VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Tremonia]

Less is often more!!

That's what he said!

 

[maroek]

I have to say, I hated old version Miru, but I quite like her new modeling. She looked like a dog back then and the moment William thinks "there's no future" I'd dump her ass on the curb, just because of her looks. But I have to admit, she being near William through thin and thick all those years was admirable, and she didn't deserve to be tossed aside.
Fortunately she look way way better now and no need to get rid of her. With all the "open relationship" talk, and giving birth to Ayua in the future... Yeah, she's a keeper now.

Leia... Well, I hate her tit style IRL and I hate her tit style in the game. That's that. I hate huge tits with nipples looking like semi-truck wheels. Other than that, she is rather on my nerves in the new game. I get why she's like that but still, she's the one who called and invited William. You called and William showed up. What more good will do you need?

Katie is a babe. Both physically and mentally. She's a looker both in WiaB and SG. She is also a pain in the butt brat, especially in the old WiaB.

 

[RNasc4444]

She looked like a dog back then

True and real. Yet I would still bite the bullet and do her before I'd ever touch Helen, Leia or Dana for example. So I agree with how you feel about Leia, physically speaking. Plus she is as vile as a grown up as she was as a child, not unlike the MC's of both games and of course Summer. I think Ocean's Universe needs more parents who spank their kids cuz these children are fucking horrid. Deplorable upbringings.

With all the "open relationship" talk, and giving birth to Ayua in the future...

I see absolutely no resemblance between Ayua and Miru tbh. So I'm guessing she's gonna end up being adopted too
I could see Adriana from the other game being her child though, she is the spitting image of young Miru.

Katie is a babe. Both physically and mentally. She's a looker both in WiaB and SG. She is also a pain in the butt brat, especially in the old WiaB.

Preach! Katie is 50% of the reason why I even play this. I leave her out of the "vile children club" because, much like Bella, her abrasive persona seems to be a direct consequence of her "siblings" bullying and shunning as kids. She seems rather kind and sweet to those who haven't wronged her.

 

[deadh30775n]

Why do I feel like this reworked wiab is shitter than the older one. The only good thing I found was the reworked model of miru which I could do without because she did nothing for me in both games.

 

[LHDLLB]

The thing with Leia and boobs in special is that Ocean had a near perfectly figured Leia in old Wiab ch. 6 and the first chapter of new Wiab. Her "twins" fitted her frame very well.
Then came chapter 2 with a laughable size increase not only for Leia, but others too. It is as if Ocean came across a model of Zeppelin LZ 126 and thought:"Groovy, the models need more Booooobies".

I will admit that I don't much notice models change, unless they are big one like Mila. Personally I don't see much difference between Leia chapter 1 to Leia chapter 3, and I am not turn off by her boobys or aurelas, I get that is not everybody taste - it is not mine either- but I just don't get the hate. For me boob is still boob.

 

[Turret]

Leia... Well, I hate her tit style IRL and I hate her tit style in the game. That's that. I hate huge tits with nipples looking like semi-truck wheels.

Absolutely agree, esp. when we see old ch.6/new ch.1 Leia´s boobs. As I said, her breasts were fitting sizewise for her frame and also had nipple-area fitting those tits. They were not small either, but nothing like the airship floats now "graceing" Leia, Helen, Mila, Daphne (just look at the "imprints" in her jacket), ....
Old Leia/new ch1 Leia

So I agree with how you feel about Leia, physically speaking. Plus she is as vile as a grown up as she was as a child, not unlike the MC's of both games and of course Summer. I think Ocean's Universe needs more parents who spank their kids cuz these children are fucking horrid. Deplorable upbringings.

I personally think that Ocean also went overboard in the new version when he made Willi/Leia the brutal twins they are. In old Wiab they were a lot more mischievious, not as callous as in the new one. And they also recognised the way they wronged Kati (even if in old WiaB they were a bit more justified as old Kati was insufferable)

I see absolutely no resemblance between Ayua and Miru tbh. So I'm guessing she's gonna end up being adopted too
I could see Adriana from the other game being her child though, she is the spitting image of young Miru.

There is some resemblance between Ayua and Miru, but I think you do not see it directly because Ayua obviously is rather close to "Aunti Leia" in the choice of her hair- and personal style. Which is one reason I think part of canon ending is Willi, Miru and Leia developing a close relationship and why one or two of Ayua´s mentioned cousins are more likely her halfsiblings.
Also I would not bet against one of her siblings being from e.g. a pornshot. (Considering this sideplot has some relevance)
Ayua/Leia

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Preach! Katie is 50% of the reason why I even play this. I leave her out of the "vile children club" because, much like Bella, her abrasive persona seems to be a direct consequence of her "siblings" bullying and shunning as kids. She seems rather kind and sweet to those who haven't wronged her.

