VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Maviarab]

You got me now thinking the Fed mole could be Taylor (?Tyla?I forget her name), the girl who gave William the tour. She's new, and she pulled that stunt by diffusing a fight with only words, and she had that "I'm a pacifist" bit. That "recruitement" incident could've been staged.

I can totally see a thing where Ocean has us buddying up to (and diddling) her, only to then find out she's an undercover cop.

I like Taylor....she can be whataver the hell she wants as far as I'm concerned lol.

 

[UncleFappy]

I like Taylor....she can be whataver the hell she wants as far as I'm concerned lol.

Yeah, I like her too. I cracked up when Leia smeared the cum all over her face.

And she's so worried the whole time about fucking up. Meanwhile William is just "yeah, you better be worried, I'm so retarded even I don't know what insane shit I might do."

 

[LHDLLB]

I know sir, I can handle the teasing. I mean I've played Ocean's games a lot right? Builds fortitude.

I don't disagree, but I also don't see it as the end of the road. I see how it can be improved. A puzzel that is just the edges is never the full picture. Ocean didn't handle the exposition well, but adding enough pieces down the line can change a lot of our perception.

I personally hope he rewrites classier dialogues. No changing them to be different, just making them clearer and consistent. That with a few more jigsaw pieces...

...and holy shit! Sex with someone other than Miru!!! He drops that in, and suddenly at least 50% of the current complainers Willi cum plain on her, who ever it is.

Edit and yes, the gravitas, that's better than they way I mentioned Willi's regret - the sense that there are consequences. And part of that is giving the players more agency.

While I fully agree that it is not the end of the road and more updates can improve in this foundation. I am left to wonder how well it can feasible be, at least if Ocean insist in some plotlines. William as the last heir of his family as a example. Maybe he has a good enough reasons but I can't understand why it would be this end world event if Willia fucked Leia or Kate, is not like they are not fucking other people, só why this match is só problematic ? At the same time that groping Helen tits is not a problem, Helen is still marriage and Dylan is the head of the family, even if Helen effectively runs it.

There are more, much more, that creates the sense of things not fitting as it should be, but going forward those are the more proeminent one. Why William and Leia are so valuable assets if their family were wipe out and why William can't fuck them. Those two things need not only to make sense but be as well incorporated in the story as the incest was or things will always feel a little off. And those things are more easy said than done.

 

[LHDLLB]

Probably something to do with the fact that the Zanes in Wollust aren't led by Dylan, the woman who married into the family run them.

I don't think so.

You got me now thinking the Fed mole could be Taylor (?Tyla?I forget her name), the girl who gave William the tour. She's new, and she pulled that stunt by diffusing a fight with only words, and she had that "I'm a pacifist" bit. That "recruitement" incident could've been staged.

I can totally see a thing where Ocean has us buddying up to (and diddling) her, only to then find out she's an undercover cop.

I don't know, would bet on either Riri or one of the Serpants. Taylor is just a Bibi.

I like Taylor....she can be whataver the hell she wants as far as I'm concerned lol.

I am ready to let the world burn for Taylor

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I don't think so.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility, in that kind of environment a wife who walks all over you is not well regarded.

 

[UncleFappy]

I don't know, would bet on either Riri or one of the Serpants. Taylor is just a Bibi.

Mebbe, mebbe. So far the only information from the mole that we've seen is that Leia and William are not on good terms. Something all the girls would know by now.

If the mole has been there for a long while, then yeah, probably one of the Ladies or Serpents. But I think its wholly possible for it to be one of the Bibis and just newly inserted.

Riri is honestly not that bad an option too, considering she gave the go-ahead for William touring the club. Without checking with Leia or getting her permission. Letting a wildcard like William loose in the club might have been a play of some sort.

 

[sorco2003]

While I fully agree that it is not the end of the road and more updates can improve in this foundation. I am left to wonder how well it can feasible be, at least if Ocean insist in some plotlines. William as the last heir of his family as a example. Maybe he has a good enough reasons but I can't understand why it would be this end world event if Willia fucked Leia or Kate, is not like they are not fucking other people, só why this match is só problematic ? At the same time that groping Helen tits is not a problem, Helen is still marriage and Dylan is the head of the family, even if Helen effectively runs it.

There are more, much more, that creates the sense of things not fitting as it should be, but going forward those are the more proeminent one. Why William and Leia are so valuable assets if their family were wipe out and why William can't fuck them. Those two things need not only to make sense but be as well incorporated in the story as the incest was or things will always feel a little off. And those things are more easy said than done.

