropriate to their individual personalities so far, so I don't see any reason to believe he won't continue making things feel unique.

 

[sorco2003]

Yeah, I tend to agree with you, old WiaB had some really good scenes that the new with all the updated visuals don't quite hit the same note, I especially remember the only Leia scene. Ocean knows how to write sex scenes, he has done it in the past, even the ass job of Nami in the jacuzzi is better than WiaB sex scenes in my opinion. I think that here the problems is that we only have sex scenes with Miru, who is great, but we don't have a build up to it, and kinda feels you fuck just to keep Miru satisfied, not out of obligation but almost routine, with makes sense in a 5+ year relantionship. That said, I still find some scene really good, of the rework I think the gym scene is the best.

What I am about to write is totally personal, but it may be a shared opinion. The difference I notice with Miru is the existence or not of the NTR. What I mean, in the old WIAB there was already the doctor at the beginning, so Miru's sexual needs were palpable, so the construction of the sexual scenes rested almost exclusively on her, although it is a rushed construction, it was useful. And precisely the scene in the gym or in the pool have that same vibe, the vibe of being Miru who builds the scene and it's more than “let's fuck? mmmm... mmmm... ok"

 

[abirvg]

A fair comment, provided Ocean doesn't write dialogue like:

- "haaaaa haaa HaaaAAAAA"
- "Willi your willy stretches me out sooo gooood!"
- "Your cock feels sooo good"
- "You fill me up so good!"

etc. The majority of AVN's on this forum (that I've played) have worse sex scenes than WiaB BECAUSE of the dialogue; often the prim, romantic virgin has the same dialogue as the ultra horny super experienced seductress. I personally prefer classier animations without inane generic pornscripts.

Also, the whole Ocean's forgotten what a sex scene is - you're lumping in the first scene, which wasn't after all this long reworking of SG, but almost at the start of it. Ocean started the reworks because he was able to do better animations and better renders, just check out the scenes in the old chapter 6 to see what he realised it could be like (aside from the embarrassing amount of continuity errors because he tried to just slot it in).

In my mind the animations are far superior now, but you're right to consider that *good* dialogue would add something: unique personality for the scenes so they are memorable and more connected to the story and not just the mechanics. But that would be a comment in general for most games. I suspect most devs can only really script based on either their experiences (which are probably mostly vanilla) or what they've watched of badly scripted free porn.

No, that's why it's so frustrating.
He knows how to write sexual tension between characters. How to write dynamic dialogue - with layers and possibilities - when characters don't say what they mean, or when their strong personalities get highlighted through their speech and actions.
He can write it. He does write it.
He just doesn't do it for sex scenes.

For example:
The first thing we learned about Miru is that she's extremely loyal <=> and extremely jealous.
//A great personality dynamic for a sex game, when you'll need to have sex with a bunch of people.
Why not convey it in a sex scene?
I'm sure even you - not a writer - can easily imagine a great dynamic sex scene, through which we learn about that side of her personality.

That goes for every part of every character.
If you were to write a horror - you'll be highlighting the most important parts of your characters during the horror scenes. Or else your horror scenes would be just empty jump-scares.
And if you were to write a sex game...

 

[yossa999]

[...] If you were to write a horror - you'll be highlighting the most important parts of your characters during the horror scenes. Or else your horror scenes would be just empty jump-scares.
And if you were to write a sex game...

He has highlighted it through Helen's hips and Leia's areolas, right RNasc4444?

 

[BobTheDuck]

No, that's why it's so frustrating.
He knows how to write sexual tension between characters. How to write dynamic dialogue - with layers and possibilities - when characters don't say what they mean, or when their strong personalities get highlighted through their speech and actions.
He can write it. He does write it.
He just doesn't do it for sex scenes.

For example:
The first thing we learned about Miru is that she's extremely loyal <=> and extremely jealous.
//A great personality dynamic for a sex game, when you'll need to have sex with a bunch of people.
Why not convey it in a sex scene?
I'm sure even you - not a writer - can easily imagine a great dynamic sex scene, through which we learn about that side of her personality.

That goes for every part of every character.
If you were to write a horror - you'll be highlighting the most important parts of your characters during the horror scenes. Or else your horror scenes would be just empty jump-scares.
And if you were to write a sex game...

Well, I was mostly replying to the comment that the worst thing in the games were the sex scenes. They're actually pretty good. They're better than models changing body shape and size, and inconsistent timelines that cause plot holes. To my mind the worst problems are not the sex scenes. I know Ocean can write them well, but so far there's been nothing other than contented sex in the couple's safe territory. I don' expect that will remain for much longer. I also think it exists as safe and vanillia so that players feel guilty if they start cheating on Miru, to build up the sense of tension, and also to push both Miru and Willi into sexual exploration. In this sense, some bland/cheesy romantic lines would help that hit home.