And let's not forget that she ages like good wine

I personally think that Ocean also went overboard in the new version when he made Willi/Leia the brutal twins they are. In old Wiab they were a lot more mischievious, not as callous as in the new one. And they also recognised the way they wronged Kati (even if in old WiaB they were a bit more justified as old Kati was insufferable)

Ocean's new approach with the twins is strange at times he tries to make them less worse given that they now have a relationship with Katie who we go to in flashbacks or to William who tells of the plans they made together. On the other hand it makes them worse as with the traumas caused to Monica

 

[LHDLLB]

Absolutely agree, esp. when we see old ch.6/new ch.1 Leia´s boobs. As I said, her breasts were fitting sizewise for her frame and also had nipple-area fitting those tits. They were not small either, but nothing like the airship floats now "graceing" Leia, Helen, Mila, Daphne (just look at the "imprints" in her jacket), ....
Old Leia/new ch1 Leia
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Okay, now I see the difference. Chapter 1 is better! Also, Leia + Miru ending would be my canon but i don't think that Leia would be okay with it. I also don't think that Ocean will canonise the NTR by having Miru get a kid of a bull, my felling is that the canon will lead more to the sharing aspect of the open relationship rather than William gigachad or william the cuck.

 

[RNasc4444]

Leia, Helen, Mila, Daphne (just look at the "imprints" in her jacket)

Man don't ruin Daphne for me yet, please! The girl is gorgeous and from the little we've seen, her personality is right down my alley. If Ocean just makes her another fat tittied bimbo, I'm out! And there is only 3 other (relevant/main) girls I find actually attractive in the entire game

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I'm out! And there is only 3 other (relevant/main) girls I find actually attractive in the entire game

Which, knowing Ocean, is better not to reveal

Leia + Miru ending would be my canon

 

[Tremonia]

If Ocean just makes her another fat tittied bimbo, I'm out!

You know Ocean by now. His games take place in fat asses and titties bimbo land. Would the (most) models of his games living in the real world, they all were unfuckable because of serious back injuries which lead them straight into wheelchairs. Having sex would be a pain for them so they avoid it at all cost. As nice as his graphics are, the models aren't the best.

 

[LHDLLB]

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Sorry, I like Katie but I don't really get her appeal. I am here for Leia, Miru and Monica

 

[Turret]

Okay, now I see the difference. Chapter 1 is better! Also, Leia + Miru ending would be my canon but i don't think that Leia would be okay with it. I also don't think that Ocean will canonise the NTR by having Miru get a kid of a bull, my felling is that the canon will lead more to the sharing aspect of the open relationship rather than William gigachad or william the cuck.

It depends, I think if Willi and Leia reconcile and he tells her how Miru became such an important part of his life, Leia wil accept this. And if you decided on the "open relationship" stuff due to Miru´s very high sexdrive, I am sure the three will come to a "fullfilling" solution. I think this is already hinted at in SG with Ayua so close stylewise to her Auntie Leia, which would only be possible if Leia is a big part of her life.
I also estimate that Ayua having halfsiblings is near certain, since going by what we learned about them, Wili and Leia completely reconciling would also mean that Willi would be the father of not all, but at least 1-2 of Leia´s kids.

Man don't ruin Daphne for me yet, please! The girl is gorgeous and from the little we've seen, her personality is right down my alley. If Ocean just makes her another fat tittied bimbo, I'm out! And there is only 3 other (relevant/main) girls I find actually attractive in the entire game

I do not want to ruin her for you, but as I mentioned in earlier posts somehow Ocean became obssessed with mega tits! Most of the females in his games have busts of the size I find even a bit repulsive and I am sure most of them would go for reduction surgery in real life.

Sorry, I like Katie but I don't really get her appeal. I am here for Leia, Miru and Monica

Agree with you on this. I am in the game for Miru, Leia, Monica, Dana and Zoey, with Leia and Miru in the clear lead.

 

[RNasc4444]

Sorry, I like Katie but I don't really get her appeal. I am here for Leia, Miru and Monica

Oh shit! Shoutout for the Monica mention! Don't see that much around here. She used to be in my top 4 with Katie, Miru and Daphne but she got replaced by Katarina. In my first playthrough, Kat seemed as "bloated" as most of the cast but on the second one I kinda noticed she isn't as big as them. I'd say she's right on the edge of what I find attractive (as is Bella for example).

Nothng wrong with Mon though. She has brains and looks. That's a W!

