I was talking more about the incest question than the other half, I am not sure that Ocean will make things this crystal clear, specially after he changed the said devlog, more so if Leia still is a LI and even if she is not something happened in the past and they are related. I can not imagine how Ocean will walk this minefield, but I don't think we will have as clear answers as we might like.
Well, that assumes we know the plot. Finding out what Leia's doing illegally is something we had no knowledge of. It advances her character and motivations, and makes her calling William in some fashion rather suspect. We also see the fact she can reach William is probably due to Emilio and her own criminal empire she's building. So I'd say that the appearance of Emilio, the scenes with Leia at the club DO advance the plot. We simply don't know what is currently the important information, just like WIlliam. Even if I don't know about old Donna, her character creates some sense that something is off, that there are things happing surreptiously.
Well, that's exactly what we've been talking about since the log. WIAB was banned for incest, being that the new version only has sexual scenes with Miru, imagine what a “worried” anonymous consumer can do if he makes the connection between both stories...
Again, I don't really disagree with anything. Maybe we have different things in mind when talking about plot advancement. My original point was that Ch3 wasn't, in my view, more fast-paced than the other two regarding LIs' relationships. The plot did move, but not considered more fast than the others or in a significant matter; everything still is kinda the same as it was when the update started. We learn a few new things, advance a few more relationships, but nothing really changed. As you even said, we don't really know the plot yet or how those bits of information form a whole. I'm not saying it's bad; just that the pace has been consistent since the start. Each update we learn a little more and advance a little more, and Ch3 wasn't different. I don't see a reason why Ch4 would be.
You sadly may be quite right and she was cut as a LI. As maybe the only Leia fan on the thread I am quite sad with it.
I agree, but the question then becomes what is under the band-aid ? Is still a fresh wound that is healing or is a something that can be exposed with out fear of a infection ? - maybe the worse analogy ever - because Ocean had ripped the band-aid off and shortly after he put it back on. I don't know and we will only know once Ch4 comes out, maybe he dosent really wants to change his story or is not 100% sure of what alteration is the best. I am just have a feeling, after the change in the devlog, that this may not be as clear as we thought, at least reguarding Leia.
Beyond Leia and the retcon in the log. The reason is out of the story, even out of Ocean's hands. Every day that passes without cutting the ties that allow theorizing about possible incest in SG, is a day that some degenerate can report to Patreon and provide enough circumstantial evidence for the reviewers to put the page under review (and possibly ban).
I quite agree, and I do not know anything, I am just speculating, I am not saying that this or that will happen this way or that way. Just how some new information makes me to think on how he will handle some topics, is not like things are that much clear in SG either. I would prefer the band-aid off and now we have a new reality or we do not, I just am less sure if is really the route he will go.
How do you know she got cut. There is no confirmation, so I am pretty sure she is still a Li.
i have a good feeling three quarters of the characters in summers gone are in some way from the zane family.. in the end they will find out they all banged each other and are related lol.
I do not know, but it stand to reason that if his reason to change the relationship status of Helen, Kate, Kat, Scarlet and Dylan was to avoid problems he keeping Leia and William related may signify that she will no longer be a LI. Again I do not know anything I am just musing.
Very much doubt that, Ocean will not risk it, maybe before all the reworks it was a possibilite but if it once was I don't think it is anymore. Neither WiaB or SG will feature incest.
ever wonder why everything is so mysterious.. nothing ever explained . just sort a whisper in the wind . like william and liea.. are they related? are brother and sister? the entire VN is based william running away to avoid getting in trouble for dating liea his "friend".. sorry but this game is 100% based on incest . all of it
Yes, it has been like that from the beginning... but, after the ban on patreon, and the need to protect SG, many things could change... And that's the open debate, neither Steam nor SS ban incest, so the original story could be told without a "nothing related to dev" patch, but that would mean problems for SG patreon (currently the most consistent cash inflow for Ocean) if the WIAB story makes any SG character a child of incest or, even worse, the MC is related to any LI.
i totally understand money is behind the reasons the story is told the way it is but i fear that because of that it will eventually take away from the story. if it cant be written the way it was meant to be then how long will ocean want to make a VN that cant properly be told and just focus on SG because that is clearly the biggest money maker for him. which sucks because WIAB is the better story and the character's are just as good of not better than SG.. i fear eventually it will get abandoned or just postponed for a very long time. like right now waiting on a update because im sure SG has a much higher priority
I was looking for a post I wrote quite some time ago saying that I accept that WIAB is the “other” game, that it is not and will never be a priority.
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I believe that is true but at 1 update a year SG will probably go at least 5 to 7 years maybe more. Waiting until 2030 for WIAB to be a priority is a long time lol loooooooong timeI was looking for a post I wrote quite some time ago saying that I accept that WIAB is the “other” game, that it is not and will never be a priority.
In return I will answer you what Ocean always tells me “I will never abandon WIAB, no matter what happens, it will take as long as it has to take but I will not abandon it”.
And although we have had back and forth about many issues, I believe him (until I get depressed and go out to criticize him fiercely, that is, first I send him a DM with the same thing I'm going to write in public