But what if Ocean wants the scenes currently to be bland, so Willi feels very excited when he starts cheating and getting all this attention and connection from other LI's? Miru's need to punish William for wanting to go sharing is also obvious once we get to the end of Ch3. I think it's currently in context to lead somewhere, and Ocean's extablishing a sense of false security.

About the generic dialogue, all I was saying is that Ocean so far as avoided bad AVN sex writing, which keeps the scenes from being the worst part of the game. Helen and Leia's fluctuating body shape is. They can be large and that's fine. JUst keep them the same shape....

 

[LHDLLB]

What I am about to write is totally personal, but it may be a shared opinion. The difference I notice with Miru is the existence or not of the NTR. What I mean, in the old WIAB there was already the doctor at the beginning, so Miru's sexual needs were palpable, so the construction of the sexual scenes rested almost exclusively on her, although it is a rushed construction, it was useful. And precisely the scene in the gym or in the pool have that same vibe, the vibe of being Miru who builds the scene and it's more than “let's fuck? mmmm... mmmm... ok"

I think you might be right , although I am not a NTR fan it helped to convey Miru urges, I would point out that the game still does that, if you don't fuck Miru she has different dialogues and we get the bathroom scene. I prefer the new approach but I can see how the older made the point clearer. I also agree that the better part of the two scenes is Miru who builds -iniciantes- it but the difference is that William is way more participant, both at the start of the game and the good night fun William don't much engages in the act as let Miru get her release, that is why I think the scenes are more tepid now, what I would like to see is William more participant in the scene.

 

[LHDLLB]

No, that's why it's so frustrating.
He knows how to write sexual tension between characters. How to write dynamic dialogue - with layers and possibilities - when characters don't say what they mean, or when their strong personalities get highlighted through their speech and actions.
He can write it. He does write it.
He just doesn't do it for sex scenes.

For example:
The first thing we learned about Miru is that she's extremely loyal <=> and extremely jealous.
//A great personality dynamic for a sex game, when you'll need to have sex with a bunch of people.
Why not convey it in a sex scene?
I'm sure even you - not a writer - can easily imagine a great dynamic sex scene, through which we learn about that side of her personality.

That goes for every part of every character.
If you were to write a horror - you'll be highlighting the most important parts of your characters during the horror scenes. Or else your horror scenes would be just empty jump-scares.
And if you were to write a sex game...

I can and I am sure Ocean does as well, but the game did not reach the point where a scene like this would make sense story wise, William only got home 3 days ago, even the most chad of AVNs MC could not build a harem in this time frame. I am sure that we will have scene where this aspects are gonna be explored but is just way to early for that, let the man cook.

Well, I was mostly replying to the comment that the worst thing in the games were the sex scenes. They're actually pretty good. They're better than models changing body shape and size, and inconsistent timelines that cause plot holes. To my mind the worst problems are not the sex scenes. I know Ocean can write them well, but so far there's been nothing other than contented sex in the couple's safe territory. I don' expect that will remain for much longer. I also think it exists as safe and vanillia so that players feel guilty if they start cheating on Miru, to build up the sense of tension, and also to push both Miru and Willi into sexual exploration. In this sense, some bland/cheesy romantic lines would help that hit home.

But what if Ocean wants the scenes currently to be bland, so Willi feels very excited when he starts cheating and getting all this attention and connection from other LI's? Miru's need to punish William for wanting to go sharing is also obvious once we get to the end of Ch3. I think it's currently in context to lead somewhere, and Ocean's extablishing a sense of false security.

About the generic dialogue, all I was saying is that Ocean so far as avoided bad AVN sex writing, which keeps the scenes from being the worst part of the game. Helen and Leia's fluctuating body shape is. They can be large and that's fine. JUst keep them the same shape....

I completely agree with the feeling of the scenes being intentional and it honestly makes perfect sense story and character wise, that still don't make it good or fun scenes, I would not say they are bad... but they are tepid, aside from the gym one. About the open relationship, yeah it did felt like Miru punishing William and I am curious to see how this branch evolves if you keep Miru satisfied versus shoot her down every time. Miru never wanted the open relationship thing, and there is the no list.

 

[abirvg]

I can and I am sure Ocean does as well, but the game did not reach the point where a scene like this would make sense story wise, William only got home 3 days ago, even the most chad of AVNs MC could not build a harem in this time frame. I am sure that we will have scene where this aspects are gonna be explored but is just way to early for that, let the man cook.