 

[LHDLLB]

It depends, I think if Willi and Leia reconcile and he tells her how Miru became such an important part of his life, Leia wil accept this. And if you decided on the "open relationship" stuff due to Miru´s very high sexdrive, I am sure the three will come to a "fullfilling" solution. I think this is already hinted at in SG with Ayua so close stylewise to her Auntie Leia, which would only be possible if Leia is a big part of her life.
I also estimate that Ayua having halfsiblings is near certain, since going by what we learned about them, Wili and Leia completely reconciling would also mean that Willi would be the father of not all, but at least 1-2 of Leia´s kids.

Agree with you on this. I am in the game for Miru, Leia, Monica, Dana and Zoey, with Leia and Miru in the clear lead.

I honestly think that Leia would consider have Miru killed if she thought that Miru represents a threat to her and William relationship. Maybe Ocean is cooking something, but at this point in the story I can't see it.

About Ayua and Leia, is a interested take we have to wait and see. If Ayua is William daughter, is not crazy to imagine that although her looks are after Miru's side her personality follows William's and she has Leia as a role model.About her cousins being half siblings, is possible, but would Ocean want to canonise it ? I feel that the less he set in stone in SG better is to WiaB

Dana is fine, but not there for me. Zoey even less so. But Leia and Miru are top tier

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Sorry, I like Katie but I don't really get her appeal. I am here for Leia, Miru and Monica

All together?

Damn! No one can accuse you of lacking courage and ambition

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I'm kinda glad Ocean isn't here anymore. All this talk about the new models... I fear he might try and do another remake

I'm also not a huge fan of big ass/big tits... especially when so exaggerated and there being little to no body type diversity.

But at least Miru and Katie are

 

[LHDLLB]

Oh shit! Shoutout for the Monica mention! Don't see that much around here. She used to be in my top 4 with Katie, Miru and Daphne but she got replaced by Katarina. In my first playthrough, Kat seemed as "bloated" as most of the cast but on the second one I kinda noticed she isn't as big as them. I'd say she's right on the edge of what I find attractive (as is Bella for example).

Nothng wrong with Mon though. She has brains and looks. That's a W!

Yeah, Mon is kinda forgot in the fandom. I think that is lack of screen time, but Monica is beautiful. Kat is good, but I need to see more of her

 

[Turret]

I honestly think that Leia would consider have Miru killed if she thought that Miru represents a threat to her and William relationship. Maybe Ocean is cooking something, but at this point in the story I can't see it.

About Ayua and Leia, is a interested take we have to wait and see. If Ayua is William daughter, is not crazy to imagine that although her looks are after Miru's side her personality follows William's and she has Leia as a role model.About her cousins being half siblings, is possible, but would Ocean want to canonise it ? I feel that the less he set in stone in SG better is to WiaB

Dana is fine, but not there for me. Zoey even less so. But Leia and Miru are top tier

While I agree that Leia would target anyone endangering her relationship with Willi, we already saw in chapter 2 with the martial arts fight that Miru gained a bit of respect from Leia. And if Miru and Willi came together roughly in the same way or style as in old Wiab, Miru and Leia can become really close.

As for Ayua, for quite some time Ayua in SG is rendered clearly towards Leia in style, dress, makeup. Just a few examples with Leia to compare.




I doubt this choice would be made without Leia being a part of Ayua´s life. This would also mean Willi, Miru and Leia having found some togetherness which functions. As for some of her cousins being her halfsiblings, I think Ocean would circumscribe it, hint at it in SG to leave himself some wriggle room, but going by what we know about the characters this would happen.

 

[LHDLLB]

While I agree that Leia would target anyone endangering her relationship with Willi, we already saw in chapter 2 with the martial arts fight that Miru gained a bit of respect from Leia. And if Miru and Willi came together roughly in the same way or style as in old Wiab, Miru and Leia can become really close.

As for Ayua, for quite some time Ayua in SG is rendered clearly towards Leia in style, dress, makeup. Just a few examples with Leia to compare.
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I doubt this choice would be made without Leia being a part of Ayua´s life. This would also mean Willi, Miru and Leia having found some togetherness which functions. As for some of her cousins being her halfsiblings, I think Ocean would circumscribe it, hint at it in SG to leave himself some wriggle room, but going by what we know about the characters this would happen.

You mean if Miru and William meet each other while he was in prison ? I think this still is the case. I also think that Leia will come to accept whoever William - the player- come to choose. And no manner how much I want, I still cant see Leia + Miru, hope me proven wrong though.

About Ayuvya. I can see the similarities, I just don't think that it necessarily means Miru + Leia. Leia could come to accept Miru but this does not mean sharing with Miru, or she does accepts only Ayua as she is part of William but does not Miru, there is more than one way to explain Leia influences on Ayua.

You Are right, Ocean could maintain the vagueness. Is just that after a certain point is tiresome, a definition to a story is good, even if it is one that I don't like