VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[The Pugs]

The original Katie's looks like someone hurt her emotionally perfect for the Revenge theme
The new Katie looks like she has hope, i blame the eyes. but still like it!

 

[dstarfire]

Well no offence to Cheeky but if the ugly and unnecessary Katie rework is going to be pushed through then i won't be supporting the game anymore. Definitely not the outcome i was expecting when i became a patreon.

That's fine. I'll keep supporting them and enjoy the change. As long as they don't do a DAST-style restart and toss out all the story progress so far, I'll be happy.

Even the DAST (Dr. Amana, Sexual Therapist) restart only took a month and a half or so to reach and surpass the original story.

 

[Ennoch]

Well no offence to Cheeky but if the ugly and unnecessary Katie rework is going to be pushed through then i won't be supporting the game anymore. Definitely not the outcome i was expecting when i became a patreon.

I couldn't see a difference at the first two glance. After that i noticed she got a nice little bellybutton instead of the weird crack, a more noticable collar bone (every normal human being has such) and that her belly muscles are more present (like on every single normal human being who is slim, in a good shape, who wears a bikini). Her face is the same just with more details and obviously she got a lamp shoved into it. But otherwise they could be twins. And now i'm curious how can you call one half of twins a godess while the other an ugly one. Please explain.

 

[CheekyGimp]

That's fine. I'll keep supporting them and enjoy the change. As long as they don't do a DAST-style restart and toss out all the story progress so far, I'll be happy.

Even the DAST (Dr. Amana, Sexual Therapist) restart only took a month and a half or so to reach and surpass the original story.

There won't be any storyline re-dos or changes. If I ever get a chance to make any changes to the previous script, the only thing I'd consider is extending the timelines a bit, i.e. keep ALL scenes exactly as is and in the same order, but just have it take place over a slightly longer period of time, as I think I packed too much into each individual day. Currently MC hasn't even been in the house a week. I think it would be better if the same content was spread over a few extra days, with a couple of "later that day" or "the following afternoon" transitions, rather than straight from scene to scene. But even for that, I have no immediate plans to go back and re-do, it's just a thought!

 

[AnonVT]

Wow I hate everyone besides Monica, Katie and her friends. How did the dev manage this feat?

 

[Skylaroo]

Wow I hate everyone besides Monica, Katie and her friends. How did the dev manage this feat?

Wow someone hates everyone besides Monica, Katie and her friends. How did you manage this feat?

 

[Hadgar]

I'm not a fan of Katie, perhaps this character is my coolest thing. But I will support the fans of the old version. We love the characters of this game as they are, with no improvements. I guess the fans will eventually love the new version. Striving to make your project better is very good. The main thing is not to lose the unique atmosphere that won our hearts. It seems to me that with the new Katie one of the most important principles of the game is partially lost - the lack of idealization the appearance of the characters.

 

[Skylaroo]

Reading some of these comments about people disliking the new Katie look makes me realize I pay more attention to the story and interaction rather than the character's specific look.

 

[Ennoch]

the most important principles of the game is partially lost - the lack of idealization the appearance of the characters.

I'd say that you are presenting a connection between two things that aren't related to enhance the importance of the latter by dramatising it with the former. A slight change of a single character simply doesn't fill up such a big pair of shoes as this game isn't about a single character's appearance.

But in those cases when it is, well, allow me to be pragmatic. I'd assume the game isn't ment for those who are obsessing over a single character throwing a passive-aggresive tantrum for the slightets of change. Their loss, while unfortunate, is acceptable. I'd wager that they represent an irrelevant minority and even if the Dev communicates this in a more polite way then i do the result will be the same in the end.

In my understanding, this project isn't a dedicated waifu simulator and if this realization, that manifests itself in the form of character appearance change, is an issue to some.. well, its their own personal social problem. This VN isn't medication or a drug and the Dev is free to do whatever he wants with it. (The not-a-drug part is arguable)

 

[Ignatz]

As a previous poster mentioned, I think what makes Katie...Katie, is the banter and interaction with the MC.

She's the only girl that isn't doe-eyed over the MC, this despite obvious attraction to him. The playfulness and implied resistance is a nice counterpoint to the other ladies in the game. One could say Jenna has similar resistance, but hers is more related to overall shyness and naivete than flat-out rejection (she may not even have realized how she feels about the MC yet).

I don't see the changes to Katie's face all that significant. Again, it's why I suggested a less extreme look than originally proposed (well compromised, Conviction). And the toning of the body made sense to me, since she's a workout rat.

But, the dialogue is and likely will always stay cheeky (yes, double meaning intended), and THAT is truly "our" Katie.

Or so I think. And, yes, I'm a story many first, too.

