VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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kazeiheikaya

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Sometimes I wish f95 uploaders just left in the last update date just so I could keep track of games and how long their update cycles tend to be
like:

Thread Updated: 2025-07-04
Release Date: 2025-07-04
Update Prior: <insert old date left behind>

That being said, anyone remember when the last update prior to this one was? Think it was january/feb right? Maybe even longer, too many things blend in my head. If anyone knows for sure tho, would appreciate ya <3
 
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jadepaladin

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MrRiouso said:
what do you mean, rewrite the entire episode 4? just change or add the dialogue where necessary
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Did you play chapter 4? You need a rewrite to make incest work now.

Will had parents, killed.
Leia had different parents, killed.
Both were taken in by the Zanes as form of war tribute but never legally adopted (also implied that Helen was involved in their deaths?)
Thus, Will, Leia, and Katie no longer share any sort of familial link other than "lived under same roof."
Will still ran off like a bitch after getting involved with Leia, which is now due some unspoken mafia rule being broken instead of just plain "Whoops I like my sister and don't want mom to find out."

It's not good, it is messy. Definitely incoherent imo and gives Ocean way too much creative freedom to just make shit up as he goes in the future. That said, it's what we have currently. You want incest, you better get to working on some fan fiction.
 
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Turret said:
Well, from a writer´s standpoint this is an unmitigated disaster! I am just a hobby writer, but if I delivered such a load of rubbish bin content, my readers would flay me alive - and rightly so! The characterisations have gone of the rail, events not fitting any longer, stupidity all around.
I still cannot get over the fact that Ocean tries to sell us Willi cares about the "family" enough to return. Helen is ar least partly (currently unclear if she ordered it directly) responsible for the death of William´s parents, he knows about and later on Helen abandoned him in prison and even glated about it. And now Ocean wants us to believe he returns to Wollust because Helen became mute?o_O(n)

Ocean is obviously telling us: I made a rewrite which is an offer the fans cannot refuse! (Godfather theme plays in the background)

The correct answer to this is easy.
Diana Burnwood: Welcome to Wollust, 47! I hope the flight was enjoyable. Your targets this time are...
This video is extremly fitting and a legend. Watch it.
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1. William was already going to return after a few months, but was stopped due to circumstances he found himself in (in the new update), he got a reason to return when Leia called.
2. We don't know who was behind his parents demise, may be the "judges" and the Zanes might have been out of loop to this (only time will tell).
3. Also we don't know what they talked on the phone call William was given while in jail. He might not have even mentioned where he is. Even if he did Helen may have told him not to return to protect him, as William has to face the "judges" now (only time will tell).
4. Yes he could have done a better job with the mafia thing.
We don't know what dev is planned for all these storylines, give it time, he may surprise us or disappoint. Critize when they are bad, not when unfinished.
 
Dr.TSoni

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ad3pk said:
3. Also we don't know what they talked on the phone call William was given while in jail. He might not have even mentioned where he is. Even if he did Helen may have told him not to return to protect him, as William has to face the "judges" now (only time will tell).
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The feds specify that Helen went to meet him while he was serving his sentence
 
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BobTheDuck

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Turret said:
Helen is ar least partly (currently unclear if she ordered it directly) responsible for the death of William´s parents
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Where did you get that from? I thought it was clear the bad blood was between the Guiseppes and the Grimaldis/Pedersolis. Scarlet mentions the fact that it was because of a few good people that William and Leia weren't drowned. I don't recall anywhere where it was said that the Zanes were responsible. Because if they did, you're right, it wouldn't make any sense.
 
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BobTheDuck said:
Where did you get that from? I thought it was clear the bad blood was between the Guiseppes and the Grimaldis/Pedersolis. Scarlet mentions the fact that it was because of a few good people that William and Leia weren't drowned. I don't recall anywhere where it was said that the Zanes were responsible. Because if they did, you're right, it wouldn't make any sense.
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Yes, it was never said in the game. People just create reasons to hate.
 
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Dr.TSoni

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ad3pk said:
As I said it may have been to protect him from the "judges", we don't know the reason. Let Ocean give us one, then criticize it.
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From Helen's reaction to the mention of "I still remember what you said to me the last time we saw each other" which is undoubtedly the prison visit, they did not part on amicable terms.
Otherwise instead of "you belong here" she would have opted for "I was protecting you"
 
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MrRiouso said:
creating an incest patch for this game won't be easy, but someone will have to create it
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I'm not sure someone will, because having played the entire game again with this update, there isn't any incest involved anymore. The story's changed and evolved with bigger background which, only after playing the whole game again, convinced me that it makes sense now.

What you're asking is changing the entire story of the game, just just a few relationships. You might aswell be playing another game with the same character models at that point.
 
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Wow, excellent update. Entertained me for hours.
A lot of good stuff on it, now we have a better picture of the story and its very good.
Ocean even made me like and want more development with characters i didnt like that much previously.
Miru is my 1st place, but damn, Kate really took the spotlight on this update. Leia amazing as always and even Zoey that i was not much into her was very good.
The story and flow were very good, got me hooked the entire update.
I wonder how Monica will react to everything on the next update when she sees everything and is put into work, and i wonder how MC will impact on her decisions.
Cant wait for the next update.
 
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So the story is what it is now hard to understand over a year and this is what he came up with this vn still looks great but looks only go so far
 
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BobTheDuck

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Kappa Zappa said:
So no NTR included in this update? :(
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Sort of. If you're into her I guess it counts - Leia jerks off a guy in a glory hole infront of you But I wish it wasn't warned. It's already at the start of the game, shouldn't need a second warnign people can just turn it off at the start.
 
Maccabbee

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Dr.TSoni said:
It is never presented as a rule of Helen, but something imposed by Giuseppe and his associates; since William points out that if they were to know, he would be done for.


All this
What kind of Boss depends on men loyal to his subordinate, especially a power-hungry subordinate like Leia.
From what we've seen it makes no sense that Donna Helen and her "family" weren't wiped out long ago.


No Bob, no
Everything is fine but not Helen
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You're forgetting quite a bit of what we've discovered (and how it expanded on what we knew from before CH4.

The family split into three: Tony (who isn't talking to his brother) and the sister (who's name I forget, but it starts with a J, and who doesn't talk to Helen). MC's leaving dealt a huge blow to the family's prestige as well. Their main enforcers were Uncle Fred's MC gang that's been dispersed since he was sent to jail. There's apparently been losses in battles with Krayts and other families. The Wollust Zanes are at a low ebb and are laying low until Fred gets out in a couple of weeks, and they can rebuild their base.

Helen is only the deFacto boss. Dylan is the Zane, and official head of the family (in Wollust, at least). Helen just has the balls.

Leia is fucking everything up for them by doing her own thing and attracting a lot of attention. She is NOT doing this as a Zane thing, it's her own thing, and she's taking over Fred's business to do it. It looks like Emilio and Rinny are hers, and not Joes, and they've both been describes as fanatically loyal to her. She may be trying to re-establish her old family (in this new iteration) or maybe she is trying to just be independent, while being part of the Zanes. Time will tell.
 
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