Dr.TSoni
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Unfortunately I suspect that this is one of those aspects that have been watered down by the remake.
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The_Man_With_No_Name
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Yeah I'm always afraid of what might happen. Ocean was an unorganized spaz with random jumps making the old build but he knew exactly what dynamics he wanted from characters. Hoping those won't get compromised.
Miru is way better, with Katie and Leia being pretty spot on so far so hope still stands. But he has been under a bit of pressure since his last releases so the fear of dynamics between characters watering down still lingers.
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BobTheDuck
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That's a lot to think about, thanks. I get your points, and don't disagree (yet). I thought it was clear W left because of the blackmail from Katie, but the timing is odd. He left after leaving Mon like that, when he realized he couldn't quit Leia, right?
Yeah, they were into shady shit, even more shady shit then connected teens normally do. All the siblings were raised very "hunger games", ultra-competitive, violent, and to see the world from a chess perspective, where you figure out the moves to make to achieve you goals. They're almost raised to be sociopaths, but still have a conscience (well, at least W and K do).
Dylan definitely caused the bad relationships between the kids, at least between L and K, W was more caught in the middle.
I'm not saying that this isn't the same in the new version, but it might not be. Katie might be blackmailing Willi over other things that we're yet to find out about. The old version didn't have Willi holding axes or Helen holding revolvers. Katie teasing Willi about Leia feels low intensity and casual compared to their talk after the pool scene. So the motivations for the new version might be different, and there might be no blackmail over Leia, but blackmail over revealing what Willi was doing elsewhere. Old version, Katie blackmailed Willi over kissing Leia, I don't think it will be so innocent this time, and it might not even be sexual. I mean, they carved the tree right? It's not like Katie's the only one who could find out - and there has to be a big reason for Helen's no guns thing, when she's packing, and Dylan has the rifle/shotgun can't remember which.
Maybe I just secretly want it to be a little more Tarantino, NaturalBorn Killers/Reservoir Dogs style.
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Don't be disappointed when the time comesI'm not saying that this isn't the same in the new version, but it might not be. Katie might be blackmailing Willi over other things that we're yet to find out about. The old version didn't have Willi holding axes or Helen holding revolvers. Katie teasing Willi about Leia feels low intensity and casual compared to their talk after the pool scene. So the motivations for the new version might be different, and there might be no blackmail over Leia, but blackmail over revealing what Willi was doing elsewhere. Old version, Katie blackmailed Willi over kissing Leia, I don't think it will be so innocent this time, and it might not even be sexual. I mean, they carved the tree right? It's not like Katie's the only one who could find out - and there has to be a big reason for Helen's no guns thing, when she's packing, and Dylan has the rifle/shotgun can't remember which.
Maybe I just secretly want it to be a little more Tarantino, NaturalBorn Killers/Reservoir Dogs style.
BobTheDuck
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Darn reaction limit. I won't be, because KATIEDon't be disappointed when the time comes
...but there better be some fisticuffs in both of Ocean's games, raise the blood pressure in other ways as well 
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Also, for those who thought that old bullying was extreme (locking someone in a cafe or decapitating a teddy bear), have you ever had siblings? That's not that extreme.
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You mean the bedroom with a dildo?Well, old version they hadn't, which was why Katie was really surprised when Willi got affectionate in the back of the van
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Ahhh, I was wrong, it's the lakside one where you've had the darkstar. Katie wants Willi to tell her that she tastes better than Leia, except Will thinks to himself "I haven't tasted Leia yet". That's what I was thinking of anyway.You mean the bedroom with a dildo?
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BobTheDuck Any news on discord regarding the possible retcon that was mentioned previously? Not sure what to think when we're this close to release and he hasn't expanded on that topic given it's a rather big chance to the game.
BobTheDuck
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I haven't seen anything more than the merest hints of anything. They have a rule not to discuss that subject. I think Ocean's intentionally wanting us to get hit by whatever he decided to do, like we're playing blind, for the first time.
Honestly, that's better than the cynicism and calluses we've grown while waiting. It'll be good to have surprises that hit like a ton of bricks.
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Hmmm...not even a hint of "you guys should maybe start a new save"?
I'm asking because I wasn't going to this time and it's prob gonna be the only required time to do so
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BobTheDuck
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I probably will anyway. Even if there's no changes, that chicken burger might lead to two very different paths. Or if the people who choose the NTR off path get 10 renders max or something.Hmmm...not even a hint of "you guys should maybe start a new save"?
I'm asking because I wasn't going to this time and it's prob gonna be the only required time to do so
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Where would i even get wiab without pirating nowadays? Subscribestar wants way too much personal information lol
yossa999
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yeah im from germany bro, that doesnt work for me (not to mention that avns on steam suck haaaaaaard anyway with only the full chapters ever being updated if ocean does it like most devs)
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GoG won't let you buy it in Germany either?
Damn thats works, awesome, thanks. I never found any avn there until this point but SG is there so i imagine Wiab will be too