 

[kabraly]

I wonder if most people would even notice any difference if Cheeky and his team updated Katie without saying anything. If it was a drastic change I would understand this type of reaction but the changes are so subtle.
Well it only shows that people are invested in this game and that is a good sign for the dev.

 

[Ignatz]

That they are, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind more investments!

 

[kabraly]

If he keeps up the quality, I'm sure it will happen. :closedtongue:

 

[Hominusnocturnal]

I'm slightly don't care bout the change of Katie, as long as the Dev keep her naughty ,,,

 

[Maou-sama Kei]

I made a post few pages back saying the game is fucking awesome, last night I finished it, and I agree with my previous statement. I've been reading up a bit and I see the fuss about Katie and her new looks. In my opinion I have to agree with @

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post on page 125. He said he likes the body, but the changes to the Face were too much, and I have to agree with him. Impression I got from Katie she's a sexy tomboy. She'd beat up other girls who made fun of Jenna, always fighting with MC (Wrestling), cursing like a sailor (I think Bella said it) and a Gym girl. Changes to the body can be easily translated to MC coming back, she working out with him, tanning etc, basically improved her looks a bit for him, since he got back and that's fine, but I still think the Face should remain in the old version as it has more realistic feel to the character. Katie works up a sweat, not put on make up and face cream and all that girls stuff.

I hope the Devs don't take it the wrong way, since the possible change made us all come here and comment on it, means that we really enjoy the game and we simply want what's best for it, just like you. Don't be discouraged to make a changes or feel bad about it. It just means you made such a fine character the first time, we fell in love with it.

 

[CheekyGimp]

I made a post few pages back saying the game is fucking awesome, last night I finished it, and I agree with my previous statement. I've been reading up a bit and I see the fuss about Katie and her new looks. In my opinion I have to agree with @

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post on page 125. He said he likes the body, but the changes to the Face were too much, and I have to agree with him. Impression I got from Katie she's a sexy tomboy. She'd beat up other girls who made fun of Jenna, always fighting with MC (Wrestling), cursing like a sailor (I think Bella said it) and a Gym girl. Changes to the body can be easily translated to MC coming back, she working out with him, tanning etc, basically improved her looks a bit for him, since he got back and that's fine, but I still think the Face should remain in the old version as it has more realistic feel to the character. Katie works up a sweat, not put on make up and face cream and all that girls stuff.

I hope the Devs don't take it the wrong way, since the possible change made us all come here and comment on it, means that we really enjoy the game and we simply want what's best for it, just like you. Don't be discouraged to make a changes or feel bad about it. It just means you made such a fine character the first time, we fell in love with it.

Glad you like the game. The comments from Zero919 you mention were based on an initial proposal for Katie which were more significant and which weren't implemented.

 

[Dreadder]

Hmm, I always find it interesting and rather disappointing when debate about one's preference turns into trying to enforce one's view. Sadly it seems to be quite a common phenomenon.

As I said earlier, I personally prefer Katie's eyebrows the way they were before but, as many before me pointed out, her character is what makes her Katie we all love, so quitting the game due to such minor thing seems to me, well, rather childish to put it mildly. One could almost compare it to ditching your girlfriend because she changed her hairstyle.

That being said, if you don't like the change, you of course have all the right to stop your financial support, it's the need to proclaim that publicly and the reason behind it that ...amuses me.

 

[Deleted member 795684]

Do you plan to improve other characters' appereance or for now will it be just Katie?

About the matter, I was not extremely dissapointed with the final look. But when I saw last version -even though she is still my smartass love- I felt like she lost the ''innocence'' in her face and now she looks like more seductive than innocent and I don't like it so much unfortunately.

I will still follow it of course and I can't wait the party but yeah, I am sad a little.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Just one technical request to you @CheekyGimp and @Conviction07 :

When you do the rework on Jenna, please make her wear the right kind of glasses. Until now she was wearing reading glasses aka "granny glasses" for the farsighted, while her age suggests and the story confirms that she is in fact nearsighted.
For anyone wondering about how do I know what she has been wearing - reading glasses, the glasses with positive numbers are making things look bigger - including the eyes and parts of the face around the eyes of the wearer. This is exactly how Jenna's glasses have been magnifying her eyes and face width where it's visible.
Glasses with negative numbers are for the nearsighted and they make things look smaller, including the eyes and facial features of the wearer.

This controversy has been bugging me from the beginning. She's a young girl, but her eyes look like she could be a granny. Not because of the age, but because of the strong "granny glasses" magnifying her eyes.

 

[Hadgar]

Out of all the women, Katie's appearence was the one that needed changed the least...these 2 however need it drastically.

In the bonfire this heretic!!!
Satan possessed his soul. No mercy!