VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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BobTheDuck

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Yeah, this are the question I asked myself. I understand wanting a drama free development and he is looking at year of his life. Imagine having WiaB pulled out of Steam in Ch 15 or something, I really, really don't fault him here. I just can not understand the reason of make Helen his almost mother, be she being his guardian or something like that. Better if she is nothing of the like and he changes what need to be changed to the new reality. The ambiguity, the wink wink, the landlady and tutor or anything like this is just noise. Lets wait and see.

So Monica did existed back then ? Maybe I should play it paying more attention. Thought that Mon was a brand new character. I guess she was like old Kat, show and gone. Was hoping for some clue to her character as I find her the most interesting after Leia.
Well, we can't understand the reason without seeing Ch4, and maybe not even then fully. He did say it had major story implications, and the further the game went, the greater the impact of this change. This is why I think it is not solely a sanitisation effort. He spoke about making one particular relationship develop more naturally.

Monica had that one scene I think, but Cecilia (Abigail's niece, not Sedila) and even Ronda had a gallery page, while Mon didn't. Maybe Ocean just decided to reboot her character as she was someone WIlliam knew from school days also. THinking abstract, if Ocean rebooted Mon, maybe we'll see Sedila as Asavera, also with rival angel wing earrings. That'd put the Nami earring theories in a spin, while promoting the idea that the Zane family are keeping tabs on Nami...

Just random conjecture with zero proof today. :coffee::whistle:

I know he is a AVN dev and I don't think most are handsome guys. But if Ocean is a fat fuck I will be disappointed, going by how much he talks about gym and exercise I think we can be more charitable. Maybe he is the blonde dude ?
It could also be self mockery. He's probably quite secure with his own body image, and is just having fun blowing himself up like he did with Helen.
 
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John972

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Ohhh the good old times, when you hit a punch like this and your thumb dont break, today Wiiliam is crystal generation, one punch and his hand break in thousand pieces! :cautious:
That in line with that action movie trope. The hero gets beaten to a pulp by a gang of villains without so much as a whimper or a scream, but ultimately prevails against overwhelming odds. The severely injured hero then goes home to his LI, who treats the wounds. The moment the LI touches the hero's wounds, the hero goes, "Ahhh!"
 

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That in line with that action movie trope. The hero gets beaten to a pulp by a gang of villains without so much as a whimper or a scream, but ultimately prevails against overwhelming odds. The severely injured hero then goes home to his LI, who treats the wounds. The moment the LI touches the hero's wounds, the hero goes, "Ahhh!"
Is that trope called adrenaline ? :Kappa:
 

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People on the Discord and Steam maybe? I mean, it's okay to have curvy girls too, Emily in the old WiAB was far from a fit-cutie, but changing the existed, recognizable and establised characters not the best idea, it's like changing an actor in the middle of the movie. Alhough I have nothing against the new Dana, especially if there will be an option to make her fit again. :giggle:
Very much this, but Ocean should remember that many fans on the internet have fringe or specific interests, changing established character designs simply because a couple of fans will hurt more in the long run than do good. I doubt I would go for WIAB if I ran across it today. I loath these overlarge, lowest of porn bolt-ons which now "grace" e.g. Leia, Helen, Mila(SG) and most other female characters have a visible size-creep towards these sizes.

But censoring female body types in general, like you guys are trying to do, seems completely ridiculous to me. Don't you think what you don't like, other people might. There are dudes who call any girl under 5'7 a shrimp. Honestly, I don't give a shit about their opinions or their tastes. I find petite girls quite attractive. Should I harass Ocean for making all the girls in the game except Miru a herd of giraffes? :KEK:
Pardon, but you are on the woodway here. I do not advocate for censoring/banning certain body types, but I loath a dev suddenly changing well-established characters to conform to some fringe porn-fantasy idea.
 

Allenebs

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In SG, Ocean left some dialogue in there that still acts like a nod, nod, wink, wink.

Nika is asked TWICE why Cheeto is a redhead.
Inference isn't admission. You're also acting like it's abnormal for Nika to give people a non-answer. That's literally his thing, and as you point out yourself, Ocean's as well. Neither will give you a direct answer because... they don't have to. You're also ignoring the times he expressly states that they are NOT related, that they were both orphaned at the same age. Proving, again, that Nika only tells people what he wants them to know, when HE wants them to know it.