He doesn't need a harem to make Miru jealous.
They already talked about how she 'threw a chair at his female friend for being too close to him'. Just make that scene a reality => then make frustrated Miru suplex William into the bed => then make him tease her about "It's normal. You'll do the same with a male friend." => at which she'll go ballistic - "Fuck no!" - and she will make it the angriest fuck of their life.

That will show both her jealousy and - the last part - her extreme definition of loyalty.
Profit.

//It's just an example, of course. There could be trillions of variations.
//But you don't need a harem to show Miru's character.

 

[Mortarion]

In one of a older

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about the release of WIAB Ch1, Ocean has written, that he has no experience in creating lewd animations.



That may be the reason why the h-scenes with Miru feel weird, he's still learning...

And I have to agree that some of the normal scenes in both games are waaaaaay more arousing than the simple hammering of Mirus poor little muffin. Ocean can write sex erotic scenes, the first one that comes into my mind is the scene where Bella frees Nika from the the handcuffs in the female locker room. At least from my perception is this scene hotter than all in scenes.

 

[BobTheDuck]

He doesn't need a harem to make Miru jealous.
They already talked about how she 'threw a chair at his female friend for being too close to him'. Just make that scene a reality => then make frustrated Miru suplex William into the bed => then make him tease her about "It's normal. You'll do the same with a male friend." => at which she'll go ballistic - "Fuck no!" - and she will make it the angriest fuck of their life.

That will show both her jealousy and - the last part - her extreme definition of loyalty.
Profit.

//It's just an example, of course. There could be trillions of variations.
//But you don't need a harem to show Miru's character.

I think it's still early for Miru's jealousy to be triggered. She doesn't know what kind of relationship Willi has with all the different women, but when she found out about Mon and when Willi started calling Dana by a nickname, she jumped to conclusions. So I think there will be those elements, it is just that the story is still at the point where Miru is content. I think the first big test will be Miru's trip, and her maybe coming back unexpected to notice something.

 

[sorco2003]

I think it's still early for Miru's jealousy to be triggered. She doesn't know what kind of relationship Willi has with all the different women, but when she found out about Mon and when Willi started calling Dana by a nickname, she jumped to conclusions. So I think there will be those elements, it is just that the story is still at the point where Miru is content. I think the first big test will be Miru's trip, and her maybe coming back unexpected to notice something.

Jealousy doesn't work that way... no matter what relationship you have with someone, if there is jealousy, there is jealousy.... What we can debate is whether Miru presents herself as jealous or not. On the one hand her reaction to Daphne may be an indication that she is a jealous person. Or can we consider that it is only with Daphne? That insecurity about the possibility of feelings being born between them, makes me very close to the feeling that Miru is jealous in general, despite their conversations (this always made me think that the open relationship option was presented too early in the story, rushed like the conversation with Zoey).

 

[LHDLLB]

He doesn't need a harem to make Miru jealous.
They already talked about how she 'threw a chair at his female friend for being too close to him'. Just make that scene a reality => then make frustrated Miru suplex William into the bed => then make him tease her about "It's normal. You'll do the same with a male friend." => at which she'll go ballistic - "Fuck no!" - and she will make it the angriest fuck of their life.

That will show both her jealousy and - the last part - her extreme definition of loyalty.
Profit.

//It's just an example, of course. There could be trillions of variations.
//But you don't need a harem to show Miru's character.

You missed my point, it was not about harem, it was that is too early to William engage in a sexual manner with anyone but Miru, half of the LIs hates him and the other half are already in a relationship when the two don't overlap. The only LI that don't hates William is available and wants to fuck him from the get go is Daphene and she is in another city. My point is that there is no way this scenario can happen at this point in the game, half of the LIs are/was William's kin, who would thought that their sister-in-law would want to fuck their husband ? Miru don't has reason to be jealousy, yet. I agree with you, am only saying that is too early to this type of scene happen.

In one of a older

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about the release of WIAB Ch1, Ocean has written, that he has no experience in creating lewd animations.

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That may be the reason why the h-scenes with Miru feel weird, he's still learning...

And I have to agree that some of the normal scenes in both games are waaaaaay more arousing than the simple hammering of Mirus poor little muffin. Ocean can write sex erotic scenes, the first one that comes into my mind is the scene where Bella frees Nika from the the handcuffs in the female locker room. At least from my perception is this scene hotter than all in scenes.

That is interesting bit of information. Personally I don't have a problem with the animations or even the erotica aspect, as I said my problem is that it feels tepid , because of a lack of participation from William. I think this is intentional, as the scenes follows the story and characters the scenes works well, they are just not much arrousing.