For it to make any sense, you first have to accept facts that you wouldn't otherwise accept. Helen is free to do as she pleases because, as you rightly say, she is the one who runs the business and is de facto the head of the “family”... she can do as she pleases, and having lovers is all too common; you have to see it as medieval nobility.
And continuing with the pacts of disbelief, accepting that, at least until now, Katie and Leia are tokens, and that their value lay in being bargaining chips, but even more so, accepting that William was the impediment, since he could not provide anything beneficial, without a royal family and marked by misfortune.

 

[LHDLLB]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility, in that kind of environment a wife who walks all over you is not well regarded.

Is a possible. I would think that a man só weak as to have his wife walk over him would be much more looked down on this world. Either way I don't think Ocean wants to make gender comentary in his porn games.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Is a possible. I would think that a man só weak as to have his wife walk over him would be much more looked down on this world. Either way I don't think Ocean wants to make gender comentary in his porn games.

You're probably right, but that way Ocean would save himself from having to come up with new intrigues that could backfire on him.

 

[byaaahh]

Is a possible. I would think that a man só weak as to have his wife walk over him would be much more looked down on this world. Either way I don't think Ocean wants to make gender comentary in his porn games.

It's not farfetched to believe in a game that sexualizes women, a mafioso would look down on one of their own siblings playing second fiddle to his wife.

 

[demonking69:(]

is there any patch for incest
i dont like the mob thing

 

[sorco2003]

is there any patch for incest
i dont like the mob thing

no

 

[LHDLLB]

Mebbe, mebbe. So far the only information from the mole that we've seen is that Leia and William are not on good terms. Something all the girls would know by now.

If the mole has been there for a long while, then yeah, probably one of the Ladies or Serpents. But I think its wholly possible for it to be one of the Bibis and just newly inserted.

Riri is honestly not that bad an option too, considering she gave the go-ahead for William touring the club. Without checking with Leia or getting her permission. Letting a wildcard like William loose in the club might have been a play of some sort.

At the moment the mole could be anyone. It depends on with direction the story will go.

For it to make any sense, you first have to accept facts that you wouldn't otherwise accept. Helen is free to do as she pleases because, as you rightly say, she is the one who runs the business and is de facto the head of the “family”... she can do as she pleases, and having lovers is all too common; you have to see it as medieval nobility.
And continuing with the pacts of disbelief, accepting that, at least until now, Katie and Leia are tokens, and that their value lay in being bargaining chips, but even more so, accepting that William was the impediment, since he could not provide anything beneficial, without a royal family and marked by misfortune.

I mean, I acceppet them. It just goes against the others informations the story provides me. William can not suck Katke tittes but can grope Helen honkers.

But still he is seem as valuable enough asset to me spared as a child

 

[BobTheDuck]

Probably something to do with the fact that the Zanes in Wollust aren't led by Dylan, the woman who married into the family run them.

I like this take. Helens not on speaking terms with some, Dylan the others. Something is splitting the Zanes, and it's to do with Dylan and Helen most likely. I think it's two things - as you say, Helen isn't actually the Zane blood. The other thing that would split the family ...is taking in Willi and Leia. Remember where Scarlet said "if it wasn't for a few good people that night, you'd have been drowned ina bath tub"? I bet that Helen and Dylan were the "few good people".

You got me now thinking the Fed mole could be Taylor (?Tyla?I forget her name), the girl who gave William the tour. She's new, and she pulled that stunt by diffusing a fight with only words, and she had that "I'm a pacifist" bit. That "recruitement" incident could've been staged.

I can totally see a thing where Ocean has us buddying up to (and diddling) her, only to then find out she's an undercover cop.

Mebbe, mebbe. So far the only information from the mole that we've seen is that Leia and William are not on good terms. Something all the girls would know by now.

If the mole has been there for a long while, then yeah, probably one of the Ladies or Serpents. But I think its wholly possible for it to be one of the Bibis and just newly inserted.

Riri is honestly not that bad an option too, considering she gave the go-ahead for William touring the club. Without checking with Leia or getting her permission. Letting a wildcard like William loose in the club might have been a play of some sort.

Why not Emilio? It can be any one of them. Also, remember that Emilio and Riri forced Leia's hand - she wasn't going to call Willi about Helen at all. That was just her excuse. Emilio and Riri got her to get Willi back. They have their reasons, but who ARE they to have their own reasons? The other thing about the bibi's - keep an eye out for Mila's mom. She's bound to be one, or she's at Asaveras. If she's been on screen, my money is on Lena.

While I fully agree that it is not the end of the road and more updates can improve in this foundation. I am left to wonder how well it can feasible be, at least if Ocean insist in some plotlines. William as the last heir of his family as a example. Maybe he has a good enough reasons but I can't understand why it would be this end world event if Willia fucked Leia or Kate, is not like they are not fucking other people, só why this match is só problematic ? At the same time that groping Helen tits is not a problem, Helen is still marriage and Dylan is the head of the family, even if Helen effectively runs it.

