damnaltf4

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Can't even start a new game. I can get to the menu (but going to the music montage also gets me a rollback screen).

This is what I get when I click new game (reload brings me back to a rollback screen too):

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in script
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:
File "game/script.rpy", line 520, in <module>
if persistent.ph_advstart_ep >= 2:
TypeError: '>=' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
I managed to start over by loading an old save from the beginning of the game
 

Hungover00

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I'm in chapter ~3 or so, and I absolutely hate the landlady/mother and the neighbour. Do they get better as the story progresses? Because between desperate and clingy, and bullying perv, they aren't appealing.

The sisters seem fine. The twin is bitchy, but 80/20 fun bitchy.
 

Hungover00

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There's no "landlady/mother" in this game. MC's mother has been dead for a very long time.
It's not designed around hiding incest behind "landlady" and "roommate" euphamisms.
Dead mom's best friend then. Both fill a maternal role, same with the daughters sharing very similar dynamics to siblings.

I don't care either way, it just seems to be ubiquitous, like the whole step-brother/sister genre of video.

But the meat of what I was saying is that Monica and Zarah come off as very abrasive and annoying characters at the beginning of the game, and I don't know if those dynamics soften or change, or if it's core to the game and story.
 

Snugglepuff

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Dead mom's best friend then.
Here's the short and easy version... Monica. Easy to remember.

Both fill a maternal role, same with the daughters sharing very similar dynamics to siblings.

I don't care either way, it just seems to be ubiquitous, like the whole step-brother/sister genre of video.
Except it's not like "step-bro/sis/mom" porn at all.
Hell, the incest mod has to rewrite entire portions of the story, as well as character backstories, due to elements relating to Monica, MC's mother, his father (and father's girlfriend Elaine and his father's will and the potential inheritors), just to turn it into incest.
 

Hungover00

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Here's the short and easy version... Monica. Easy to remember.



Except it's not like "step-bro/sis/mom" porn at all.
Hell, the incest mod has to rewrite entire portions of the story, as well as character backstories, due to elements relating to Monica, MC's mother, his father (and father's girlfriend Elaine and his father's will and the potential inheritors), just to turn it into incest.
Do Monica and Zarah's personalities stay the same, or change over the game?

Just asking again because you skipped over my previous comment "But the meat of what I was saying is that Monica and Zarah come off as very abrasive and annoying characters at the beginning of the game, and I don't know if those dynamics soften or change, or if it's core to the game and story. "
 

Hungover00

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Their personalities stay the same, you just get to know the full range of their personality.

The same goes for all the characters... Including some surprises (slightly cliched for a couple) that the MC and others didn't expect.
Cheers, thanks for answering.

I may have to go in shorter bursts. They don't quite click for me straight off the bat, but maybe that eases. Though I'm seeing in some of the reviews other people don't like certain forced scenes/relationships either. But it's also one of the longest and most popular games in the community.
 

Rob229

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May be worth bearing in mind that the less interest you show in Monica/Zarah, the less time you spend with them later on (in Zarah's case, you can reduce it to hardly any time after about Chapter 4). Plus they go from being 2 out of 4 other characters to 2 out of about 15.
 
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Abhai

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And why would it be toned down?
yeah, funny enough.
almost no one complains about "little" jenna being thrown left and right upon poor mc, and all that with her "shy, innocent nerd" look.
on the other hand mature ladies/milfs are considered as overly aggressive menace and enforced:BootyTime:
 

dolfe67

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And why would it be toned down?
From a dev's post:
Lastly, regarding Monica and her new (re-do) dress. Some people voiced concerns that Monica looks a little sluttier in this dress and are worried that we are going to change her from her more "shy/reserved" character to a more open/slutty character in the re-do. This is not correct, so please don't worry. If anything, she will be a little more restrained as the original version she came on a little strong regarding affection, etc. so there will be more options to rebuff her and she won't be as pushy as original Monica. But that's just a few minor tweaks to correct some items in the first few scenes where players who weren't interested in Monica (God forbid!) felt that she was a little overbearing.. Overall, she will be pretty much the exact same character. And there is a reason why she is wearing the more revealing dress. All will be revealed (forgive the horrible pun) when you play the re-do.
 
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Oriandu

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Wait, people thought Monica was pushy? I seem to recall being frustrated by how long it took for her storyline to get anywhere. For a while she was pretty much the president and CEO of Cock Tease Corp, she wasn't pushy at all.
 
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felicemastronzo

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Wait, people thought Monica was pushy? I seem to recall being frustrated by how long it took for her storyline to get anywhere. For a while she was pretty much the president and CEO of Cock Tease Corp, she wasn't pushy at all.
Let's say she is awkwardly, perhaps unconsciously, but she is. Like when she keeps having wardrobe problems, or when she wants to check MC's package
 
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