As to suing the payment processors? You can always sue. There's always a chance you can win, even if you're making shit up as you go. Not saying he wins, don't think he would, not even sure where this is coming from... if there was anything I was trying to point at, it was that the platforms ToS's mean jack and shit. And I don't think I was making that argument here. Simply, the platforms ToS protect the PLATFORM, but not those that wouldn't even qualify as contractors.
 

Allenebs

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What you can't argue against is that the game up to this point was literally based around family dynamics.
Yes and no. I'd certainly agree that Helen seems to hold a motherly role to these characters, but that's not uncommon among groups of friends and their parents. One parent does tend to end up spending far more time with the kids than the rest and comes to fill that role for the whole group. Katie and Leia? I don't think Leia has been defined well enough to conclude anything beyond her personality. There is certainly an emotional carryover from the original between William and Leia and William and Katie. There is still plenty of room for even that to be completely changed though. He just can't keep putting it off bc this isn't SG and Nika openly addresses it in the first or second chapter of SG. Meaning, of the two stories, he's done the least to protect the one that got nuked from getting nuked again.

And, ya, I'm forced to question whether Ocean has the writing ability to make this work. He was ambiguous enough without being too ambiguous in SG (for sane people), but none of that was ever present here. I think too many people are stuck in their head canon of what was originally expected in the original to look at the new one objectively. For example, all this talk about the importance of the Zane bloodline. I've yet to see a single example in either game of how it is important to the story. Instead, it's always some etherical storyline that is intended and yet has never come to fruition. Meaning Ocean could easily be talking out of his ass with people gobbling it up. And if I were him, I'd certainly be directing people away from where I plan to go w/ the story. Personally, idc about spoilers, but a LOT of people do. And if he's giving away his own story for free with as little nudity as there is in his games, he has no product left to sell.
 

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Yes and no. I'd certainly agree that Helen seems to hold a motherly role to these characters, but that's not uncommon among groups of friends and their parents. One parent does tend to end up spending far more time with the kids than the rest and comes to fill that role for the whole group. Katie and Leia? I don't think Leia has been defined well enough to conclude anything beyond her personality. There is certainly an emotional carryover from the original between William and Leia and William and Katie. There is still plenty of room for even that to be completely changed though. He just can't keep putting it off bc this isn't SG and Nika openly addresses it in the first or second chapter of SG. Meaning, of the two stories, he's done the least to protect the one that got nuked from getting nuked again.

And, ya, I'm forced to question whether Ocean has the writing ability to make this work. He was ambiguous enough without being too ambiguous in SG (for sane people), but none of that was ever present here. I think too many people are stuck in their head canon of what was originally expected in the original to look at the new one objectively. For example, all this talk about the importance of the Zane bloodline. I've yet to see a single example in either game of how it is important to the story. Instead, it's always some etherical storyline that is intended and yet has never come to fruition. Meaning Ocean could easily be talking out of his ass with people gobbling it up. And if I were him, I'd certainly be directing people away from where I plan to go w/ the story. Personally, idc about spoilers, but a LOT of people do. And if he's giving away his own story for free with as little nudity as there is in his games, he has no product left to sell.
I swear to God this will be the last time I talk about it. So your interpretation is that Helen is the mother figure of a group of friends ? Like Helen is the mother of Katie who was friend with Leia and William and became a mother figure to the other two ? About SG, I really don't see how it is a standard to anything. SG does not make any sense if you take it at face value, none.

Again, I can't see how SG makes sense. But this is not the point. Of course people are stuck with their headcanon, this is the most normal reaction, and until now Ocean did little dissuade people of that. Just to be clear. You think that WiaB until now was not written as a IC game ? Regarding bloodlines, I think Ocean once called it Zaneverse, and is not a wild thing imagine that the first protagonist of the first game and his action will be importance to the entire universe. But I agree that it is not supported by the story in any way. I really hope that Ocean did not lied to his audience, is the worst thing a storyteller could do.
 
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