There are more, much more, that creates the sense of things not fitting as it should be, but going forward those are the more proeminent one. Why William and Leia are so valuable assets if their family were wipe out and why William can't fuck them. Those two things need not only to make sense but be as well incorporated in the story as the incest was or things will always feel a little off. And those things are more easy said than done.

I'm not going to have a comprehensive view of how it works, but think the man in the iron mask. Why does anyone lock a figure away to be forgotten? William's family is to be forgotten. That was the outcome of that past feud, but William survived. Helen probably had to argue hard considering the Guiseppes were involved in the feud (details of who Willi's family enemies are, are hazy). The Zanes probably had strict conditions put on them in order to save him from the bath tub/ditch.

I don't know what Ocean's thinking for Willi's conditions, I'm just guessing. He is on probabtion, if he goes beyond the behaviour they set, he gets judged, and likely exiled, or executed. The powerful families don't want rivals, and we probably should assume that the Grimaldis and Pedersolis were trying to make moves on the bigger families to increase their influence, take out rivals. In that sense, Willi's being treated strictly. The behaviour Ocean's shown isn't consistent though, or the explanation. He really needs to clear it up.

And something can be an asset because it can be used as leverage, not because it's valuable in itself.

 

[yossa999]

is there any patch for incest
i dont like the mob thing

No, but there are a lot other games with incest out of the box and without a mob thing.

 

[sorco2003]

At the moment the mole could be anyone. It depends on with direction the story will go.



I mean, I acceppet them. It just goes against the others informations the story provides me. William can not suck Katke tittes but can grope Helen honkers.

Precisely what I said, Helen can, Katie can't.

But still he is seem as valuable enough asset to me spared as a child

enough is the key word here.

 

[Maccabbee]

For it to make any sense, you first have to accept facts that you wouldn't otherwise accept. Helen is free to do as she pleases because, as you rightly say, she is the one who runs the business and is de facto the head of the “family”... she can do as she pleases, and having lovers is all too common; you have to see it as medieval nobility.
And continuing with the pacts of disbelief, accepting that, at least until now, Katie and Leia are tokens, and that their value lay in being bargaining chips, but even more so, accepting that William was the impediment, since he could not provide anything beneficial, without a royal family and marked by misfortune.

Katie is intentionally distancing herself from the crime drama, and is going into the fashion world. That's why she's a non-entity. If she had been inclined to the crime side of life she may have been a power in the family already, but then William would not be.

Leia is pushing for more, but she's unstable, and had to be committed and hospitalized. Organized crime does not look trustingly with those who have that in their past. Al Capone was a made man before Syphilis started eating his brain, and by the time he was sent to Chicago from Brooklyn, he was already going crazy. He was a member of one of the most violent families back in NY then, and they couldn't handle him.

William being a de facto heir may well be because of all this, and why Helen is willing to kill a judge (risking war with the other families) to keep him. Not all of it needs to be kinky reasons.

 

[demonking69:(]

No, but there are a lot other games with incest out of the box and without a mob thing.

haha u being funny ??
i just asked if there is a patch

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I mean, I acceppet them. It just goes against the others informations the story provides me. William can not suck Katke tittes but can grope Helen honkers.

Look at it this way Helen is the one who has to enforce the law so you are harder to punish if you break the law with her

I like this take. Helens not on speaking terms with some, Dylan the others.

Helen not on speaking terms with anyone

 

[UncleFappy]

Why not Emilio? It can be any one of them. Also, remember that Emilio and Riri forced Leia's hand - she wasn't going to call Willi about Helen at all. That was just her excuse. Emilio and Riri got her to get Willi back. They have their reasons, but who ARE they to have their own reasons? The other thing about the bibi's - keep an eye out for Mila's mom. She's bound to be one, or she's at Asaveras. If she's been on screen, my money is on Lena.

I'm taking their "Leia was getting too unstable" reason at face value for now.

But Emilio being the mole would be interesting. The only counterpoint I have to that is that if he was the mole, he would have informed Agent Retard about Miru. William's girlfriend suddenly starts shadowing him and jumping headfirst into the crime game? Definitely would have reported her existence to the Feds. Agent Retard dismissing Miru as a nobody who doesn't matter goes against the idea of Emilio being the mole, imo.

But hey, Emilio could have his own agenda, or he's working for someone else. Doesn't have to be the Feds. Who knows. I personally think he's actually loyal to Leia and was just worried about her, so he and Riri pushed for William's return.

EDIT: There is also how Agent Sexy finds the timing of William's return suspicious, because of the confluence of events taking place. Emilio pushed for William's return, and if he was the mole, he was doing that under Fed orders or on his own and would have reported his reasonings to the Feds. Their ignorance regarding why William returned in another point towards Emilio not being the Fed mole.