VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[UncleFredo]

With the availability of a mac release I've had a chance to play the reboot.

Ocean - What a masterpiece!

Knowing that the original might go away, I downloaded it and played the initial portions again, so despite my aging memory it's fresh in my mind.

This is NOT the same game with better visuals. The writing is vastly improved. Yes they still end up at Helen's and Duane's but the interaction is completely different and far more engaging. Dialog is undoubtedly the most difficult part of writing, and the dialog in this rework is so much better that it simply can't be compared. The relationships it conveys are deeper and more reflective. The feel and flow of this work bears little relationship to the original.

All the visual aspects are incredible. But I've always been a "story guy". No matter how good the visuals, ff the story isn't there I have a hard time getting excited. As amazing as the visuals are, the story more than stands up. Ocean, you've not just dramatically improved your various technical skills, IMHO your writing has improved as much if not more.

SG is a top notch game, but I always like WIAB more. You've elevated one of my favorites to an entirely new plain.

 

[haksor]

3 years old game and we...

 

[Hadley]

Why a Rework? This Game was fine...

 

[oidex]

maybe Ocean or perhaps someone kind enough can make the new I-patch so that the game become much more realistic than what now.

Looking at the script, the content just isn't in there, so a simple all-versions-file which just sets a switch won't do. Oceanlab will have to release the script files for each release separately, if he does at all.

Also, Oceanlab Servus ausm Ösiland. Im Archiv sind noch deutsche Ordner. "Verschiedenes" mit einer 0 bytes LewdR.rpy und "Benutzerdefiniert". Könnte man vielleicht noch "ein-englischen"

 

[mannice431]

"Where It All Began" is what i'm gonna be telling my fucking grandkids by 2045 when this game is at v0.4.

 

[bluehound36]

Unlikely, to be honest. Now he has to put out the SG update, and those take eternity. Besides, what, it is second time he is remaking this game?

I like Ocean, but I wish he was completionist, not perfections. If it keeps going this way, he isn't going to finish any of his projects.

Can't wait for the next remake..

I'm once again asking if this game will only get 0.1 worth of content or will that chapter include reworked stuff till 0.6 because the foundation is already there so taking a year for just 0.1 is too little as most of hard work was done till 0.6 the story wouldn't be changed to that much extent to warrant 1 year work for lil 0.1.

rework of from another rework? ehhh? how many reworks?

He is remaking it again and again, instead of saying "okey, let's skip the start and make new, better content now to finish this story". Every remake is waste of time that could have been used to create actually new content. Sometimes it is worth it, most of the time it is not.

The IT has a very simple rule - NEVER START FROM SCRATCH, it never pays off. I wish game developers learned it.

I'll stop there, there are just too many making these same valid points that make me question the purpose for this game being remade again. Will he make it to 0.6 on this one before remaking it again? People seriously need to quit lauding these devs that do this shit simply to milk more money out of their patrons. Spent all these years "remaking" just the 0.1 version rather than the entire point up to 0.6 of the old version? I guess some people on here will let just about anything fly so long as they get updated character models and art. I might come back to this if he makes it past 0.6 on this remake to say 0.9 perhaps. I expect that'll be a few years though. Dude seriously needs to learn to finish what he starts. I really didn't see what was wrong with the previous version either, he actually was doing a rather good job after remaking it the first time.

 

[SerHawkes]

Why a Rework? This Game was fine...

At the time, of the build, the game was using old renders, until a certain point when the past renders didn't match the new renders, as well as the story having inconsitencies with Miru and other things, hence the Rework.

That all said, while visually and storyly sound, the constances of typos and puntuations, along with the super long Dev time, kills this game. At best, rather than work two games, OL should mainly focus on ONE game. I get that he wants to work on two, and by process over work his PCs and then announce needing to upgrade/had computer issues, but really, 8-10 months, if not more for this and Summers Gone just to update really looses fans and hype for the game. And I'm not alone in thinking that. This game, and Summers Gone, have promise and potential to be unique and amazing games character and story wise, but the long wait for updates kills it.

 

[modo200]

man we really waited almost 2 fucking years for 20-30 min update ?! i can't deny the quality of the remake (renders & the story especially Miru i love here new look and personalityshe's perfect ) but fuck me that was short as hell . anyway good luck mate you gonna need it .

 

[puckme]

thanks for the update i'm eager to check it out

 

[Zuschauer]

wow, amazing rework!

 

[Joshua Tree]

At the time, of the build, the game was using old renders, until a certain point when the past renders didn't match the new renders, as well as the story having inconsitencies with Miru and other things, hence the Rework.

That all said, while visually and storyly sound, the constances of typos and puntuations, along with the super long Dev time, kills this game. At best, rather than work two games, OL should mainly focus on ONE game. I get that he wants to work on two, and by process over work his PCs and then announce needing to upgrade/had computer issues, but really, 8-10 months, if not more for this and Summers Gone just to update really looses fans and hype for the game. And I'm not alone in thinking that. This game, and Summers Gone, have promise and potential to be unique and amazing games character and story wise, but the long wait for updates kills it.

Just proves as a creator you should have the story and all the ducks in a row from the start. To many seems to start with a general idea, and then make it up as they go along. Makes for terrible story telling in the end with plot holes and twists that doesn't make sense.

 

[SerHawkes]

man we really waited almost 2 fucking years for 20-30 min update ?! i can't deny the quality of the remake (renders & the story especially Miru i love here new look and personalityshe's perfect ) but fuck me that was short as hell . anyway good luck mate you gonna need it .

More like 15 minutes of content.
And while Miru and MC look much better, and the handling of an open relationship is addressed better, the big crime is tht we didn't get to see Katie. -RAGES-

 

[SerHawkes]

Just proves as a creator you should have the story and all the ducks in a row from the start. To many seems to start with a general idea, and then make it up as they go along. Makes for terrible story telling in the end with plot holes and twists that doesn't make sense.

Yes and no. OL had a general sense for the story, yet assumably seeing how fans kept bringing up the inconsistencies with Miru, along with the better renders OL started to have, naturally things do change and a overhaul can take place.

 

[AnimeHentaiGamer]

oh no a rework lol. the game wasnt even that far in

 

[Bolero]

Awesome rework, good choice to do it all from the beginning. Amazing quality, as expected for everyone that played Summers gone.

 

[troll822]

I haven't played the original in years and when I did, I didn't go very far. It wasn't that I didn't like it, BTW, it was the feeling that "oh oh, I have too much to catch up to..."

A restart seems a good place to start.

How frequently could we expect updates to this?
How much content there is in this?

Can someone update the tags in the OP as I doubt all these are within the 0.1.

 

[sora21345]

why did they restart it?

 

[SirAlexander111]

why did they restart it?

To justify the title "where it all began"

 

[UncleFredo]

Nice job folks.
It appears that Ocean has abandoned this forum.
Edit:
To my growing group of face palmers. I wanted to send a PM to Ocean and was unable to find any trace of his account or prior posts here. If I'm wrong, rather than facepalm me please provide a link to his account and assist me in my efforts. Otherwise, please explain how my initial comment is wrong.

Seriously. I welcome any information to assist me in messaging Ocean.

Edit:
My inability to find Ocean was apparently due to my own incompetence, since he was nice enough to reply to this comment. Some days you're the hammer other days the nail.

 

[Arthoneceron]

Okay, apart from Jason Momoa's MC, which I'm personally not a fan, everything else is great. The animations are stellar, renders were really cool, the story seems more direct and motivations seems clearer.